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Home » Reader question » Reader question: What have AOW pensioners in Thailand arranged for their partner in the event of their death?
Reader question: What have AOW pensioners in Thailand arranged for their partner in the event of their death?
Dear readers,
I regularly read on this blog the stories about people with (only) an AOW who live together in Thailand or are married to a Thai(se). After all, an AOW is personal and cannot be inherited or transferred.
I wonder the following: what have they arranged for that partner if they die before their partner? After all, in many cases that partner is many years younger than them.
Have you taken out insurance and which one? Bought (and paid off) a house or land? Or are they not concerned about that at all? I'm dead after all! Do they not know what to do with it themselves and try to arrange everything? So what?
Do they think the Netherlands will solve it? (there is no social contract between NL and Thailand).
With kind regards,
Ko
I am helping the family to build a specialty store in Dutch fish .
We are all happy about that.
It also gives them confidence for the future as they see me teaching them how to promote the cause and overcome unexpected difficulties.
I also learn from them how to deal with connections here.
Sometimes I do stupid things out of ignorance.
Together makes strong.
All in all, we do not lose money to pickpockets with certain insurance policies, but it actually yields something.
They now know how to deal with my Dutch connections where they can buy the best quality Herring and how to do it.
Now, after less than a year, our products are available in large parts of Thailand.
hi pim,
what do you sell, where are you located and what does the herring cost?
Furthermore, can the Thai partner and her family continue the business after you are no longer available? if you walk away they can go on, because that's their daily bad feeling they have from being dependent on a farang! if you leave, their whole life falls apart and gnaws at them every day. as your partner gets older there is almost no opportunity for her to get money and that is a danger for the whole family. if the case is well arranged it is tops and if there is a danger to the aforementioned with case and all, it only benefits you that you can live for free (from the income of the shop) and give you more comfort than her. however, I know many cases of the latter and that is sad. there are also good cases so i would say the guarantee for the partner is the most important and the benevolence of the farang to understand that.
regards skippy.
Skippy.
My response is for general, otherwise it's chatting.
Pan herring, buddy herring, plaice fillet and gourmet is present at the moment.
Sizes is of course the biggest demand for .
Because the Thb has become less valuable, we sometimes have to adjust the price, so I can never give 1 exact price for it at the moment.
Partly due to the hassle of air fares and quality approval papers by the government.
Because getting this here legally has a story attached to it.
At the moment, just after having delivered an order for Phuket, I am sitting on a chair in front of my PC again to arrange the next order from Hua Hin to Pattaya.
By being the family's teacher, they have a good future with a growing turnover.
To be honest they can't do without me and I can't do without them.
We have been in a relationship for more than 10 years and now my girlfriend's son will join us soon
to teach him the profession due to great success, we, my girlfriend, daughter and I need each other.
Her daughter has had my last name for years at her request.
in the meantime she also went through the (Thai) university at my expense, just like mother, so that's also good if things go wrong, they have a chance of a good job.
Just to be sure , my little palace is not in their name yet .
For the rest we share everything, that's our advantage.
Certainly I see things happening too much around me.
It's sad in many cases.
I see that as a common lesson, these have also happened to me too much, my girlfriend was the saving angel.
That makes us so strong together.
Sorry if I got a little lost with the story.
It has been a piece of life lesson that I now put into practice as a young elderly person.
Palace not yet in their name? I thought that besides a condo you couldn't buy anything in your name as an expat?
Moderator: Your comment has nothing to do with the reader's question.
Jan why do you say that Pim's reaction has nothing to do with the reader's question? Ko asks what people do to support their partner financially after they die? Pim says that he has set up a shop to provide his partner with financial resources when he dies and his state pension ends. Nothing wrong with that I guess? I'm just asking if that shop can actually be continued if he disappeared before or after his death.
regards skippy.
Dear Ko,
Instead of giving my girlfriend 5.000 Baht in cash every month, I now pay this amount monthly to the Krungthai bank for a life insurance policy in my name. As soon as I die, she will receive 650.000 Baht. This amount is guaranteed for 10 years! So if I am unexpectedly called to “higher tasks” tomorrow, she will already receive this amount, despite the fact that I have only had that insurance for a few months. After 10 years of life and having paid a premium (10x12x5000 = 600.000 Baht), the premium continues as usual, but the payment is increased to 1.000.000 Baht.
