Fewer visa applications for the Netherlands
Annual report IND
The annual report of the IND (Immigration and Naturalization Service) shows that last year considerably fewer applications were submitted for a Short Stay Visa and an MVV.
In 2010, the IND received 3.350 regular applications for a Short Stay Visa. Last year this number dropped to 2.400.
Schengen visa
A Short Stay Visa, also known as a tourist visa or Schengen visa, is necessary when a tourist wants to visit the Netherlands and comes from a country that requires a visa. Visa-requiring countries include China, Egypt, Indonesia, Morocco, Russia, Suriname, Thailand and Turkey.
A foreign tourist can get a visa for up to 90 days and this gives access to the entire Schengen area. The most common reasons for a visa application are family or partner visits.
Dutch embassy
A visa application is handled at the Dutch embassy in the country of origin. A visa application can be rejected if there is a risk of settlement. A person requiring a visa can appeal against a rejection.
MVV applications also decreased
In 2011, the number of applications for a provisional residence permit (MVV) also decreased, as did the number of decisions on these applications. A total of 32.450 MVV applications were granted.
An Authorization for Provisional Residence (MVV) is an entry visa for residence in the Netherlands and is also valid for other Schengen countries.
- The main purposes of residence for which an MVV is applied for are.
- Working in the Netherlands (this usually also requires a work permit).
- Studying in the Netherlands.
- Living in the Netherlands with a Dutch partner (family formation or family reunification).
More information: Annual report IND
Source: www.reisverzekeringblog.nl
Logical: the visa requirement has been abolished for a number of countries.
because it is also a mess, was in BKK at the consulate with my girlfriend, had given me a guarantee and still refused, because she did not have her own house and no permanent job, we live together in my house, there was a danger that she would not would return to Thailand (no economic connection with the mother country, they call it) lodged an objection in NL, but it makes no sense because that can take 3 to 4 months and we wanted to go to Europe from March to May, so I'll be back by then in Thailand, before the verdict came out, a very sad thing
I have spoken to several people in TH, who had to submit an application 3x and therefore also pay 3x for a visa and then received it, so this is just money laundering from the agency there
There is a discouragement policy, ie rejecting as many applications as possible. Making sure that the applicant will return is very difficult. Three months on vacation often means that you have to (temporarily) give up your job. But to avoid rejection, the authorities want to see an income guarantee (job). As a self-employed entrepreneur, you therefore have a chance. Or you have to show a bond in another way, such as owning real estate or caring for children. Unfortunately, quite a few people fall by the wayside, while people with bad plans can still get in. With an entrance interview, one could create room for sincere people with sincere intentions to enter temporarily or (semi) permanently. Unfortunately, it will only become more difficult, such as the marriage requirement for an MVV. Bah!
Were there 2011 VKV applications and 2400 MVV applications from Thailand for the Netherlands in 32.450? That seems like a very skewed relationship. Or are those 32.450 MVVs from all countries heading for the Netherlands?
I would like to bring my girlfriend to the Netherlands and apply for a VKV visa for her.
I know the procedure and which documents I need, but where can I book a "provisional flight ticket" that if the visa is not granted, the ticket does not have to be paid, who can help me
Give it a try http://www.greenwoodtravel.nl, an incoming agent in Bangkok.
My girlfriend just called the Thai office of one of the well-known airlines that fly to BKK-AMS. Made a reservation free of charge that would automatically expire within 1 month.
Have the following experience. I never book a flight without a visa. Will be called in advance when the visa can be collected and then discuss the ticket and health insurance. Always allowed.
Chaing moi, you can ask any travel agent or company (e.g. in Soi 4 or China Airlines) for a reservation, subject to the visa being granted, they will work it out for you without further ado. You only pay when the visa has actually been granted.
Yep best choice is China Airlines. Book online..
I hear stories about visits to the Dutch Embassy.
Can't escape the impression that the "service" is not improving.
The so-called self-declaration of income is a shining example in which the vast majority of applicants are affected by a few abusers in a few years?
The money demanded for this is likely to be wasted money very soon because these very unreliable statements will no longer be accepted.**
Also Dutch people, often after a long journey, who come to apply for a new passport and are confronted with Thai staff, instead of just a Dutch staff member, is not really uplifting for the Dutch.
