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I want to share with you my findings in the IDC with two things in mind, I write it off and I hope you think twice about forgetting to apply for a visa.
It is on a Sunday evening when there is a knock on the door my first name is called so they are strangers after all my children say daddy. In the pouring rain a man with an Immigration vest is standing and there is a soldier in the car. The man asks can I see your passport, I said, but of course I was not aware of any harm until that moment. You are under arrest was his comment. I said why? You have an overstay of 10 months. You can understand that I was shocked.
I was transferred to the nearest police station where the whole circus started spinning. In the picture with the smiling policemen and the people of the Immigration. I had to hold the sign myself that said how many days I was overstay. So we with a male or 8 in the picture.
The senior immigration officer, I don't know his rank but he had three gold bars on his shoulder, asked me do you want something to eat? I said that's good, and sure enough he brings me a meal after half an hour. I have already moved from the desk to the cell, but until then the doors remained open. They closed in the evening and remained that way for 4 days. I had some friends in my village and the town just beyond and they brought me food just like my Thai family.
After 4 days I was transported to Bangkok, where two men, including the man with the three golden bars, delivered me to the IDC and I still remember his last words “good luck” later it turned out that I really needed that 'good luck'.
In a small courtyard you were asked to hand in your phone and your belt. You then received a receipt with a number, the other receipt was put on your phone with an elastic band. Soon the atmosphere became a bit grim because people who were not so fast were immediately beaten with a stick.
We were locked up in a cell of 4 by 4, first with 6 men at the end of the afternoon there were 60. We then had to take photos and fingerprints, but because I had been on the floor all afternoon, I could hardly get up. I'm not 20 anymore so I'm also a blow. After taking pictures and everything else that comes with it, you were allowed to grab some clothes from your suitcase and then your suitcase disappeared from sight.
Everyone had to go upstairs bare-chested with those clothes under their arm. The building has 3 floors and I disappeared behind bars on the third floor, cell 13, does not bode well.
On December 3, the alcohol shortage became noticeable to me, I then drank a strong drink and after a few days I fell into a kind of coma. I saw all kinds of crazy things and I experienced everything as if it were real. I dreamed that my wife was outside calling if I loved her. I shouted loudly 'I love you' but it was already the middle of the night so the guard was not pleased and another kick. My feeling at that moment was zero I was covered in bruises but felt nothing. I even dreamed that my daughter had died. After 8 days I woke up had done all my needs in my pants so I looked like a bum, that bum who smelled like a cesspool.
The cell was about 25 meters by 10 and we were lying there on the floor with 19 people from Sri Lanka and Somalia who had been there for 4 years and there was a Chinese who had no family who could get him out of there. That poor man had been lying there on the floor on his blanket for 12 years. Everyone got two of those gray moving blankets 1 to sleep on and under and the other to roll into a pillow.
Quickly took a shower well shower everyone who lives in Thailand knows that you have to shake buckets of water over you. The shampoo, soap and toothpaste were free. Of course I could no longer wear those smelly clothes and a boy from Cambodia gathered something for me from everyone.
T-shirt shorts I still had 1000 baht in my pants but you understand, they weren't there anymore, just like my receipt for my phone. Priority zero at that time. I had recovered a bit and drank some water and there was also food. In the morning rice with a green mush, in the afternoon rice with another green mush and in the evening rice with one of the first ones, but a bit spicy. If you're used to it, it's quite a task to eat it, but you have no choice.
The next day (after 11 days) I received a visit from an employee of the Dutch Embassy. And a nice man who explained to me how everything worked. There had to be a ticket to send me back to the Netherlands. I did have money to go to Cambodia, for example, but that kite didn't go up. I am from the Netherlands, so you will also return to the Netherlands. After a lot of arguments with my family, it is now almost Christmas and yes, the embassy closes between Christmas and New Years. I had a man from the probation service visit me at Christmas for a chat, very nice man.
