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Home » News from the Netherlands and Belgium » The EU is going to check visa applicants more strictly
Foreigners who want to apply for a visa for the Schengen area, for example for a tourist visit, will soon be screened even more thoroughly. The EU wants to use this to limit security and migration risks.
The Visa Information System (VIS) will be expanded for this purpose. In addition to the details of applicants for a Short Stay Visa, the details of an application for a long stay are also included. Copies of travel documents of all applicants are now in the VIS, which is also accessible to asylum and investigative services.
According to EU Commissioner Dmitris Avramopoulos of migration, Europe is not becoming a fortress, but he wants to know who crosses European borders: "Criminals and potential terrorists must not enter Europe unnoticed."
In 2016, nearly fourteen million visas were granted to visit the countries in the Schengen zone.
Source: europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-3741_en.htm
All very well, but then I also hope that the information system also works 'the other way'. It would be nice if the finishing went a little easier and faster for the Thai who have already received several Schengen visas, have been to Europe regularly and have always adhered to the rules. But it won't…
It won't get smoother or easier, unfortunately.
And for this reason:
1. Foreigners who do not require a visa (non-European) also largely have to adhere to exactly the same requirements. An American or Malaysian (both not subject to a visa requirement), for example, must also be able to demonstrate at the border what the purpose of their trip is, that they will have accommodation, that the trip is affordable, that they have adequate travel insurance and that they will return on time. to leave. Without a visa requirement, this does of course save you some hassle (costs, time) in advance.
2. Some Member States are resistant, for example the Netherlands was a strong supporter of relaxation and so was the European Commission, but other Member States are more difficult in certain areas. They are already uncomfortable with the idea of issuing an MEV as standard and automatically with each application - unless there is a well-founded objection to this in an individual case - for a longer period of time (e.g. 1 year, then 2 years, then 5 years, etc.). ). Or just look at the visa processing, where Belgium is known for setting higher standards for a European who brings a Thai partner over for a holiday. See my annual 'visa issuance under the microscope' pieces (an update for 2017 is 95% ready, I hope to post next week).
3. The asylum wave of 2012-2015 did not exactly boost positive feelings. Citizens and governments are now calling even louder to keep out potentially undesirable people. The aspects of recording a copy of the passport (so that you cannot throw away your passport after arriving in Europe and say that you come from a war zone even if that is not the case) are an example of this. And the regular, screened foreigner is apparently also potentially a risk, so record everyone who lives in Europe on a residence permit - even if you have been living here for 10 years - in a database. Yet another reason to naturalize as a foreigner, then you will be freed from the IND/DVZ forever and soon also from the VIS database. A government that sees you as a potential criminal and wants to keep a close eye on you with more databases, etc. is not really a pleasant idea.
Nothing has actually come of previously announced relaxations/flexibilization: https://www.thailandblog.nl/nieuws-uit-thailand/europa-soepeler-regels-schengenvisum/
“Criminals and potential terrorists must not enter Europe unnoticed”
Pfffff… aren't you a little late with that?
Better late than never. Looking away and doing nothing is much worse. Unfortunately, not all of us can look at the crystal ball yet. The mustard comes after the meal. You see what is currently happening in Indonesia with those suicide bombers who share this with their children. Completely unexpected actions, beyond anyone's surprise. How should you deal with this again? Actions are often taken afterwards, due to many rules and negative surprises. Furthermore, I think that Rob.V's comment makes a lot clear. The good must suffer because of the evil, it was so, it is so and it will remain so. Moreover, among the fortune seekers and real war victims who ask for asylum, there are very few people who go crazy and become terrorists. Almost everyone who committed attacks had lived in the EU country for much longer or was even born there. You also see this phenomenon taking place in America and the danger comes from the Americans themselves. One hundred percent certainty cannot be offered when it comes to safety.
As long as there is no red cross next to your name, we will hardly notice it, I think. 2 weeks ago with a visa application via VFS Global for a Thai girlfriend between appointment in soi 13 and receiving the visa 6 days. Excellent service and no problem even though it was the first time. May also be said.
What system will be devised for the NON-VISA APPLICANTS (read criminals) who still cross European borders unhindered and travel through the Schengen area to plant bombs and stab people?
Even reports are ignored, such as in The Hague, where another 3 people were unnecessarily stabbed!
The Thais are already stripped naked when applying for a visa, should check a little more in Southern Europe and thus keep the scum out and welcome the tourists.