Visa applications by Thai people through that goddamned agency also increasingly result in money laundering, delays, etc.
But yes, the Dutch embassy or consular service, respectively, is not there for us, the Dutch, but to promote trade….. right?
And of course to generate as much income as possible.
**Source: Colonel Immigration Police.
If I see it correctly, it is more difficult for a Thai to obtain a visa for NL than it was for me -according to my passport a Dutch person- to obtain an annual visa for Thailand with -in principle- an eternal extension. And why don't people want Thai in NL? They are not Muslims (they even hate it), they are willing people to work (and therefore ideal employees), they are anything but xenophobic (at least when dealing with people who are not themselves). In short: from the list of countries whose citizens are basically refused, Thaland simply has to leave.
Yes, hello dear Willem, you know where the votes have gone. A lot of right, even though I always vote left. Well, that has consequences. VOL = VOL is the undertone. Handing in tolerance a bit for a definite answer.
They will not make this very clear, but the VVD is really not only concerned with the economy. And then of course we have Wilders. They don't want to let you in from any country until you have a lot of kinks, come to study or work on a project.
As for going on vacation: people regularly did not go back. Catering from home and don't forget that there are also Dutch women who start trading. A lady who can take care of her family in this way and has nothing is often willing to do this. Even more unfortunate is that they are sometimes “pushed” into “entertainment” by their own family.
Enough motives for everything and yes; The Netherlands often goes too far in the rules, isn't it?
Have so far no problem at all getting a visa for my girlfriend for 3 months. Last year it was arranged within 1 week and again this year, without any problems.
However, it is important to have all the documents they need in good order.
mvg
gerrit crack
Dear HansNL,
You have heard stories about visits to the Dutch Embassy (I assume you mean the embassy in BKK)
I see in your response that you have heard very negative stories.
My personal experience is from last week that I was indeed helped at the Embassy by Thai staff to apply for a new passport.
However, this very friendly Thai lady spoke to me in Dutch and I could also simply answer in Dutch, she also advised me to take a business passport again since my expired passport was also business.
No extra costs, which she told me all in Dutch.
All in all a very neat and fast treatment and finishing by the Embassy staff.
Within a week the new passport in my pocket.
So I think the next time you "hear" something, go and pay a visit in person before you react so negatively.
Gret Anton.
Dear Anthony..
Are you employed by the Dutch Embassy.
not everyone is as lucky as you. 85% is not satisfied with the Dutch Embassy in Bangkok. and , I have never seen a Thai who addressed me in Dutch, only in English. And dear Anton, I'm already there a dozen times past mind.
Hi, where did you get that data from?
I expect to hear correctness on this blog.
You often don't hear about this from someone who is satisfied.
In addition, you have visited it as you want to make clear to us.
Go inside there are really Thai people who speak Dutch.
Dear Pim,
then the thai staff would certainly be home with a day off. I visited eight weeks ago and I have been coming there for years, not every day. There are thai ladies in the waiting room and they speak Dutch very well, but they do not work at the embassy.
Maybe you're right dear Pim, I'm already 65 years old, so the youngest is no longer either.
I have been there several times and was only addressed in English by those Thais, it is better than going to Chiangmai, unfortunately they can do little for you there, because they also have to send everything to BKK
heiko
Absolutely right.
Must have an income statement from next month in connection with my visa extension
have the Embassy. I've read on my PC that it's all changed.
I'm already afraid to contact them by phone. If you don't understand things right away
one gets angry already. Not friendly people there.
Jogchum.
I'll save you a trip to Bangkok.
At consular affairs you can print a form. (is separate at the top right)
You fill this in and send it to the embassy with the requested amount.
Add an empty stamped envelope with your own address .
A few days later you will receive the statement you need including the overpaid money.
Do it registered.
Pim.
You write at consular affairs you can print a form (is separate at the top right)
How do I print it? My problem is that I barely know how a computer works.
ctrlP
Jogchum.
I think Hans Bos has already given you an answer .
If there is a business near you, they can also arrange it for you and if you can't figure it out at all, I will send that form to you.
We can not make it more beautiful .
