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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Notification to Thai immigration after a trip abroad
Dear readers,
For some time now, you have been obliged to report to the appropriate authority within 24 hours after arriving in Thailand.
I now have a pressing question.
Am in possession of a Thai OA visa, a so-called retirement visa. Valid for 1 year and can be extended for another year each year, provided that the known requirements are met. Recently, after returning from a foreign trip, reported to a Thai immigration service for the above obligation. Was told by the employee(s) present that the obligation would not apply to persons with a 1-year residence visa.
I've searched all over the internet but can't find an answer to my question.
I do hear shocking reactions from people who have received considerable fines for not reporting.
Who oh who knows the right answer?
My thanks for this.
Regards,
Brabant man
You are NOT automatically obliged to report. What matters is the TM30 form with which the homeowner/hotelier/hostess or host must register your stay. If you are the owner of your accommodation, you must indeed make that report yourself, but it is not a general obligation.
It is definitely an obligation, because it is in the immigration law.
Only one immigration office will enforce it more strictly than the other, but that is nothing new in Thailand
That TM30 is indeed an obligation, but in many situations that obligation does not rest on you but on the home owner/landlord, etc.
I'm not saying that everyone should report themselves.
Only that the notification is required under immigration law.
Who? That depends on the situation.
It says “The housemaster, the owner or the possessor of the residence, or the hotel manager …”
If you are the owner, you must do this yourself and also for people who stay under your roof.
If you rent for a longer period of time and you want to register the address at the town hall in order to obtain a yellow Tabien Baan, you are regarded as the housemaster and the responsibility lies with you. And as a housemaster, you also have to report the people under your roof.
In other cases, the owner, housemaster or manager will have to do that for you.
According to immigration in Hua Hin (asked last week) you do indeed have to report to immigration after a foreign trip. This is because you stop for 90 days as soon as you leave Thailand and you have to do the 90 day notification again. It was also mentioned that some Immigration offices believe that you should also go out of the province, but that is not correct, according to Hua Hin. And indeed, the homeowner must also report that you are back, only they shrugged a bit about it. I'll be on the safe side and just report me. IN Blu port Hua Hin you only need your passport and no more form. It was said very clearly: only here!
This has nothing to do with the 90 day report, but with the TM 30 form.
Apparently yes, because in Hua Hin you have to apply for your 90 days again after a foreign trip. They don't make a big deal about it if they know you, but still.
Dear,
I also have a non o visa,
And forgot to report me again within 24 hours of arrival..
So I went to report after 90 days of entry, and there was no problem at all.
opinions differ. I'll do it just to be sure. piece of cake (and free of charge), especially if you do it at blúport. and you can also have someone else do it for you, as long as they have your passport with them. better safe than sorry.
Whatever period of stay you have, obtained with whatever type of visa or extension, has nothing to do with whether or not you are required to make this notification.
Reporting your whereabouts by means of a TM30 form is an obligation, because it is in the immigration law.
Only one immigration office will enforce it more strictly than the other, but that is nothing new in Thailand.
For years it was not even looked at.
If they say in your immigration office that you don't have to, then you don't have to worry about it.
Only “Permanent Residents” do not have to report with a TM30. But they do not have to report every 90 days after that.
For your information.
If you always have an annual extension as you write, then it is certainly not a Non-immigrant OA visa.
What you have is nothing more than a one-year extension of a previously obtained period of residence and that is not a visa. It is sometimes called a “Retirement visa”, because the annual extension was obtained on the basis of “Retirement”, but it actually has nothing to do with a visa itself.
Maybe also mention how I do it myself.
I don't ask anything, that way you avoid one IMO saying yes and the other IMO saying no.
When I return to Thailand I simply send the TM30 form to Immigration here in Bangkok. (enclose return envelope with address and stamp)
After about 4-5 days I get the slip returned by post.
I've been doing this for quite some time.
Of course, I don't know whether the option via post exists everywhere. Certainly in Bangkok.
I copied the TM 30 form and made a PDF of it, filled in with name and address. This is for the convenience of my girlfriend and the authorities in Thailand. But especially for my girlfriend, it is her house and she will be fined if things go wrong, I understand.
Where I am is near Phanat Nikom, there is no immigration and the two of us have a nice time before going to the market to the police station and I am registered there.
Was surprised the first time for the Agents nobody knew about it, but the chief came in and he approved the whole thing. Now when I go I have everything with me for everyone 's convenience . Filled out form TM30 , and a copy of my passport .
.
Another tip if you are going to travel and you do not want to go to immigration or the police station when you return from a trip of a few days, have the registration in a hotel and payment done by your Thai fellow traveler (in my case my girlfriend). .