This system is better (in my opinion) than just putting the money in a savings account, or investing it in gold.
Good idea, I gay arrange this tomorrow at krungthai bank, thanks for the tip!
On the basis of the figures that you mention here, this is certainly a good idea.
Can you briefly mention some details, e.g. is there a maximum age to sign up – (exaggerating a bit) but suppose I am 85 am I still eligible, do I have to undergo a medical examination, etc..
Hopefully they won't be shocked when they see all those 70-80 year old farangs invade their offices tomorrow 🙂
robbi, how old are you now, because i don't think that applies to all ages.
I think it's a wonderful idea.
I have increased my dela benefit nicely, only they steal a considerable amount because you are staying in Thailand.
but your idea is the solution provided the age before closing does not play a major role.
I am 75 years old but in good health.
Do you happen to know what the final age is to take out such a life insurance policy?
hello crane
@Kranuan and @Ronny,
I just checked with the Krungthai Bank: the last opportunity to take out this life insurance policy is at the age of 70. This is therefore no longer possible from the age of 71. Insurance policies, once taken out, will continue until the age of 99. SOMETIMES a medical examination is required. I am now 67 years old, an examination was not necessary for me. I had to declare that I had been living in Thailand for 2 years…(?). As if that would be useful information ;-).
@Kranuan: the DELA only reimburses (also in Thailand) the costs of a cremation or burial. So your girlfriend will never receive a living allowance from the DELA or anything like that.
Dear Ko,
This is of course a very good subject, I myself live with my girlfriend and her two kids in Laksi (Bangkok) and have often wondered how to solve this.
She bought a house and I paid for it, that's how it is in Thailand. The house has been completely refurbished to Western standards and looks good and will not require any special maintenance in the coming years.
So when I'm gone, she and the kids can live "for free", but the running ATM will have disappeared.
She will therefore have to pay for electricity/water, food, clothing and school fees herself.
The kids now go to an expensive private school (St. John) and will of course have to get rid of it.
I myself encourage her to do "something" to get money.
She had rented a market stall, but stopped because the taxi was more expensive (picking up and delivering goods every day, you can't leave anything on the market at night) than the proceeds.
I had already calculated this in advance, but hey Thai,
She has now started a “restaurant” in the front garden, she wants to but does not know how.
I myself do not really know a source of income, everything is already available in Thailand.
If anyone has an idea, I'd love to hear it, because I think it's important that they and the kids have a good life when I'm gone. After all, all three of them are taking good care of me now.
Greetings Nico
Seems like a good option, Robbie's life insurance policy.
Can also cynically refer to the Pattaya balcony suicides.
Whether or not with the help of alcohol or a spouse who wants a payout.
But in such a situation, of course, the insurance will not pay out.
However, be convinced that in an honest relationship this rarely happens.
So don't take this comment seriously or personally.
Investing in gold is quite interesting.
But in some households that usually happens in the very short term,
to buy it back a month later at high interest.
And that is not the intention.
I personally went for land with a new house.
So that my friend would certainly not be left without something after my death.
However, the latter recently passed away from a short illness, was 39.
Now the house belongs to his family, and fortunately, can stay there as long as desired.
Even measure a possible new partner. Such Thai families certainly exist.
But that's how it can be.
At the time, I opted for a partner's pension for part of my pension contributions. That will yield about 30 baht per month after my death. There are (more than) 800 thousand baht in the bank for the visa extension. Land and house yield a considerable amount when sold.
If you are only in Thailand with an AOW, a solution like @Robbie's is recommended.
Would there indeed be people who think that the Netherlands will provide a solution, and if so, why? What does the Dutch taxpayer have to do with the fact that someone abroad is looking for and finding a new partner?
We received a message from the Zuidertoren Brussels pension fund that my wife receives her survivor's pension like any other widow in Belgium. I worked for 42 calendar years and therefore certainly paid my contribution for this social achievement to the Belgian state.