Our cell had now expanded from 19 men to 180, so everyone slept spoonful and two toilets without a door is not everything. But you quickly put that shyness away from you because you will have to sometime, won't you? Every three days you can go down to do some exercise or buy some tasty things such as Coca-Cola or biscuits. You get the money from the embassy, 30 euros per month. Anything is better than nothing I would say.
Because you no longer have a telephone, my Thai family did not know where I was, after all everything went through the embassy. He came to tell me on January 11 that a ticket had been arranged for me by my daughter for a flight on January 16 with Ukraine Airlines. My heart started to warm up again a few more days and it was going to happen, finally out of that stinking place.
On the 15th I was taken downstairs and I was able to open my suitcase again. My laptop was still in it but as I lost my receipt I couldn't get my phone back. Well, I had other things on my mind. On the morning of January 16, taken to the airport in a barred crooks car with a Russian, handcuffed. It was 8 o'clock in the morning the sun was shining in Bangkok and I actually had the idea I don't want to go back at all. Moreover, there was now a stamp in the middle of my passport: 'banded for 5 years'. Gosh, not in Thailand for 5 years, what a disaster!
The Immigration guy took me to the gate through a special entrance. There I stood 23 kilos lighter, a large beard of 8 weeks and handcuffed. You do get a lot of attention. You are the first to board the plane and then the handcuffs go off, priority boarding, haha. And after a while the plane leaves for the Netherlands
Did I lie any part of the story? NO nothing, I already said it's an outlet for me and hopefully a warning for each of you. Always have a visa! And if you think they won't find me after all, I've been ratted on by someone, that can happen to you too. A warned person counts for two!
All the best!
My name doesn't matter
Editors: Name is known to the editors. The text has been edited.
Intriguing story, just goes to show that this can happen to anyone.
I always have a reminder in my digital agenda and there is a note with the date when I have to make a visa run. (because I'm staying here with a Non Imm O based on marriage, applied for in NL and then you can go on holiday to one of the neighboring countries every 90 days or go to NL).
Maybe a little easier to remember because you also have to look for a ticket for a reasonable price every 3 months.
I hope it never happens to me, but never say never, especially as you get older.
It is annoying for you that you are not allowed to enter Thailand for 5 years.
No Bart, if you stick to the rules and make sure your visa is in order, this won't happen to you, will it?! That is also the intention of the story. Make sure you're in order. You can never justify what you do wrong or forget.
Look, and that is the purpose of having that 800K ThB in an account: is there literally and figuratively no problem, do you have money to buy a ticket to the Netherlands, plus: not depending on the good works of the embassy. Indeed: forewarned counts for 2.
Sad story, but with all due respect: I don't really understand how you can 'forget' to apply for something essential like a visa or an extension. I also know someone who had 'forgotten', but in the end it turned out that he had decided not to apply for eea because he could not meet the requirements anyway, and he decided to take a chance. It can go well for a long time, but I wouldn't want to live with that uncertainty myself.
Boy oh boy what a story and absurd treatment for just an overstay.
It can happen to anyone, you can double everything in the agenda and also receive an e-mail message from your agenda and yet it can happen.
I hope that it will never happen to me and that it will save me that inhumane treatment.
If you could not have informed your family in Thailand via the embassy, they might have been able to do a little more for you, speak the language, know how you can have something extra with certain resources.
Ruud, that 800 k won't help if you can't reach it, after all you're locked up and they won't let you go to the bank to arrange something, you can't even do anything by phone. That's why my Thai wife has a separate account with some money get up for emergencies, you can also go into a coma and before they help you you have to pay first. Of course I know the danger of doing this, but better than what the entrant has experienced. I am insured, but that takes hours before permission is obtained. My children in the Netherlands also have access to money in case of an emergency.
What I just read that immigration in Hua Hin sends you a text message when your visa is about to expire, that's great and should be followed by every immigration.
Here are some images from the IDC (Immigration Detention Center)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4ULdcQRtkg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2QcmR_FNuM
There are also real refugees here, and children, sometimes for years. Shame on you Thailand….
How awful to read this, but unfortunately it is only your fault.