Don't feel welcomed with open arms in Schengen as a Thai
The Thai must show the same papers as, for example, the Chinese. That is indeed a bit arranged for off, but now again no higher mathematics. And, for example, an American fortunately does not have to apply for a visa in advance, but has to do practically the same things at the border: sufficient resources, accommodation, purpose of travel, no risk of illegality, etc. Although the KMar will not be able to screen all visa-free travelers or assess risks equally for all groups.
The biggest stumbling block often remains making it plausible that the foreign national will return in time. In about 97% of the cases, Thais are granted the visa. Once at the border, a handful of Thais are still refused entry (Belgium not a single Thai and the Netherlands about 5 per year).
Top 10 Visa Applications 2017:
Country – applications 2017 – rejected %
1. Russia 3.885.899 – 1,4%
2 China 2.533.905 – 3,3%
3. Turkey 971.710 – 6,5%
4. India 920.699 – 8,5%
5. Algeria 779.152 – 35,9%
6. Ukraine 720.976 – 3,7%
7. Belarus 715.433 – 0,3%
8. Morocco 614.432 – 15,3%
9. Saudi Arabia 334.786 – 5,4%
10. THAILAND 304.054 – 3,1%
Source: https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/visa-policy#stats
But that, for example, the forms could be simpler, yes, completely agree. And especially with follow-up applications, it must be easy: fewer papers, MEV visa for several years, etc. The Orange Carpet / Orange Carpet policy responds to this, but there is certainly no room for improvement. But the Thai are certainly not unwelcome. However, with some simplifications it could become a warmer policy.
I hope that within about 10 years the visa requirement can be lifted. Pretty much all of South America is visa free so why not Thailand? Then the country will have to resemble Malaysia, Japan, Singapore, etc. socio-economically.
If a Thai who previously received a Schengen visa is going to apply for one again, it is smart not only to request multiple entry (something that can simply be indicated on the visa application form) but also that the sponsor encloses a note with the request that the visa be valid for several years.
If the sponsor lives in Thailand with the Thai partner, I would certainly refer to the so-called “orange carpet policy” in that note.
In all cases, mention the previously granted visas, even if this could be apparent from the VIS.
RSO Asia issues an MEV in 97 to 99,9 of the cases. It would also gradually be valid for an increasingly longer period with each subsequent Schengen visa. But asking specifically for this and in particular arguing in an accompanying letter why the MEV should be multiannual is a good idea. I also write that in the Schengen file. In the worst case, the RSO will ignore the request, but otherwise it will play no part in the assessment.
We read little about the orange carpet policy. When every embassy still had its own website, there was an Orange Carpet / Oranje Loper page with the visa info, but not on the netherlandsandyou page:
https://www.netherlandsandyou.nl/travel-and-residence/visas-for-the-netherlands/applying-for-a-short-stay-schengen-visa/thailand
With some searching you will come across this, but it is not in the spotlight:
https://www.netherlandsandyou.nl/travel-and-residence/visas-for-the-netherlands/orange-carpet-visa/thailand
It now seems mainly focused on business travel:
Who can use the Orange Carpet Visa Facility?
The Orange Carpet facility is mainly for staff of companies with current or future economic interests in the Netherlands. But the same conditions and benefits can also apply to other types of organizations (cultural, scientific, government) and individual travellers
According to the internal instructions (HBBZ, Foreign Affairs Handbook of Business Operations), “Frequent travelers” also fall under the policy: “Frequent/well-known travelers are not only business people, but also family members, etc. who have used previous (Western) visas correctly”
But “depending on the local situation, the mission itself must assess whether and to what extent the target group can be facilitated.”
Possible facilities under Orange Carpet:
– Issuing multi-year MEV
– Waiving personal appearance/submission by courier or messenger.
– Fewer supporting documents with the application
– Separate opening hours for submission of application
– Drop off service (for example by post or in the mailbox at the embassy)
– Accelerated release
- ...
Reading your piece, this occurred to me and I thought it was worth mentioning why we should keep checking, because there is still a lot wrong in the world in this area.
Years ago, my old employer (foreigners police), in collaboration with the IND, investigated a company in the Netherlands that brought a lot of potential African business partners to the Netherlands. On an annual basis, about 1000 business men and or women with visas and it turned out that about 750 had disappeared with the northern sun. So they entered the EU (the Netherlands) and apparently with different intentions and certainly not with the aim of going back. But yes we can't do without business people so what would it be the credo of many. Unfortunately, the company could not be tackled legally because excuses and stories often yield results.
