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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Return journey to the Netherlands and insurance
Dear readers,
I live in Chiang Mai, but I am registered in NL. I pay my health insurance there, and I have additional travel insurance, FBTO Reis Perfect Polis.
My question now is, when you travel out and come back to Thailand, there is talk about a (mandatory?) insurance of 100k US$, is my travel insurance sufficient, or do I have to take out a 3rd insurance policy, if so, where?
Regards,
Glass
I assume that you have insured medical costs on your travel insurance? Most travel insurers offer cover at cost price, so there is no limit for medical costs abroad (check your policy conditions). The best thing to do is ask your travel insurer for an English-language insurance statement. There they can then bet that you are insured for > 100k Euro.
In this case it is an FBTO travel insurance. The FBTO itself writes that the treatment of corona is included in the basic package of health insurance, and that is with every Dutch health insurer. The travel expenses insurance is there for the extra medical costs on top of the basic insurance. Then the question is who should issue the insurance statement, I think the health insurer because it falls under the basic health insurance and perhaps also the travel insurer (you should have 2 statements). And I wonder if you can get a statement from the health insurer in English that states the reimbursement amounts because you are insured for amounts according to the Dutch reimbursement system and no amounts are mentioned
Also pay attention to how long the term of the insurance is with a travel insurance policy, at FBTO you can take or have a term of up to 365 days or 180 days or a shorter period.
https://www.fbto.nl/zorgverzekering/berichten/coronavirus-zorgverzekering
https://www.poliswijzer.nl/nieuws/het-coronavirus-biedt-de-zorgverzekering-dekking
Peter / Klaas,
that's right.
I am also insured with FBTO for medical expenses in kind, ie the prices in the Netherlands, with a long stay clause.
The travel insurance provides a supplement if the medical costs are also insured. Is only a few Euri so do it; seems double but that's how it works with insurance...
Depending on the necessity, permission must be requested in advance, otherwise you will not be reimbursed for everything. Last year, we received an English statement that all medical costs are reimbursed:
I had asked that because last year there was already the threat that you needed it for a visa extension. Not so.
I was admitted 2 x during the lock-down in Chiang Mai Bangkok Hospital with fairly serious complaints (no corona). Total over THB 600.000. I just had to draw. Everything else arranged between FBTO and hospital administration.
If they do ask for the explanation, it's no problem, just send a message to FBTO/EuroCross.
Check whether this applies to code orange (negative travel advice) otherwise you will still be screwed.
As long as I was caged they couldn't refuse by force majeure. I'm curious how it will go in the future. I actually have to go back to NL because of the 4 month rule, but I don't know if I can go back to my Thai family (not married). I also don't have a house in my name (yet); Bought but not ready yet so no registration due to Covid.
Regards,
Thick
Also think that you have to take into account the fact that you are not allowed to live outside NL for a full year if you are registered there. Otherwise, the health insurance will expire, I was told.
Think that you have to indicate a period in advance that you will be staying abroad and they may be able to provide an explanation for that period.
My health insurance DSW makes an exception in connection with Corona.
Take out travel insurance with medical coverage.
There are a few things at play:
a: 8 months scheme:
after 8 months of residence abroad, one must deregister from the municipal BRP;
one can also expect a response from the Tax and Customs Administration and the health insurer;
(In that case, healthcare costs must be insured elsewhere: foreign insurer or expat insurance).
In this (force majeure) situation, dispensation for a longer stay abroad can be requested from the municipality; it is ultimately up to them to determine, in consultation, how long you can postpone your return to the Netherlands.
b: basic insurance:
this applies to a maximum of 1 year of foreign residence;
to remain insured, you must be able to submit a WLZ statement to the health insurer immediately afterwards; a WLZ study must be requested from the SVB
c: a travel insurance policy can have different terms;
for example half a year or 1 year continuously;
travel insurance companies, to my information, claim health insurance back from the health insurance company;
however, if you stay abroad for longer than the permitted period, the travel insurer may no longer be able to claim the medical expenses from the health insurer.
Will they still pay out?
Back to NL will work.. but afterwards back to Thailand????
Very difficult: https://www.facebook.com/groups/551797439092744
Some health insurers only allow you to be out of the country for 6 consecutive months.
The law says that if you have not lived in the Netherlands for longer than 8 months, you can be automatically deregistered with all the consequences that entails.
(they have to
We just experienced it with a Dutchman who died, was in Thailand for 184 days, already had a ticket for returning to the Netherlands, but was previously in hospital, health insurance said casually, you can only be 180 from the Netherlands and therefore did not pay, despite the return journey ticket and only 4 days overdue.
So be on your guard.
8 months = about 240 days and not 184. You mean he was 4 days over 240 days
Isn't Dutch health insurance confused here (as in some other responses) with travel insurance (with medical coverage) with or without worldwide coverage?