Why not comply with Thai law if you want to live in Thailand. You know you need a visa and you know you have to report.
With your behavior, the laws are getting stricter and you are therefore harming all foreigners with your behavior. The last sentence shows that you did it consciously. In the end, you'll be fine.
i didn't do it knowingly believe me the real reason is not important all that matters is don't let you suffer the same fate as me
Bit of a strange story. In the last al;ine a you talk about being ratted on by someone. But how did he know you had overstay? I have the impression that you did know that you did not have a valid visa and guessed it. But maybe I'm completely wrong.
Anyway, good to make it clear that people do not have a soft mentality like in the Netherlands regarding the date of visas or papers.
In the Netherlands they also experience deportation and sometimes detention in a detention center. But there it is more humane, you get the chance to arrange your return journey yourself without ending up in a dog house. But fortunately not as brutal as Thailand. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, not even those who knowingly and willingly reside illegally. Expulsion from the country (possibly with a fine), a declaration of undesirability of several months or years, depending on the seriousness, and that's it. This is how most civilized countries do it, including the Netherlands, Thailand could also do it that way.
If you want to know more about the civilized mentality of the Netherlands, take a look at:
https://www.dienstterugkeerenvertrek.nl/VertrekuitNederland/
A sad story, you become a criminal when your visa has expired.
It's good to think about how you arranged it yourself.
An acquaintance of mine got a tia, luckily the family could arrange everything.
Everyone can get lost at some point.
All kinds of text messages, or stickers throughout your house will no longer help you.
Moral of story
make sure you have a backup, with minimal money for a ticket.
gr Pete
Not a pleasant story and indeed inhumane conditions.
What I don't understand is that someone can have an overstay of 10 months without apparently knowing it.
Every 90 days there is the mandatory address report and immigration will have pointed out that you have to apply for a new period of stay.
What I wonder then is, why did you not apply for a new period of residence in time?
If you have willfully not done so, you are asking for trouble, as you unfortunately had to experience yourself.
Something similar can happen to anyone if you're not paying attention. My wife can always access my bank account if necessary.
I'm going to respond to that one more time, the moral now is to get a visa, later you can read why and why again
This isn't just happening here.so.
It was in the paper a few weeks ago.
A Dutch volunteer in Africa,h
also let his visa expire.
Also had to go to prison and could only be released when he leaves the country + the fine.
The family also had no money, so they did crown funding in the Netherlands.
I think all together 2700 euros.
Eventually it went to the Netherlands.
The Embassy mediates, but does not give or borrow money.
Hans
A Thai cell is certainly no fun, in an animal shelter or zoo you are even better off with us. but I can't help feeling that this was a deliberate risk?
So between the lines I understand that you deliberately stayed illegally in Thailand? An illegal stay of 10 months is not a matter of not reporting one time or too late to immigration or forgetting a border run. And that you apparently lied about your actual whereabouts, otherwise it couldn't have been a surprise that Immigration came to get you. After all, the only way they managed to find you could have been a beautifier. And traitors never sleep.
In the Netherlands you would also have been deported on a visa with an overstay, if (as far as I have gathered) you first receive a proper letter from the IND/DT&V (Return and Departure Service) stating that you are illegal and have left the country. will be put as an unwanted alien. You can also arrange a ticket yourself or wait for the national government to pick you up and put you on a plane. Are you more expensive because the government does not look for the cheapest ticket, and you can pay for your return journey yourself if you have money. You can't pick a bald chicken, so you're lucky that you go on deportation and don't stay in the cell until Sint Juttemis, as Thailand seems to do with people who are broke.
The conclusion remains: anywhere in the world it is stupid to consciously choose illegal residence. And where someone is accidentally illegal (short overstay) it can also become difficult.. don't do it and pay close attention to the stamps, papers, etc. Save yourself and your loved ones a lot of misery.
I hope you recovered after this inhumane experience. Not going back to Thailand for at least five years… ouch! Is your family coming to the Netherlands for a short or long stay? Living separately for 5 years could destroy your relationship again and that would be extra harsh.