Incidentally, since the transfer of the review from Bangkok to Kuala Lumpur, bureaucracy has only increased. People have since wanted to see English (or NL, FR, GER) translations of Thai supporting documents. And from 2015 it has become stricter: incomplete files are rejected. The RSO wrote to me last year:
“In 2015, it was decided to be less lenient with missing documents in a visa application. The basic principle here is that the applicant must be aware of the conditions for a visa application. (see websites and checklist that the applicant must complete).” And “It is up to the applicant to provide documents requested for the intended purpose of travel in one of the languages mentioned. It is also up to the applicant which documents or parts thereof are translated. It goes without saying that this must be carried out by a sworn translator, because the documents represent a certain value in the file and therefore must be reliable to a certain extent.”
In my own words:
The reason that the number of rejections has increased in the last few years is not because Thai people are targeting it, but because of stricter policies regarding the 'paperwork'. Logical from a bureaucratic point of view, but it has not become any easier for travelers.
So the question is whether this can be done with fewer papers, especially for frequent, proven bona fide travellers? This is good for travelers and the Dutch economy.
Multiple entry is standard….we asked for single and got multy. The rest, well, a good story is of course a good plan and also gives the decision officer some clarity. He also only sees what he receives and really does not sleep on it. It is usually about the feeling about the whole and we in the Netherlands cannot complain if you look at the figures.
The fact that multiple entry has been standard for some time does not help someone who comes from far away, because what good is being allowed to make multiple trips if your visa is only valid for 90 days and you mainly want to travel to and from the Netherlands from your own country.
Such a visa is then only usable if you would also like to make trips to new EU member states that are not yet members of Schengen. Think of Cyprus, Croatia, Bulgaria and Romania. Not only are you visa-free for those member states, you can also use it to return to the Schengen area.
So in response to the fact that EVERY year 30,000 unregistered aliens walk across our border and then apply for asylum, the answer is: We are going to check all legal applications even more strictly.
How much crazier do you want it? Something must finally be done about the illegal immigration, lock Europe, send boats back, and if that is not possible then do what Switzerland, France, Austria have been doing for a long time: close their own borders. If suddenly an Irritreer walks in Groningenstad, he didn't come via a hot air balloon….
Every year? Asylum figures fluctuate considerably from year to year. We have just passed a period with high asylum figures, but 30.000 a year is nonsense. 20.000 walk-ins (1st applicants) per year since 2014 is closer to the truth:
In the period 2014-2017, the Netherlands had a total of 96.300 applications, of which 63.590 were granted. Adding family reunification (49.135) gives you 120.000 people (asylum status holders) over the past 5 years. That is below the line 24.000 per year.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/flipvandyke/status/991189063020503040
If you want to dive in, here's some reading:
http://www.flipvandyke.nl/2017/03/80-daling-aantal-verblijfsvergunningen-voor-asielzoekers-en-nareizigers-in-2016/
Incidentally, the European internal borders cannot be closed unless you put a fence/wall along the entire (NL) border and set up barriers at all border crossings and on the beach with 100% control. Europe takes a more convenient approach to this: external border surveillance with Frontex, etc. However, I would like it if Europe were to achieve a better/fairer distribution of asylum seekers. Think of a distribution key based on surface area, inhabitants, GNP, etc.
Incidentally, the Netherlands is only a mid-engine within Europe if you look at the number of people who come knocking here: https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2016/02/02/dit-zijn-de-feiten-over-asielzoekers-in-nederland-a1405200#vraag2
Outrageous!! After all the uncontrolled admission of so-called refugees! We are ruled by a bunch of lunatics with the alcoholic junker at the helm.
Everyone has the right to a procedure with sufficient guarantees.
I think that many people fail to make the distinction between asylum migration and regular migration.
The procedure is different for an asylum seeker than for a regular foreign national.
So if there is also a difference between access and allow.
A refugee is in principle an “admitted refugee”. Everyone else is asylum seekers, each with his or her own reasons. Not everyone from the latter group is admitted. The question then is how (and when) you can get rid of it if the application is not granted. But you cannot put that problem on the plate of the EU (or its president).
What too many people like Jan van Marle do is compare apples with oranges.
This topic is about (the control of) regular visa applicants. Let's stick to that too.
