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Home » Reader question » Reader Question: Too late for 90-day extension and fine
Reader Question: Too late for 90-day extension and fine
Dear readers,
This afternoon (Thursday, June 9, 15.00 p.m.) I registered at immigration soi 5 in Jomtien for a 90-day report. I was 8 days late and reported this to the duty officer. I was politely received my 90 day extension but had to pay a 500 baht fine or else apply for a new retired visa for 1900 baht.
I (fortunately) didn't get a foreign infomation forn.
Would like your opinion.
Regards,
Burt
One has nothing to do with the other.
A 90 day report is only an address report, and is NOT an extension.
A 90-day address notification also does NOT give you ANY right of residence.
It is therefore not because you now have a piece of paper stating that you must make that address report again within 90 days, that you can stay 90 days longer.
Only a period of stay obtained with a visa or an extension gives you a right of residence.
You can make this 90-day notification from 14 days before to 7 days after the 90 th day.
Late reporting may result in a fine.
If you are much too late, this is around 2000 Baht with a maximum of 5000 Baht.
Indeed, a day late usually entails a fine of 500 Baht.
A new “retirement visa” or having to apply for one has nothing to do with that.
They acted correctly.
You were late. And you knew that.
In Phuket, that costs more than a week too late, easily 1000 baht. Just keep track of when you have to report the 90 days in your calendar or on your phone.
Still not too bad that fine than in Phuket
Plus as you say, just keep track of when you need to go. Easy.
“If a foreigner stays in the kingdom over 90 days without notifying the Immigration Bureau or notifying the Immigration Bureau later than the set period, a fine of 2,000.- Baht will be collected. If a foreigner who did not make the notification of staying over 90 days is arrested, he will be fined 4,000.- Baht.”
http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=90days
In addition to Ronny, his correct comments: One can also make a 90-day notification by post, ask at the immigration office where you should send the notification and whether they accept it.
In addition, there is the possibility to report the 90 days via the internet, this does not (yet) work completely flawlessly, also ask the relevant immigration office whether they accept this.
Would call this sloppy instead of stupid, you already know 90 days in advance when you have to go there again, sorry but don't understand this.
Last February I had to go to Immigration again for 90 days. What I didn't know (I had a non-immigration o visa with multiple entries at the time) that I actually had to leave the country and then re-enter for the next 90 days.
A friend of mine said you just go to kap choeng and the rest will be fine We went to kapchoeng the lady at the immigration office was very friendly gave me a new piece of paper in my passport and there I was again.
90 days later I go back for my new stamp the duty officer says you have a big problem you don't have a stamp in your pass from 90 days ago.
told the whole story of this lovely lady from February but nothing helped 90 days overstay
Pay 20000 baht immediately or leave the country
It doesn't matter if they make a mistake, you're the one who has to check at all times if everything went well
Believe me, this only happens once for such an amount, you are lucky with 1 bath
You were indeed wrong by not leaving the country, or by not asking for an extension of your stay in time.
“Their” were not wrong. You apparently got what you asked for.
By the way, you will NEVER get a right of residence on a piece of paper. Always with a stamp in your passport.
Still, I'm curious..
What happened after you paid that overstay?
Year extension requested, or still leave the country?
You will always have to pay 20 Baht in this case, because 000 months "overstay".
If you hadn't paid it there, you would have had to pay it at the border.
Ronny
First of all, I was asked if I was married. Not yet at that time. There was a lot of discussion between the head of Immigration and the captain who said I had a problem. The lady in question was even called at home to ask about her story. Whatever that may have been, you will never know. I had an annual visa for the first time and actually knew how to blow my horns. So if that lady had done her job well and had pointed out to me that I had to make a visa run at the border, it would have saved me 20 baht. Does not alter the fact that you should indeed check that everything is going well, but if you are ill-informed and ask a lovely lady to my girlfriend, does the gentleman still live with you, is answered yes, she takes out the paper that is attached to your passport and a new in and says see you by may i say see you by may. everyone would think cat in the bakkie until May but no.
The story continues from kapchoeng,
I received a paper with a number of stamps and had to go to Chongchom, the border with Cambodia
There I had to pay 20 bath on the spot. Got a note in my passport and was then allowed to enter Thailand again with the right papers and stamps.
They only threatened me to leave Thailand if I didn't pay the 20.
So the same day everything is back to 0 for the next 90 days.
I now have a marrig visa so now I'm in the right place with that lady.
Hi Ton
It must indeed have been a lack of information and knowledge about the visa rules.
