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Home » Flight tickets » KLM not happy with Thai staff on Norwegian Air aircraft
KLM not happy with Thai staff on Norwegian Air aircraft
KLM wants the European Commission to ban low-cost carrier Norwegian Air from flying between Europe and the US with cheap Thai personnel. According to KLM CEO Pieter Elbers, thousands of jobs are at stake.
Price fighter Norwegian wants to fly between London and the US with staff from Thailand that has been hired through a company from Singapore. The airline has applied for a license for this in Ireland. Thanks to this ingenious construction, Norwegian spends much less money on personnel costs than airlines with European personnel and they can stunt with the prices of airline tickets.
KLM wants this construction banned. Air France and Lufthansa feel the same way and also want a ban through the EU.
The fear is that if Norwegian is allowed to deploy Thai personnel, other airlines will soon follow suit. That would be at the expense of employment in Europe.
The US will not give Norwegian a license to fly with Thai personnel for the time being. KLM, Air France and Lufthansa ask the EU to do the same.
KLM does not want anything at all. They just have to repeat what Air France tells them.
Whether KLM has something to say is not important to me in this context. What should be of concern is not whether staff from low-wage countries are deployed, but why that cheap seat and a cold bite or that paid drink appears to be more attractive than a more expensive seat and service on board.
Provide a faster boarding service, more luggage, an inch more legroom for that additional price and then you get the low-cost boys out of the air. And if you don't, keep your mouth shut.
On long flights (including Bangkok) you can already have 23 kilos + 12 kilos of luggage, which is already 8 kilos more than Eva BVB, also a second suitcase is only about 80 € per single journey as an additional cost, a very affordable option….. so no complaints about that at KLM !!
Doesn't KLM also employ employees from China and a few other countries?
When I was still working as a flight attendant at Lufthansa, there was a great fear that this company would take the same path. Substantial savings were and are now being made on personnel costs through the use of local personnel. In addition to Thais, Lufthansa also employs Chinese, Koreans, Indians and Japanese.
The biggest reason is of course that more money comes in this way.
The first four save on personnel costs. They are low wage countries and the staff are paid according to the standards of their home country.
For the Japanese it was traditionally the other way around. Japan has always been an expensive country and a Japanese colleague was paid more than a Western colleague, simply because of the costs in the home country. The reason, however, was because we always had a lot of Japanese guests, who had special wishes. This is a little less, but still true. However, the Japanese colleagues no longer live in Japan, since a number of years they have had to live near Frankfurt and receive German salaries.
There are between two and three regional colleagues per flight. No more. The number may be higher on an A380, but it won't be more than one person.
Workshops have not been lost. No one was fired as a result. On the contrary. Our company expanded, bought more planes and needed more staff.
I have always enjoyed working with my foreign colleagues. I much preferred this to a purely “German” crew (a “German” crew also often consisted of different nationalities: I have already experienced flights on which there was only one German!
It will be wrong if the entire crew is employed by foreign hired personnel. This will not easily happen with a KLM, Air France or Lufthansa. The standards are too high for that. The training is internal. The safety training is also internal. You could hire staff, but they must be well trained. Fortunately, the law ensures that this is not allowed.
“The biggest reason is of course that more money comes in this way.”
Oh, I always thought it was to provide more service to travelers from those countries. Handy for a Korean, Chinese or Japanese person when there is someone in the cabin, with whom they can communicate in their own language and who also announces in their own language that we are about to land.
Naturally, the foreign personnel simply receive the internal training.
Samee, that was probably meant to be sarcastic… I don't think anyone would be so naive as to provide a better service because airlines are such charitable and altruistic institutions.
If it weren't for such unfair competition from some Middle Eastern airlines, who are heavily supported by their governments, it would all be more relaxed and (yes, unfortunately it is) the tickets would be a lot more expensive.
I can still remember the time when a half full plane still brought in enough money. Those were good times. A ticket to Bangkok then also cost almost 2000 DM or Gulden…
I think that every flight from Belgium or the Netherlands (just to give an example) should have multilingual staff on board. I often saw Thai travelers on Etihad flights who barely speak English. That is a big problem in an emergency. Good communication is a requirement for extra security. Flights from Belgium to Thailand, directly or indirectly, should therefore have English-speaking, French-speaking, Dutch-speaking and Thai staff on board. From the Netherlands, this should be Dutch-speaking, English-speaking and Thai personnel. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, this is never taken into account. However “safety first”.
If one wants to hire cheap personnel from low-wage countries, the travel industry is precisely the one in which this is best possible. If one wants to ban this from “Europe”, one must also ban European cruise companies from working with mainly Asian employees. I don't see this happening any time soon. By flagging out the fleet, this can easily be solved if necessary.
Editorial,
Your letter does not mention an important other argument for flying with Thai personnel. In some Asian countries, especially in Thailand, kindness and caring are of paramount importance. Furthermore, there is an enormous willingness to focus on tasks in the so-called 'hospitality' profession. There are a few special training institutes in Thailand, the most important of which are in Bangkok and Hua-Hin. Our daughter studied at Dusit Suan University for the aircraft industry. Although she went on to study hospitality in the hotel industry in India, many of her friends and classmates went on to work as starwardess or ground staff for many different airlines. For example Emirates. Despite the headscarf that goes with the uniform, all highly skilled people are allowed to work there. In this case, it is not even about having to pay lower wages. But primary is the higher professionalism and service.