Incidentally, I have an update of the Schengen file ready, just a few more dots on the i and then I can send it to the editors this weekend (?). If there is any feedback or requests for the file, I would like to hear it, so that I can make improvements at the last minute.
If you would like to e-mail me the draft of that update (via info {at} prawo . nl) I would like to shed some light on it.
What's your deadline?
Incidentally, your previous Schengen file is already an excellent piece and must have been a lot of work.
The link is on my home page as a tip, in the block “Visa for the Netherlands” in the second column.
Links to that homepage: schengenvisum.startpagina.nl and (shorter) schengenvisum.eu
Thanks for the compliment Prawo. I don't have a specific deadline. I will email you tonight or tomorrow at the latest. The most important changes are an update of empty amounts and some more clarity about the guarantor/accommodation form at various guarantor/accommodation providers.
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs also talks about 'one passport photo' instead of 2 passport photos. I've corrected that, but I'm considering reverting it. A 2nd photo as a reserve can do no harm and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not make it clear whether by 'a photo' they mean the photo that goes on the Schengen application form (top right) or separately (next to the one you submit with the form). Literally taken the instructions, 1 passport photo is sufficient.
At first I also thought I had a sentence about subsidized objections, but that is not the case. Otherwise I would have deleted that due to the expiration of this subsidy.
It remains strange that, for example, Dutch people immediately receive a 30-day “tourist visa” upon arrival in Thailand, while Thais who want to visit the Netherlands have to wriggle around and incur costs before they get a tourist visa. And if they also live outside Bangkok (for example in Chiangmai), then they also have to "just" go up and down to Bangkok (700 km vv).
In addition to an application form, they even have to sign an accompanying manual (who comes up with such a thing !!). And if the application is rejected, they will also lose the money (fees + plane ticket + hotel).
You don't stop criminals by making it more difficult, because they don't go through official routes. You do stop tourists.
People don't have to buy plane tickets yet (something that embassies also clearly communicate).
A reservation is also sufficient for accommodation. If someone goes to a referent, there will usually be no hotel at all.
Both can be canceled easily and often free of charge if the visa application is rejected. In that respect, the costs are still not too bad.
I don't mention sites (that could be seen as advertising) but on my links page http://www.schengenvisum.eu there are useful links in the block “Prepare your trip”.
You have indeed lost the fees, but if you object to a rejection (always do it on time is my advice!) you will in any case no longer have to pay it.
Unfortunately, not all Schengen posts take it so closely with the rules as laid down in the Visa Code.
Example:
Spain is a notorious offender: disregard for Union law, disregard for allowing people to submit an application at the embassy in a timely manner (pushing an external service provider down their throats) and thus requesting a hotel booking for the entire stay ("Hotel bookings for the entire duration of stay”) and also a plane ticket (“Flight bookings, Departure from Thailand and come back to Thailand”).
Source: https://thailand.blsspainvisa.com/tourist.php
Most people will not know any better and will easily follow the instructions, even if it causes them large costs that could have been avoided. Those who do know the rules can, of course, call on Solvit and share their experiences with EU Home Affairs ( JUST-CITIZENSHIP {at} ec.europa.eu ). In the hope that Spain will receive a slap on the wrist for misconduct.
Fortunately, in Belgium and the Netherlands you can make do with a (cancellable!) booking via, for example, booking.com and flight reservation. You should also get the travel insurance costs back from the insurer if the visa is rejected. Then the costs remain limited.
The biggest stumbling point remains the sometimes unclear forms and the number you have to drag along. Traveling to BKK for an application is of course not a low threshold if you live 800 km away…
I can sympathize with stricter control from the EU, but would like to see relaxation/flexibility on other fronts (such as standard issuing of multi-year MEV to people who are proven bona fide). But it would be nice if Brussels also checks the member states more strictly to ensure that they are complying with the rules and tackles violations/abuses efficiently!
People don't have to buy plane tickets yet (something that embassies also clearly communicate).
A reservation is also sufficient for accommodation. If someone goes to a referent, there will usually be no hotel at all.
Both can be canceled easily and often free of charge if the visa application is rejected. In that respect, the costs are still not too bad.
I don't mention sites (that could be seen as advertising) but on my links page http://www.schengenvisum.eu there are useful links in the block “Prepare your trip”.
You have indeed lost the fees, but if you object to a rejection (always do it on time is my advice!) you will in any case no longer have to pay it.