My wife will also receive a survivor's pension for the rest of her life, so her future is financially secured. She has Belgian and Thai nationality, but that does not matter.
As my wife, she is also my only heir because there are no children.
I think my partner won't have any problems, I hope
I (we) have 3 grand in joint accounts at the bank. Our house stands on her
name as well as the car. 'Further different rice fields etc in her native village 35 km
inland. She is not entitled to a pension or anything like that
Gerrit
I would like to warn the editors about the pseudo name of Lowy Cremers.
Jan happiness is 1 of them so watch out, because he regularly writes a NEGATIVE piece about you.
Good luck and I hope that this name will also be removed and he will no longer be allowed access to this block
We know who Jan is lucky. As long as someone adheres to the house rules, he can respond. This also applies to Jan Geluk.
Jan GeluL I'm not going to talk about it.
That is off topic.
This is about the one who survives.
There are also men with Happiness who have managed to say that according to his stories he does not have to worry about the future.
His Thai wife arranged all that for him .
There are also such women in Thailand, as long as your story is good towards her.
It is strange why you try to gain attention again under a different name .
I have received written confirmation from the Zuidertoren that a Thai woman (I had this translated into Thai), she receives a survivor's pension, receives approx.
There is a big difference between the Dutch AOW and the Belgian survivor's pension.
In the latter case, it is mainly the Belgian legislator that guarantees an income for the widow.
That amount is indeed linked to the professional career of the deceased man, and the compensation accordingly reflects this.
Do not forget, however, that after the death of their husbands, these ladies usually have to rely on their children or family for their social life and contacts. A Thai cannot live alone, that is both culturally and gene-bound. Which in turn means that money from that survivor's pension is sponsored to the children or family. Don't get me wrong, or don't get me wrong. Don't blame the Thai widow here. It is beautiful in Thai culture that the family stands up for each other. However, there is a financial obligation attached to that, that's just how it goes. The strong takes care of the weak. Our social security system does that, in Asia it is completely different.
Whether the Thai widow is a rich lady, I leave in the middle. She will mainly be approached financially by her family with her 'inherited' pension benefit. After all, those who have money almost have the maintenance obligation for those who are financially weak.
Again, think that in itself is beautiful. But it also means, if you are unlucky enough to have money, you also have the responsibility for the ups and downs of the family and the responsibility to help out financially.
So a rich madam of a survivor's pension, on paper maybe. But in reality not. She gets the headaches for free.
But dear Gerad, you should be glad to know that your wife certainly has financial rights. And that is heartily granted. She will not go short in that area, but the complainant has more and more questions to ask.
Would have liked to know or read here whether the Netherlands knows or has known such a system.
If one is dead and you have done the necessary to make the survivor reasonably secure financially either through a widow's pension in the case of the Belgian system, or another system and the beneficiary is not smart about it for whatever cultural reason you have done your best and can it not be solved under any system of security …..depends on the nature of the person and you don't have to turn in your grave …
I think this survivor insurance gives a higher payment monthly and the premium is too
even lower, and paid out Internationally.
It is cheaper than the Krung Thai bank insurance mentioned above.
They also have life insurance policies, if one prefers a one-time payment to monthly.
The premium and the monthly payment can be calculated here:
http://www.laagsteprovisie.nl/page/overlijdensrisicoverzekering/taf+nabestaandenplan/
TAF Personal Surviving Relative Insurance
3.1 Cover in the event of death applies anywhere in the world,
under any circumstances, with
observance of the provisions elsewhere in the policy and the
general terms and conditions of insurance
Nice wording that Article 3.1.
We pay out anytime, anywhere,
except for everything we don't want to pay out.
Although I am not yet a state pensioner , I still have to wait 5 years until I turn 66 .
Thanks to the current Dutch government.
I have a good Thai wife and two lovely stepchildren.
They both have a good job and are completely independent in their income .
After my death they inherit everything I own .
I have no problem with that at all.
My spouse and I, both together, have built up quite a lot over the years here in Thailand.
Which in any case already represents a lot of value in the event of a sale.