The writer indicates that he was a heavy drinker. At least, if you fall into a kind of coma and delirium due to a sudden total abstinence, then you can speak of it. Moreover, perhaps the same applies here as with people with chronic debts, who do not open their mail with bills 'not to know'. Add to that the tendency to wishful thinking, 'it will be all right'. Of course, the question remains why his wife (and others) did not keep an eye on it and warn him. Sad story.
even between the lines you read it wrong i will come back to that later with a separate story the moral of this story is make sure you have your affairs in order i get blamed for everything by people who talk easily i hope and i mean that i hope they never end up in the IDC because everyone with a big mouth their own fault big bump goes off there like a watering can
Thanks for your correction Ton, I look forward to the explanation. My apologies that my guessing was wrong. That's the annoying thing about reading between the lines, you can also read what isn't there. Because it is not explicitly stated that it was not a conscious choice to stay illegally, it is not surprising that many (including me) suspected that. Regardless of whether it was or not, no one deserves inhumane treatment. You were (unwanted, ignorant) engaged in a criminal offense, that does not make you a 'piece of scum, your own fault, big lump'. It's easy to say from the sidelines that the 'tough approach' is the right one... I hope none of us ends up on the wrong side of the Thai police baton. This could and should have been solved much more decently, more humanely, by the Thai authorities.
And more importantly, I hope you can be with your family and not let that take you away. See, for example, the Schengen and Immigration files for options to be together in the Netherlands or elsewhere in Europe (EU route). Courage.
It appears that the man has committed several offenses. He missed the 90-day notification several times and therefore almost 2 years without a valid visa. And no excuse of value.
Why "that can happen to anyone"? 10 days overstay, OK, not everyone checks their calendar every day (where things like that are noted, right?), but 10 months?
And that you are then arrested “just for an overstay” is justified, because well, never mind.
Not 10 days but 10 MONTHS. Is a big difference
Intense story. But 10 months overstay is not nothing either. Can't believe you let it get to this point. Don't feel sorry either.
Get a little angry about it. Of course worthless how Thailand treats its prisoners. But if you are here as a guest and you treat the hospitality like that, it is also very worthless. No visa for 10 months and then a shock when immigration is at the door. Come on don't fool us. This is not a mistake.
Clarity: there is no visa meant problems. And if you make a mistake for a few days, they have rules in Thailand for the longer you do not have a visa, the longer you will have problems.
No visa for 10 months. Sorry.
In addition, it is becoming increasingly clear to me why I get a little angry. Of course it is not favorable for the foreigners who do comply with the rules. It is also bad for foreigners, eg residents of Cambodia who come here without a visa to provide food for their family. I also feel sorry that you can't take care of yourself so badly that you have to stay for 10 months. But I don't feel sorry for you being punished for it.
And the fact that I get angry is because I became a dad here myself. And I also know that no visa means a ban on entry. And so even if you disrespected Thai laws and acted like a bad father, that's even worse.
How are your children supposed to be without dad 5 years. What a sense of responsibility. Yes and that the family didn't find you wonder if they wanted to find you. Whoever does like this meets.
Shame.
It was a sad story, but you owe it all to yourself.
If you live in Thailand, please respect Thai law. Your last sentence shows that you have knowingly and willfully violated this legislation. Too bad for you, but certainly also a shame for all other foreigners, because Thai regulations are becoming stricter due to people like you and it is becoming increasingly difficult for us to comply with the rules. Just think of the income statements.
No visa means problems and rightly so.
No visa for 10 months is not forgetfulness. This is deliberately not wanting to apply for a visa.
And yes, whoever plays with fire has to sit on the blisters. (In Thai Cell)
Overstay is a crime in Thailand. There is a penalty for that. You have to keep an eye on your stamp yourself and you have an agenda for that, a mobile phone, your computer, if necessary the old-fashioned whiteboard in the toilet. If you are ill or you have to go to hospital, there are possibilities to extend the existing stamp on the basis of a doctor's note; if your head is spinning, the family can arrange this with a medical certificate. This is a case of your own fault and then you have to sit on the blisters.