Moreover, things quickly go wrong when things are not called by their correct names.
Misunderstandings happen quickly.
That lady asks your girlfriend at the time if you lived with her seems normal to me. After all, it was about a 90-day address report as far as she was concerned, and since you had your address with your girlfriend.
But she could indeed also have made you aware of the fact that you had to either ask for an extension or make a “border run”.
I was actually especially curious who collected the “overstay” fine.
The immigration office itself, or whether they sent you to the border to pay it there.
From your first reaction I first concluded that you had to pay them directly, and that actually surprised me a bit given the duration of the “Overstay”.
But it has become the limit.
That is usually the case as I have already understood from other similar cases.
They sometimes want to solve a few days of "overstay" locally with a fine of 500 Baht per day, and then you can still apply for your extension afterwards (they don't do it everywhere, but some offices seem to apply it)
It seems to be the limit for the longer term.
In any case, it has been an expensive learning experience.
Thanks for still letting us know.
Did you have to pay 500Baht or 500Baht per day?
The latter is the norm!
If you got off with a 500 Baht fine then you are a lucky person!
500 Baht is the standard for an “Overstay”, ie when you exceed a period of stay
This is not an “Overstay”. This is just being late with an address notification.
With a 90-day address notification you CANNOT have an “Overstay”, simply because a 90-day address notification does not give you a right of residence. That piece of paper only states a date when you will have to make that address report again. However, it does not mean that you can stay until that date.
How long you can stay is stamped in your passport, not on a piece of paper
With a 90-day address report you can only be TOO LATE to report your address. You can do this up to 7 days after the 90th day before you are too late.
If you are a day late, it will be limited to a fine of 1 Baht, as was the case with him, namely 98 day (the 500th day).
The normal (total) fine for when you are late is 2000 Baht, and if you are stopped it is 4000 Baht.
(According to the Immigration Act, the maximum fine for late reporting is 5000 Baht).
“If a foreigner stays in the kingdom over 90 days without notifying the Immigration Bureau or notifying the Immigration Bureau later than the set period, a fine of 2,000.- Baht will be collected. If a foreigner who did not make the notification of staying over 90 days is arrested, he will be fined 4,000.- Baht.
http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=90days
I get my note in the mail every 90 days ( imm. Khon Kaen) cost me 1000thb and saves me 3 times 300 km driving.
Definitely cheaper than driving there. Especially if you live a little further from immigration.
Mail will cost you 2 stamps, 2 envelopes and some copies or try online (although it doesn't always work).
Here in Belgium you get a fine of 60 euros for the slightest violation, which is approx. 2400 bath, so you can't complain. You knew it in advance. A little discipline never hurts.
Someone who reports too late for the 90-day notification is clearly in violation of Thai immigration law. You get 3 weeks to do this and that is more than enough. Your passport will even have a note stapled with the date when you have to return in large numbers. If, for any reason, you are negligent, forgotten, no time, no sense…. If you fail to do so, you will be in violation and you may be fined. Registering too late for the 90 days is considered “overstay” and then you normally pay 500THB/d with a max of 20.000THB. Now with the new overstay legislation they can even expel you and deny you access to the “Kingdom” for a certain period of time if the overstay exceeds a certain period.
As for re-applying for a visa: this can also be done as a measure. If you are difficult and refuse to pay the fine, your visa may be suspended on the basis of not respecting the immigration conditions. Remember that obtaining an annual visa is not a RIGHT but a FAVOR.
Hello Eddy,
Confirming your address too late, the so-called 90-day notification, does not fall under “overstay”.
The consequences of an “overstay”, including a fine (max 20 Baht), and/or imprisonment or a later entry ban in the event of a long “overstay”, are therefore not applicable.
Only exceeding the period of stay falls under this.
The 90-day notification does not give any right to residence.
You cannot therefore exceed your period of stay, and therefore you cannot go into “overstay”.
You can only execute the 90 days late notification.
This has its own fines, but no consequences for a later entry or extension.
“If a foreigner stays in the kingdom over 90 days without notifying the Immigration Bureau or notifying the Immigration Bureau later than the set period, a fine of 2,000.- Baht will be collected. If a foreigner who did not make the notification of staying over 90 days is arrested, he will be fined 4,000.- Baht.”
http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=90days
But otherwise you are right of course” You get 3 weeks to do this and that is more than enough. A note is even stapled in your passport with the date when you have to return in large numbers.”
Apparently not enough for some.