Pim.
Just send me a form.
My address is…J. Panache….115 Moo 20….T. Wiang…..( Chiangrai )…THOENG…57160
I have another question, can I use my annual income from last year for that?
Many thanks in advance.
Answer to last question: yes.
Then I will also put my my 2 satang in the bag. My father passed away five years ago and I had to rush to the Netherlands with my Thai wife. To make a long story short, two days (!) later my wife had her three-month visa. We were also called that it was ready and we could collect her passport. I thought I was dreaming (after hearing all the horror stories about the Ned. Amb.)
I should of course mention that I am a very nice guy :-). Hey, this preferential treatment is of course not for everyone.
That's right, if they can't trust something, they have to reject it, even if the paperwork is correct! I heard this from a very reliable source 😉
Can remember once meeting a fellow countryman there who was visibly angry and grumpy muttering words that ethically shouldn't be mentioned here.
Also do not know what happened between him and the employee, but suspect with adjoining certainty that it related to a visa application for the Thai woman who was scantily dressed and chewing gum in his company.
Provided that the correct documents can be submitted and the procedures for a visa application have been complied with, someone's clothing and/or appearance should never be an obstacle to handling this in order to keep it 'politically correct'. Not everything is what it looks like.
A three-piece suit with a tie is really not necessary where long (jeans) pants with a shirt will do, but in baggy shorts, singlet, thick necklace and slippers or in the well-known 'Walking Street tuxedo 😉 ' visiting the embassy is surely the other extreme.
I quote it because, as stated in the article, a visa can be refused if there is a suspected risk of settlement or if there is no connection with the mother country, on which I have heard that under that guise an embassy employee can refuse a visa entirely at his own discretion, insight and intuition despite the correct documents shown.
Consider and compare it as a kind of job interview, because then people will in principle also appear at the job interview according to certain norms and values.
Cor verhoef,
That married couples, as in your case, quickly receive the visa for their wife
normal. Still, if NL men want to get their girlfriend on vacation for 3 months
that's a bit different. I had to 25 years ago for my girlfriend (( Now my wife )) many
submit forms and photos. After 5 months I received a message from an authority in NL,
I think ””the ind or something”” that it was okay. I think it's even harder now.
Finally, the Netherlands has a discouragement policy.
Dear Heiko,
I'm not employed by the Dutch Embassy but just like Cor I'm also a very nice guy 😉 maybe that helps a bit too.
Greetings and good weekend!
Anton
Dear Anton and Cor Verhoef.
I just believe you're a nice guy. Good luck.
and have a wonderful weekend too.
I can't quite place that criticism of the staff of the embassy in Bangkok either. My experiences are completely different. I visited on 13.3 to apply for a new passport. I was answered in neat Dutch.
And a week later I received my new passport by EMS at home.
Nothing but praise. In my opinion, it largely depends on how you behave towards embassy employees.
I would say do your homework before you go to the embassy, take what you need to take with you and a kid can do the laundry.
Request an income statement by post – signed and returned within one week – with the exception of the costs for a statement that is in itself meaningless. but the embassy staff cannot do anything about that – I am also satisfied with that.
Hallo,
I am also positive about the friendly and correct handling of the application for a new passport at the embassy.
I was approached behind the counter by a very friendly Thai lady who spoke Dutch.
Whoever gives correct behavior and kindness receives correct and kind behavior in return.
Satisfied customer ! Greetings Ad.
Due to sensitive privacy circumstances, I do not want to detail why I went there, but I have been there several times (with my Thai girlfriend) and the assistance was always extremely correct, friendly and helpful.
Nothing but praise.
Have only positive experiences with the embassy in BKK. Had applied for a 3 month visa for my girlfriend. Received an unsolicited multiple entry for 1 year. But also I am a neat and friendly guy. So I have my questions about the negative messages.
Something else but how lucky we are to apply for a new passport at the embassy in BKK. 2 good photos, old passport and simple form to fill out. A French friend here must have an extract and apply for it in France (haha).
I have another question, when applying for a VCR visa, how big is the requirement that my girlfriend has a job, house or children when granting a visa?
She has none of the three, is that a problem.