Well,
The last "I was ratted on by someone" is "probably" not true.
Immigration knows exactly where everyone lives and the computer knows exactly who is crossing.
Every day the computer spews out lists of people who have a superior.
The longest overstee, they are now taking, but there will come a time when you will be caught within a month.
If only they were so strict with their own compatriots who commit daily traffic violations with their reckless driving behavior, often with fatal consequences.
But only then do you see how the police apparatus functions or rather does not function here.
But whether or not a remaining farang is found guilty , letting it rot without any form of communication with the rank and file in a filthy overcrowded cell , that is what I call inhumane .
So you see again that Thailand still manages to maintain its third world country status in many areas.
Jan Beute.
“On December 3, the alcohol shortage became very noticeable to me, I then drank a strong drink and after a few days I fell into a kind of coma”
Maybe I misunderstand but since when is prison party time?
I once met two compatriots in Pattaya where, on the other hand, an excess of alcohol was clearly noticeable, loose-lipped and stammering they told me that they had been in overstay for almost a year.
Haven't been to Pattaya for a long time and have no idea if both gentlemen are still staying there, do know that they were very bad at the Netherlands at the time because that was just a rotten country.
Provided the story of 'my name does not matter' is not granted to anyone, but I am still curious if they are arrested or they still think so...
Although the text has already been edited, there are still many errors. It will probably not have been an easy task to make it into a readable text. The sentence '“On December 3, I became very aware of the alcohol shortage, I then drank a strong drink and after a few days I fell into a kind of coma” should be read as: 'I then drank a strong drink. Here the sentence should end with a period and then you can understand it as: I drank a strong drink at the time. Then the sequel: 'after a few days I fell into a kind of coma.
With that 'solid drink' the writer must have meant: solid BOTTLES there, to get into such a state you really have to be a very heavy drinker. This is not due to drinking a daily drink, but by drinking yourself lazarus every day.
Prolonged overstay has two main reasons:
Lack of being able to meet the immigration conditions and is therefore willful
Lack of ability to use the mind in an orderly manner, often resulting from excessive daily alcohol consumption.
I totally disagree with that long overstay 'anyone can happen'. A few days, I can still get there, but 10 months that's not forgetting. That is the result of willful or self-created factors. Schrijver shows that he worked himself into a situation in which he himself was no longer capable of living in a dignified manner. Such a people should be protected against themselves and do not belong in a prison but in an aid center, psychiatry.
Being in a Thai prison is no fun, is out of date in a civilized, developed country and is in urgent need of change, I totally agree. That this story is a warning to other people, I would rather view it as a warning to themselves. Live in a humane way and then you have a good chance of being treated in a humane way.
It would have been a bit clearer for the readers if the writer had also explained the reason for this 10 month overstay. I don't think it's due to his mental abilities, although the article has been edited by the editors.
we can always tell the writer what he has done wrong and that is also clear, but he writes it as a warning to others.
It will never happen to me, but who knows, maybe someone here is reading this and has now been warned
Dear 'My name doesn't matter', I really hope for you that telling about what happened to you can help you deal with this horror. A lot of comments are about it being your own fault and don't feel sorry for you at all. In fact, I even read that you came off well. Of course you realize that it is all your fault, there must have been reasons for that, but that is not the point here. You don't ask for pity either, you start the story with the statement that you want to warn others never to let it come to that. Now the vast majority of Westerners residing in Thailand will make sure to have their papers in order, but there will undoubtedly be other people like you as well. Hopefully your warning will reach them and they will take steps to avoid suffering the same fate as you. I am happy for you that you received help from your daughter and wish you and your Thai family strength and hopefully a reunion in the future.
The story of what happens after failing to pass an extension is clear and ready for anyone who exhibits the same “forgetfulness”.