Saves you going to the authorities because you are still registered in her house and you are not registered in the Hotel in my experience.
It is also provided in the immigration law that you can do this in the police station. At least if there is no immigration office present.
Whether every police station knows this is another story... If they don't know, don't be surprised that they dismiss it with "you don't have to."
http://library.siam-legal.com/thailand-immigration-act-b-e-2522/
Section 38
The housemaster, the owner or the possessor of the residence, or the hotel manager where the alien, receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed, must notify the competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with those hours, dwelling place or hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned. If there is no Immigration Office located in that area, the local police official for that area must be notified.
As for your tip.
Every hotel, guesthouse,… that does its job as it should, must register every guest staying there.
But indeed, usually only 1 person is registered.
If they get control over this (already experienced), then the possible consequences are for them.
Usually it remains with the warning of doing it in the future…
Regarding travel within Thailand, the immigration law says the following:
Section 37
An alien having received a temporary entry permit into the Kingdom must comply with the following:
.....
4. If the alien travels to any province and will stay there longer than twenty-four hours, such alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within forty-eight hours from the time of arrival.
There are also exceptions when the foreigner does not have to be reported.
For example when one is working on a Touring. In Section 34 you can find more reasons why people are exempt.
If you spend the night during your tour with a family member, friends, in a tent along the road, etc., then it is not necessary.
Please note. Hotels, guesthouses, etc. must always report/register their guests. No matter how short or long they stay (well…).
There is yet another legislation that does not specifically come from immigration, and is therefore not only aimed at foreigners.
I go abroad twice a year when I return my 90 report never had a problem
What's your problem now?
Is it so difficult to report?
Immigration needs to get that T30 form.
Is, one, obligation, even if you leave your own province and spend the night there. Report within 24 hours of your return
Dear Brabant man,
I hear all sorts of stories about this.
I have already had a retirement visa here in Pattaya for 6 years.
So a few months ago I inquired here at Immigration whether I should have a TM30 filled out when leaving and returning to Thailand.
If you have a retirement visa, this is not necessary because they have all the information about where you stay in Thailand (unless you change your address within Thailand, of course).
So the soup can only be served as clear and clear as possible.
Greetings, Gino.
That is clear for Pattaya. Not necessary for them. As I said before, some apply it more strictly than others.
For example, that soup may be served differently at another immigration office.
You should perhaps also ask whether it is still necessary for you to report every 90 days... since they have all the information about where you are staying, right? Unless you change your address of course 😉
This is indeed an annoying requirement as well as the so-called 90-day notice. I have always avoided the 90-day notification in the past by always making a trip to a nearby foreign country before that time with my multiple entry retirement Visa. But now it's pouring rain because you need to go to the Immigration Office to report that you're back. I feel that it can be avoided completely legally by spending a day in a Guest House on the day of your return that will automatically do that reporting for you and then just go home the next day.
Is this legitimate or should I report that I have changed address again and is it lead to old iron?
No, makes no sense
It is a report of whereabouts.
If you go somewhere else the next day, you must also be reported at that place within 24 hours.
So it makes no sense to go to a hotel first to avoid it.
If you are not an owner or housemaster yourself, that responsibility does not lie with you either.
I don't understand the problem. In the Netherlands you also have to report your new address to the municipality, insurance companies, energy companies etc etc, which is much more work.
Here you have to report your private address after entering Thailand.
Just fill in that form, signature home owner and a copy of his ID card and house papers
and a visit to Immigration and done.
It seems that everything is too much in Thailand, a visit to the bar is more expensive and often takes longer there
no one complains about.
I don't really have a problem with that either.
Small effort.
Fill it in, receive the mail and you're done.
I don't think much is asked of us foreigners.
People usually spend more time whining about what they should do when it comes to immigration than the time it actually takes. 😉
There is also an online version for homeowners.
Our co-resident does this because the owner lives in the USA. Her brother gave permission for this the first time.
Now our housemate has a password for this and can simply report online when we are back home.
Then take a screenshot and you're done. A disadvantage is that this website is only in Thai.
You do not have to go to immigration with a TM30.
And with the 90-day notification, you simply take a printout with you
nicole,
Normally not for all homeowners though.
Only owners who earn income from rentals can register on-line. At least that was the answer we received, although there will of course be some who were able to register. I'd be surprised if it wasn't. (See my experiences with this below).
This is the relevant website.
https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn24online/
You can also reach it via the national immigration website.
Go to https://www.immigration.go.th/index
Click on Online Service
Then click on the blue icon stating การแจ้งที่อยู่อาศัย
(which loosely translates as “Report address”)
If you are registered, you can now make that TM30 report for your guests.
By the way, the other icon next to the blue one, the orange one, is to make your 90 report online.