Further. KLM has a reputation to uphold, but good service and helpfulness can be found there at First and Business class. But in economy class it would be comparable to an Indian company. Like one Robert always closed his writings. “Fly Indian airways, we threaten you as cattle”.
Incidentally, comparisons do not only apply to personnel. Fewer seats are placed in all Asian aircraft than in European ones. That in itself is very remarkable, since the European is often rather large and tall, while the Asian is slim and small. In other words. Also in terms of legroom, the Asians are also ahead in the fierce competition in the aviation industry, where the Europeans are even starting to think about transporting people standing up and toilet use should be paid for.
Wim
Will jobs cost? It actually creates more jobs.
Instead of one dehydrated grumpy KLM stewardess, you now get two sweet Thai stewardesses who give you a friendly smile.
Is Norwegian Airlines already flying from AMS to BKK?
I have emailed and had a chat message with this low cost Norwegian, I will see Bangkok Amsterdam BV on January 25, 2015, but did not receive an answer when A'dam Bangkok said to advise checking the internet regularly. So I have not become much wiser.
The strange thing is that there are flights from BNGK to Amsterdam
I think KLM and associates do have a point. The consumer naturally wants nothing more than to fly as cheaply as possible, but the world would be too small if all employees in Europe were replaced by cheap personnel from low-wage countries. Then it's over with our nice incomes. See if companies still want to use people from low-wage countries if there is no one left who can use these services because people can no longer afford them. So KLM is absolutely right.
Does anyone still fly with Air France/KLM or with Lufthansa? We flew to Singapore with LH 5 years ago and then we vowed never to do that again. The reasons have already been mentioned above, namely customer friendliness and space, and that also applies to all Western mines. We are simply 'over the top' in the West and that will only get worse. More and more expensive less and less value for money!
Why it is not allowed to work with a "cheaper" crew is curious.
This also happens in other industries, for example Romanian truck drivers.
Whether that makes the plane ticket cheaper, I dare to doubt.
The airline will need it to compete.
Sincerely,
Lodewijk
Wouldn't it just be due to the service that klm loses out to thai and chinese staff? And what has happened to it already enough, just went to new castle for a weekend, nothing but phillippine staff on board and former eastern bloc. And what about clothes! And so on, just give me china airlines or eva.
It seems discriminatory to me to talk about cheap cabin crew, like Thai, Chinese, and more countries from Asia, I've been flying with Thai Airways from Madrid to Bangkok and Chiangmai for years, you can't get better service, the staff do their best to make it as pleasant as possible during the flight and come by regularly to bring something around, may the western airlines take an example. greetings Pascal.
Why KLM is complaining about this here at the EU is a mystery to me. Let them do something with the reactions the customers give to their review.
We flew with KLM for the last time 2 years ago. Tickets were ± € 1000 pp. Received an email from KLM to assess the outward and return flight. Have given my comments on the flight. KLM's response was: ASSESSMENT REFUSED. No further response received from KLM.
As a Dutchman, I am ashamed that our “national pride” treats their (foreign) customers in this way.
On our return flight 50 Dutch people and for the rest foreigners (people from England, Norway, Sweden and Denmark)
What Samee and Aad write was also addressed in my review. Waitresses in the service also want such a generous salary.
Little service and high costs for transport. They always look at someone else and never at their own organization. There is still a lot to improve at KLM.
WHAT short-sighted and shellfish those NL people are.
PERFECT that the cost of personnel goes down !!!
GOOD example leads to good follow. At work KLM
AND…… that cabin crew has an eye, time and real attention for the customer. And don't think yourself more important than the customer.......
From many travel experiences with both companies.
KhunBram.
Often flown with KLM to Asia, China, Korea, Japan, Malaysia,
With 2 or 3 flight attendants from the country we flew to,
These ladies are fantastic, what a correct service, and then the senior purser,
What a disinterested purser, no this is not an advertisement for KLM,
Often reported through a review, the committee handling this I think throw the
Reviews with negative points,in the shredder,,
Now fly with Asian airline just fine,
Fri Gr han
Rather let KLM worry about itself by providing better service and more +better seat space
Also handle complaints seriously instead of saying nothing
Am happy with Asian service!!
As in many other sectors, there are discussions about foreign employees in the Netherlands. So I think KLM can discuss that. Yesterday, according to aviation news.nl, there was a parliamentary debate about KLM. Questions like; Can the government stop Emirates at Schiphol and take over Etihad and Delta KLM/Air France were answered by the Secretary of State. The importance of many Dutch jobs is something that politicians take into account in their decisions. Personally, I would like it if KLM managed to win back our Dutch people through quality, service and a top image at a decent price. We Dutch people fly with foreign companies and the non-Dutch people are back on a KLM flight because it is cheaper. There are also many positive reactions to KLM's product on flight experience sites.
Hello jack,
If anyone wants to know the quality of an airline, check out airlinequality.com and the comments.