And are the requirements slightly more lenient if someone has been to the Netherlands before?
Thanks in advance for the reply, I am trying to prepare a bit for the application for my girlfriend.
The bottom line is that you must provide objective evidence that shows that she has a reason to go back, and is therefore not a flight risk. You must also make the purpose of your trip sufficiently plausible. For more information and advice, surf to the site of the Foreign Partner Foundation and of course the site of the embassy (which will refer to an externally hired agency that handles the reservation for appointments).
Well, objective proof of the intention to return?
Really?
Wonder what objective evidence might be.
Are they sometimes determined subjectively?
Surely I wonder what the added value of that hired agency is?
Money laundering?
Additional filters?
What on earth was wrong with the reservation via the internet that worked perfectly in my opinion, an extra step simply increases the chance of errors.
So that evidence is things like a job or real estate or a schengen visa from the past 3 (?) years. People want to be able to judge objectively on the basis of this, but that does not work out favorably for everyone…
That external agency is because only serious agreements are made in this way and external agencies, among other things, do not book the entire calendar full. There was a blog post about this last year. If you search by keyword or tag “embassy” you should be able to find it.
Oh yes, a job, real estate or previous visas.
If the visa applicant expresses the intention to go to Europe for a limited time, she immediately loses her job (for convenience).
At least, that is pretty much common in Isaan, also from my own observation.
Owning real estate is really only reserved for the somewhat wealthy, poorer people usually live in a rented object, or with relatives.
So the bottom line is that an applicant without a job, owning a home and having never been to Europe simply does not qualify by these “objective” criteria.
As far as the involvement of the external bureau is concerned, and the indicated overbooking by external bureaus, in my view the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has indeed issued an act of insolvency, how difficult would it be to prevent this?
I do hear and read that the agency that is called in also makes quite a few mistakes, does not work very quickly, is involved in money laundering, and so on.
Whether that's true, I wouldn't know, but you can read something while googling.
In short Rob, as always, the many must pay for the few.
Dear Hans, As mentioned earlier, the Netherlands has a discouragement policy. Such applications are therefore rejected by definition. However, after an objection has been lodged, people seem to look at it more seriously and the objection is often honored. After all, it cannot be the case that someone who does not have a child, permanent job or own home is not admitted for those reasons alone.
Here are the links to the Q&A with embassy employee Jeanette de Boer:
- https://www.thailandblog.nl/reisverzekeringen/visum-kort-verblijf/antwoorden-jeannette-verkerk-visumvragen/
- https://www.thailandblog.nl/expats-en-pensionado/visa/jeannette-verkerk-ambassade-bangkok-visumprocedure/
Here she provides the necessary clarity, and the problems she raises must (have) indeed been addressed. But here too, the good suffers from the bad because of this. I would like to go to the embassy with my girlfriend for the visa and make a visa appointment without paying at an external agency… A possible solution that comes to mind: why not set a deposit? Make an appointment, deposit X bath in a deposit pot of the embassy, if you come to the appointment and if you behave according to the rules, you will get your deposit back. If you do not come or if you start looking for a fight, you risk losing all or part of the deposit. Although that will not count as an 'objective' system either.
I am also satisfied with the embassy, the visa application went well. I was just wondering why there isn't more support in Thai: the appointment calendar is only in English and also the application form that the guest has to fill in is only in English. Mrs. de Boer told me that a translation is available at the desk itself, but that she would work on an online version.
And yes, for a 'simple' Thai it can be quite difficult, there is a good chance that the Isaan girl you set as an example will get a rejection. Always object, and make it clear why she is coming to the Netherlands and why she will go back. In principle they cannot reject it because you make it plausible that she will return and they cannot prove that she will not. But even then there can still be a rejection… Again, thanks to the discouragement policy, the good suffer from the bad.
does anyone know what the situation is with the passport photos for a new passport in Bangkok?
in Toulouse France, NL. consulate, I could only go to a photographer who could meet the Dutch requirements.
so will that also be the case in BKK? And if so does anyone have an address for this photographer?
There's one across the embassy who knows what they want.
If the passport photo is still rejected, they will make a new one free of charge.
Also a great translation agency by the way.
Full service, so they take care of everything, including legalization.