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Home » Reader question » Thai stepdaughter has changed her first name, what about her passport?
Thai stepdaughter has changed her first name, what about her passport?
Dear readers,
My stepdaughter has a permanent residence document that expires in September 2019. She currently resides in Thailand, but still wants to return to the Netherlands. The problem I have now is that she has changed her first name (seems to be normal in Thailand). The current passport has expired and she will have to apply for a new passport before returning to the Netherlands, but her new first name will now be listed there, if she takes her old passport with her, will this cause problems?
And what kind of problems can she expect with the extension of her residence document here in the Netherlands? What does her old first name say on it?
Regards,
Alex
Get the deed of change of name from the amphur, then translate it into English at an official translation agency and have this translation legalized by the Thai government. And then you can have this Thai legalization legalized at the Dutch embassy. Then you have fulfilled every requirement.
Then there is also a simple and cheaper solution. You can also advise her to take her original name again, as arranged on the amphur. You then apply for a new passport with the same name as on the Dutch residence document. And when she has the new Thai passport, she can then go back to the amphur to change her name again if she wants.
In case of a name change, there is also an official deed confirming this. Have it officially translated (into English, Dutch, German or French if necessary) and have the deed and the translation legalized at the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs and then at the Dutch embassy.
Then she can show these certificates at the Thai and Dutch / European border on request. Then I would report the name change to the municipality, who could then adjust it in the BRP (basic registration of persons, formerly GBA) or tell you what to do to use the correct name here as well. The IND is linked to the BRP and if the name or something changes in the BRP, the IND should also be automatically informed here (and the mill should therefore run automatically). IND regarding the issue of a new VVR residence card.
Preferably no translation into a language other than English. Because once she arrives at Suvarnabhumi Airport, she is asked for a visa for the Netherlands. Well, just tell the employee at the counter and also when boarding the plane what is written on the form in German or French, apart from Thai. Think you are not allowed to continue because who tells them that a document translated into a foreign language contains the correct text. So English is more advisable to show when checking in and boarding the plane. Even think that you will be refused with an English legalized document because this is not proof of residence. visa but only a confirmation of the change of nationality. So she cannot show the correct visa, because it has a different name, so the airline will refuse her.
Agree that English is preferred, I just indicate what the Netherlands accepts so that all options are clear and someone doesn't have to think 'it's crazy that the Netherlands doesn't accept Dutch'. The counter staff at the airport are almost exclusively Thai, so they will probably understand if you show your passport, VVR pass and - upon request - the deed.
I would immediately keep the deeds ready in hand, but not present them immediately. I have the feeling that if you give more than what is immediately asked for (travel documents) your officials and other desk staff will only get Sherlock Holmes mode.
If, despite passport+VVR+certificates, she still gets into trouble at the airline's check-in counter, then definitely ask for a manager. And if they don't understand it either, I would ask them to contact the KMar Netherlands, who deal with those matters. But airlines sometimes opt for the better safe than sorry option and sometimes wrongly try to refuse people for fear of fines they will receive if they take people who evidently do not have the correct papers.
If she has bought a return flight ticket, this can cause a problem when checking in with the airline, take extra time for this. If there is a difference between passport and residence permit, this can cause a problem when entering the Netherlands. A legalized document only says that the document is a translation of an original document. This document has no value until it has been accepted by the municipality. Because there is a difference between the residence permit and the passport, the Marechaussee can try to contact the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Thailand. I got this on the phone in a similar situation. They may be lenient, but they are within their right to do so.
The advice of the Ger-Khorat is not so crazy to change the name again to the same name as on the residence permit. Incidentally, a new residence permit costs € 134, depending on age. But after changing BRP, take into account a waiting time at the IND of at least 7 weeks, despite the fact that this is only an administrative act.
Incidentally, the correct way is to ask for a return visa at the Dutch embassy, but this costs extra money and time.
That's a good one, I wouldn't know it off the top of my head, but I would definitely check with the embassy about a return visa with the correct name.
The question is, did she change that name herself, which happens very often indeed, or did she also change it on her ID and other official documents? Anyone can change their nickname, as long as nothing changes on your papers, there is nothing wrong. My passport name is also not my nickname, as long as you know which name to fill in what.
My (step)daughter has also changed her name, first name and last name. Is a hype here, on the advice of the monks a new name is chosen, for better luck. Those who have done that still use their “old name”, at least the one I know.
She also has a NL passport and when it had to be renewed at the NL embassy, she just took all the papers and the old passport with her. No problem.
No problem at all with traveling on 2 passports.
My step-by-step plan would be, and I would take at least another 2-3 weeks and start today so as not to run out of time:
1. arrange name deed at the amphur (municipality)
2. have it officially translated into English
3. Legalize the official deed and finished translation languages at the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Bangkok
4. Visit the embassy for legalization of both documents, if you make an appointment for this, inquire immediately about a return visa.
5. Contact the airline to change the name on the ticket
6. At the airport: old passport, new passport, VVR residence card, Thai certificate and translation. Show new pass and VVR, keep documents and old passport ready. In case of hassle: politely insist on a manager, contact the KMar, etc.
7. Visit the municipality in the Netherlands to have the BRP data adjusted. Then contact the IND if necessary, but that should happen automatically.
8. Of course arrange a new VVR pass with the correct name, it will only last for one year, the new pass is NOT a right of residence, which must still be arranged in 2019.
Just reverting to the old name for a Thai passport with the old name and then changing the name again does not seem wise to me. After all, there is a difference between her official name as she is known to the Thai authorities and the names in her travel documents, etc. And then at the next passport renewal she will still encounter the whole story from above that the names differ. The only alternative seems to me to be to refrain from changing the name (reverting it) if the above steps are all too much hassle, hassle and costs.
Dear forum,
Thanks for all the responses to my question, I'm going to choose the easiest way and will advise her to reverse the name change.
Then everything again as it is known here in NL at the municipality and IND.
Thanks again.
Alex
Dear Alex,
Firstly, “my stepdaughter has a permanent residence document that expires in September 2019”.
It is no problem to keep her old name which is just possible.
Everyone who is Thai has a nickname (including me as a foreigner).
The residence document does not expire indefinitely if you change the name and that is okay
the above problems.
She can simply travel out with her Dutch document because this qwa name change
Must happen in the Netherlands.
Yours faithfully,
Erwin