For the latter, it is wise to read the policy conditions carefully, preferably before taking out. Expat insurance is often a suitable solution for longer trips. Well, here it is explained: https://www.expatverzekering.nl/ziektekosten
Dutch health insurance is in principle compulsory for everyone living in the Netherlands. Then you pay a premium and sometimes you receive a healthcare allowance. But that insurance never covers costs outside the European Union.
Whether you live in the Netherlands is a factual question, although registration with the municipality will usually be leading. When someone must unsubscribe is described here: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/privacy-en-persoonsgegevens/vraag-en-antwoord/uitschrijven-basisregistratie-personen
As a result of an address investigation, someone can also be deregistered ex officio: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/privacy-en-persoonsgegevens/adresfraude
Such a deregistration then only has consequences for the Dutch health insurance (and the obligation to pay premium).
Whether this deregistration also has consequences for the (usually private) travel insurance can be found in the policy conditions. This can differ per insurer.
'But that insurance never covers costs outside the European Union', you write, but I don't think that 'never' is correct. My health insurance covers necessary medical costs up to a maximum of the reimbursement that would be paid in NL. My travel insurance covers any difference if the price is higher elsewhere than in the EU.
If you search via Google, you will immediately know that this has not been correct since January 1, 2017.
Dear Prawo,
That may apply to people who have been deregistered from the BRP, but what Cornelis (July 8, 244 at 1:2020 PM) writes applies to people who have been staying outside the EU for less than 17 months (49 days) and are therefore allowed to remain registered. Otherwise I would not have been insured during my travels for the last 8½ years.
I remember that a few years ago there was a debate and vote in parliament on the coverage of healthcare costs outside the EU for BRP subscribers. Fortunately, the proposal to abolish coverage outside the EU did not receive a majority in parliament at the time.
Just consulted Google:
The national government, yes the one of the rules and laws, publishes the following:
If you go on holiday abroad, you will remain insured for care. Everyone who has Dutch health insurance has worldwide coverage. Sometimes your health insurance does not or not fully cover some costs. You may need additional insurance or travel insurance.
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/zorgverzekering/vraag-en-antwoord/hoe-ben-ik-voor-zorg-verzekerd-als-ik-op-vakantie-ben-in-het-buitenland#:~:text=Als%20u%20op%20vakantie%20gaat,aanvullende%20verzekering%20of%20reisverzekering%20nodig.
If you have information other than the person responsible for the health insurance, please tell us where you read this on Google.
also check out the following link
https://www.consumentenbond.nl/zorgverzekering/buitenland
or in the link of the care guide
https://www.zorgwijzer.nl/faq/zorgverzekering-buitenland
No Prawo, your statement is incorrect. Just searched on Google for you (unnecessary as far as I'm concerned because my policy conditions are clear on this point)
'How am I insured for healthcare when I'm on holiday abroad?
If you go on holiday abroad, you will remain insured for care. Everyone who has Dutch health insurance has worldwide coverage. Sometimes your health insurance does not or not fully cover some costs. You may need additional insurance or travel insurance.'
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/zorgverzekering/vraag-en-antwoord/hoe-ben-ik-voor-zorg-verzekerd-als-ik-op-vakantie-ben-in-het-buitenland
There was indeed a proposal to cancel this MIV of 2017, but that has not happened:
'The world travelers among us can breathe a sigh of relief. After all, healthcare costs outside Europe will continue to be reimbursed within the basic package of 2017. The Minister of Health, Edith Schippers, planned to abolish this in 2017, but decided against it.'
https://www.consumind.nl/nieuws/zorgkosten-buiten-europa-blijven-vergoed
You are right. The change planned for 2017 did not take place.
The Dutch basic insurance does indeed still cover certain medical costs worldwide.
But don't count yourself rich: it must concern emergency care during a short stay (no longer than a year) that cannot be postponed until you return to the Netherlands. If someone wants to undergo pre-planned treatment abroad, different rules apply.
Please inquire with your own health insurer. This is what DSW says about care abroad: https://www.dsw.nl/Consumenten/vergoeding/buitenland
I don't think that will differ much for other health insurers.
The Dutch health insurance covers costs worldwide and also the costs that are common in the Netherlands. You could then additionally insure the excess with the help of a travel insurance with medical cover. The latter also reimburse the deductible that you consume because of the costs incurred abroad.
This has not been the case for three and a half years and saves 60 million euros on an annual basis.
Incorrect, Prawo, see my comment above.
Beats. My apologies. See my additional comment above.
I am also insured with the FBTO. Have submitted to FBTO the requirement of Thailand that you must provide proof upon entry into Thailand. So that you are insured for at least $ 100.000 and against all costs of a possible infection of COVID 19. I received this proof in the form of a letter in English guaranteeing all this. This is covered by your health insurance, so not by your travel insurance. This proof can be requested from the FBTO about two weeks before you go on holiday.