But how someone can forget to go to an immigration office for 10 months seems deceitful to me. Hopefully many Farang will follow your way so that we, the honest stayers, are not treated to more rules. Fare you well. (And thanks for posting)
It happened to me a long time ago when I was raising 3 young children in Thailand alone. I did have a housekeeper. I had 1 of my secretaries who had a Thai lawyer as a boyfriend arrange my visa. That person had an extra long weekend until Tuesdays. Everything seemed well organized until Friday afternoon at 15.00 pm 3 government cars stopped in front of my door. Police, Immigration and Labor department. Someone must have called them was my first thought. I let them in and the police immediately asked for my passport which I didn't have at home so couldn't show it. The logical consequence is handcuffs and arrest. Finally I was on a side street off Sathorn Rd. delivered to Immigration and was unlucky enough to start a long weekend. I had already sent my housekeeper to go buy a ticket around the corner but it was too late to get the necessary documents in order. I was tipped that if I shoved 6000 Baht under the table, it would be easy to arrange, but they came to tell me that it could only be solved after the long weekend, I did not get the 6000 Baht back. All this happened to me in the time when I went to Penang as a non-retired person to apply for a visa every time, but then I was always on the road for 3 days, but with 3 young children I usually didn't dare to stay away that long. I had already had an overstay of 435 days without anyone knowing and reporting it (because that is the danger) and at that time you paid 20.000 Baht at the airport at passport control and you received a stamp as proof of payment and you could go through and come back. So I was locked up on the 1st floor at the immigration office with 80 others side by side on the floor. There were 6 toilets, reasonable food, no security, even if things got messy inside, then you were on your own, no one came to help. I had 50 Euro and 6000 Baht cash in a well-lockable back pocket. In every group situation there is a hierarchy and a leader stands up and gathers helpers around him. That was also there because many had been there for years and there were those who did not even want to go home, such as the Iraqis, for example. Trade was also carried on, eg in coffee and cookies. In the morning when I woke up I realized something was wrong and immediately felt my back pocket, the money was gone and there was a cut in the pocket that was probably caused by a razor blade. At that moment you think, rather break the bag and money away than be killed. I pointed out to the informal leader that he was not respected by everyone because people stole in his space. He organized that everyone lined up and that I could search everyone and also search the stuff. I found nothing. The day I was allowed to leave arrived. I was alone in the police car with only the driver but I was handcuffed. I told him about the incident and who I suspected and that 50 Euro cash would be fairly easy to spot. I was also handcuffed across the airport before being led onto the plane. Then you are indeed seen by everyone as a criminal and you have to put your shame away for a while. I later had another e-mail from that informal leader that they had found my 50 Euro and I was right about the suspect. That was, incidentally, a Dutchman who had been imprisoned for murder. The consequences in the event that you get stuck for a long time are of course much greater. If you live rented and are unable to pay the rent, someone else is now living and your possessions are gone. Your visa cannot be extended from prison so you will be deported. You can't get to your money because your card is no longer active… and so on. Also consequences of a conflict with Thai and you are innocent, if 2 Thai report, even if it is false, the police must start an investigation and you can be arrested for 12 days before the case occurs. They can also say that the investigation has not yet been completed and therefore extend your pre-trial detention a number of times by 12 days. There you sit as innocent and in case you have done nothing wrong, you often have no witnesses and it becomes difficult to prove your innocence. Be careful and keep your guard up when dealing with bad Thai!
This example makes it clear that everything in life has consequences, which can turn out badly. The rules regarding lawful residence in Thailand can be assumed to be known and can also be read on this blog for everyone. Some people only learn through trial and error. Apparently this compatriot was unable to meet the visa requirements and thought he could escape the dance. You can guess what his relationship was like and they are happy that he left. Of course I hope not because there are also children involved. Alcoholism is not a thing that can be credited to him favorably, but is often an additional dilemma for a good relationship and proper functioning. That his family in the Netherlands may not really be waiting for him is also not inconceivable if I read this like this, but that is a premonition that cannot turn out to be correct. In the end, it did help him with arranging a plane ticket. The question why this has taken so long has not been answered either. The fact that things are not humane in a Thai prison cannot sound strange either. This should no longer be happening in 2018. Fortunately, things are more humane in the Netherlands.