Available to everyone. You don't have to be registered for this.
As I said, I have an experience with that TM30 message.
Last year we reported our TM30 by post as usual.
Now it took longer than usual before we got the slip back.
It finally came, but the cover was thicker than usual.
When I opened it I saw that the TM30 form had just been returned.
There were a few pages explaining that we had to do it online and how to register, etc.
Well, followed the instructions and registered my wife according to their guidelines.
The next day we received an email back that she could not register, because she was not a homeowner who earned income from renting to foreigners.
We had to do it by mail, even got a new address sent, or else we had to go to the Immigration Office ourselves.
We then re-mailed that TM30 notification, with their letter telling us to do it online, and the email we received saying we couldn't do it online.
After a few days I received the known TM30 strip back home, just like before. Without further explanation.
We still do it with the mail now without any problem. Not heard from again.
Then thought. Another sample of TIT for sure.
First make your report by post, but you will then receive everything back with the statement that we have to do it online.
If we do, you will receive an e-mail stating that you cannot do it online and that you must do it by post.
Yet again proof that internal communication is not always good, because you have to know that it always came from the same service...
Yes, I didn't know that. When we moved to Chiang mai 4 years ago, her brother had to show up for the registration. Because they didn't report it. Then our co-resident received all the explanations and she even registered everything on the computer at the immigration office (then the old one) the first time. Now she does it at home, of course.
For Pattaya… Chonburi…
It couldn't be clearer.
It's in English. See.
http://fabulous103.com/immigration-thailand-visitors-home/
Once again, things are being mixed up here. As far as I know, the 90-day notification and the residence notification are two different things. The TM30, residence notification, is the responsibility of the homeowner and the 90 day notification is the responsibility of the visa holder. The 90 day notification is made with the TM47 form and not with the TM30. The only thing that will be different on the new TM47 form after returning from abroad than the old one from before departure is the number of the 'departure' card that must be entered on the TM47. Here in Chumphon Immi, when I applied for re-entry, I was asked to report with a TM47 after my return, as my 90 days would then start running again. Whatever I did, I really don't know why I wouldn't have done it, after all, it's just a small effort.
As Ronny rightly stated, its control depends on the immigration office.
This is strictly enforced in Phuket, not only when returning after a trip abroad do you have to redo your house registration TM30 (currently with all necessary documents), also after a stay in Thailand in a hotel that has registered you.
Due to the hotel registration, the hotel will be entered in the file as your new place of residence.
It is possible to request an online logon and password and do it yourself.
Hello, I returned to the Netherlands in 2015 and the 90-day notification was in place at that time. When I returned to Udon, I immediately went to Immigration to report and they said that is not necessary because you have been given another 90 days upon your return to Thailand.
Now I went back to the Netherlands last month (March) but I went to Immigration again and asked and they told my wife exactly the same thing as in 2015.
So now I have not been back after Immigration in Udon.
I have to apply for a new visa in June, I wonder what they will say or make difficult.
As RonnyLatPhrao said it's different everywhere.
I haven't had any problems with anything like that yet and my wife says you don't have to report because you have the yellow house book and that is in the Immigration system.
This was told to us just before our departure in March of this year. I went to the Netherlands alone with my daughter (8 years old).
I'm still curious what I'll hear in June, THINK I'M NOT GETTING ANY MESS ABOUT IT, but you never know here haha they keep changing.
Mzzl Pekasu
At the beginning of February I arrived in Samui again. The next day to immigration with a TM30 form (I had never done this before, by the way, but I had read that they were now strictly enforcing it)
I was sent away again with the message that they didn't need me.???
Will stay in Krabi temporarily (A month) in 3 weeks, my girlfriend has been renting a house there for 3 months.
Asked the owner of that house to fill in tzteen TM30 form, which is completely unknown to them.
However, they don't want to know anything about it, my girlfriend doesn't have a rental contract yet, because this will be in my name.
I know it is not for me to submit this TM30 form to immigration, but I still wanted to report there the day after arriving in Krabi.
Is this necessary/sensible, or should I just do nothing?
After a month I will settle in Prachuap khiri khan province and then I will have to deal with Immigration from Hua Hin where I will apply for the so-called retirement visa and hope that they will not make a fuss about my unregistered stay in Krabi this month .
regards George
Just go to immigration with your TM30 and your rental contract.
You report there that you want to carry out the TM30, but that the owner does not want to cooperate and therefore you come yourself.
Either Immigration Krabi will say that it is ok for them and otherwise they will address the owner about it.
I suspect the former.
Immigration Hua Hin probably won't be difficult either.
Once you move there, you will also have to fill in a TM30 with your new address there.
They will probably only check if the latter has happened.