As for my funds.
I arranged that a few years ago, after the death of my mother.
I then changed my will on the advice of a notary, at a notary office in Holland.
Aow after my death, my wife is not entitled to that.
It will certainly stop if I reach the age of 66 afterwards , and then die .
My company pension built up over the years, however, will be passed on to my husband, which is also a nice amount to be able to live on in Thailand.
Jan Beute.
@Janbeute,
Interesting what you say about the company pension. Would that also apply in my case?
As a single person in the Netherlands, I built up a pension with ING and later married my Thai wife in the Netherlands. Would she be entitled to a survivor's pension after my death?
Thanks for your reply!
When did you get married? Contact your former employer you will need to provide paperwork and she is entitled to a survivor's pension over the years you have been married.
Take a good look at the papers you should have stated that you are married. Get to work on it right away this is important know something about it worked for a pension fund for 40 years.
There is only 1 agency that can give you an answer that will help you.
The ING.
It has to do with your age NOW and former commitments.!
I am also a veteran of ING and always get a correct answer when I have a question.
Pension for my girlfriend is not included. That goes to my EX.
Therefore, save up and possibly buy real estate and/or land in her name.
Gerrit
Hi Richard J.
Simple answer , contact your pension fund .
They will certainly be able to tell you the whole story .
Good luck Jan Beute.
Please note that the AOW will start later. For example, your company pension will commence on 1 June 2014 AOW in August for the months of June and July you will receive a lower retirement pension because you are supposedly under 65 years of age. If you give up everything afterwards, a discount may be applied.
So watch out, otherwise you'll get the tax authorities. Questions I'd love to hear it.
House, etc. is nice, but you can't eat it (unless you tax it with a mortgage and then “eat up” the house). In addition to housing, people also need living money.
Possible solution = single premium policy (annual additional deposit possible) with a reliable NL institution; if there is sufficient income, the deposit may be deductible from taxes through annual fiscal space, etc. So tax pays a little. The higher the income, the greater the benefit.
Beneficiaries in the policy: a lot is possible here. For example: include yourself as the first beneficiary, your partner as the 2nd beneficiary, then possibly other heirs.
The Tax and Customs Administration indicates that this is fiscally possible; after the death of the 1st beneficiary, the 2nd beneficiary receives a payment in the form of a long-term annuity, which is taxed in the Netherlands, after which the net amount can be transferred abroad (preferably opening an account in the Netherlands in the beneficiary's name, from where automatic transfer to beneficiary abroad).
Should serious problems arise in the relationship, one can remove the beneficiary's name from the existing policy or appoint someone else as beneficiary.
So a flexible solution, because for example, a house donated to (and in the name of) an unreliable partner cannot be quickly sold (unless one wants to leave it behind as a reward for many good memories).
My partner is Thai and lives in Thailand, but we were married in the Netherlands. He receives his share of the AOW from the SVB and after my death my pensions from ABP and OHRA. So everything is arranged only by getting married in the Netherlands; at least according to the authorities above.
of course he will receive the survivor's pension after your death (after your retirement age). If you have arranged this with ABP and OHRA, this is no problem. (You even receive an annual overview every year with what you and your partner will receive after your death) And for every year that he has lived in the Netherlands, he will receive 2% AOW. (I think there is a minimum of 5 years attached though). You only build up an AOW pension by living in the Netherlands, not by getting married there.
What does my wife inherit once I go into the barbeque?
She inherits my HAPPINESS, humor, my honesty, my business spirit. Since she has been and still is very self-supporting, she will manage without me. She has covered herself with 2 houses of her own. One house belongs to a good Dutch friend rented out and then she has rented out 2 more apartments (Rooms).
Add to that her commercial spirit, she undertakes all kinds of things. The only thing she will miss when I am no longer here is having breakfast together early in the morning and Skyping with her daughter, who always includes me.
Furthermore, she can take my savings from the bank, although I won't make her rich, she always says she will laugh with me all her life and that is worth more than all the money in the world.
I met one of the richest women in Udonthani, one with guts, enterprise and mutual respect for her partner.
And if you are both healthy then you are really rich.