Incidentally, illegal residence in the Netherlands is also punishable by law and depends on the cooperation of the foreign national after his detention and supervision by the Supervision and Departure Service.
such a stay in the first instance can result in up to one and a half years of detention before his or her departure.
In the meantime, lawyers in their capacity as process managers at the IND, contrary to the foreign national's lawyers, do their best to defend or oppose the detention during the interim assessments before the court. There is also the cooperation between the parties with the DT & V to deport the foreign national to the Netherlands after all. The Aliens Police supports this and in particular has a monopoly position for standing or arrest and detention. As a former police chief and deputy district attorney, I have placed many in custody for the purpose of deportation. These were usually the criminal aliens, who also resided illegally. In other cases I allowed it to act differently and if there was cooperation for deportation on the part of the foreign national, detention was usually omitted. However, guarantees were then required, which showed that the departure would actually take place and within the foreseeable future. Empty words were of no use to us. So social action where possible and otherwise fixed as long as possible or necessary or desirable. There is always a weighing moment of the interest of the state and the personal interest of whether staying stuck is still the solution. Also consider the financial picture. I know another example of a Thai woman who was illegally staying in the Netherlands because her husband could no longer meet the financial requirements and had to be deported. I made arrangements with her and her husband and decided not to detain her and in the following weekend I put her on a plane to Thailand myself and they could say goodbye to each other in a humane way. I did not pay the fine because there was not much money with either of them. There was also the option to be deported by the DT & V with the help of the IOM. So there are many roads that can be followed and how people deal with it in Thailand is not my preference. It can be done differently and should depend on the extent to which cooperation in deportation will take place. This kind of suffering could then be spared.
Thanks for your comment Jacques, I thought where is our old (foreigner) agent? 🙂 Fortunately, we treat people in a nicer way in the Netherlands. Illegality cannot be tolerated, but solving it in a neat, humane way is part of it. But when I look at the thumbs up, I see that many readers prefer pruning hard, Thailand that it's good, the Netherlands is supposedly soft...
Perhaps you could send a blog to the editors with interesting stories about Thai foreigners, the reporting obligation that existed for short stays, legal and illegal stays, human smuggling and other heights or depths with a Thai edge?
I had expected this reaction from all those Dutch people, also look many times on Thailandblog, but the only thing they can do is piss someone off
I said in my introduction it is an outlet for me and hopefully a warning for you
Who are you to judge me as a criminal who are you who may not have a visa on purpose who are you who know better if I were I in the IDC don't you
Who are you to judge if I did something wrong you don't know the whole story but like all Dutch people judge on what I wrote I also have another part of my story that will come later the only thing that matters to me now I'm happy with the reactions but many times shame you don't understand it
You're right, Tony. You will be judged based on what you have said. Therefore, for good understanding to give more details in your story about the cause, the reason why you had overstay. Then the reactions would certainly be more nuanced.
Your goal has come across. Be alert and do not neglect to observe the conditions of a stay in Thailand.
All the best with you.
The message is clear, you should not want to stay illegally. Avoid, at any cost. If you do become illegal, then that is not a tenable situation, you will eventually run into the lamp. In the Netherlands it is no fun and in Thailand the consequences are simply inhumane.
I fully share your opinion. If the writer would have just been clear about the cause of his 10 month overstay, he might have gotten a lot less negative reactions. I already indicated that in my post of 19 November. I understand that the writer Ton has now also come to that realization. I appreciate that he has come to a different understanding now.
60 people on 16m2 is NOT possible and even 180 on 250m2 doesn't seem serious.
The above affects the truthfulness a bit.
I've been there 3 times. The rooms are estimated to be 8 x 14 meters, so about 112 square meters and usually 70 to 80 people. Then you also lie almost against each other in 4 rows. For me it was always just a few days. Best to survive, especially if you still have some money and you are not dependent on the embassy because they do nothing and you hardly ever see them. Most who have been there for a long time and would like to leave hoping for the visit of some clergy with great respect and who actually help, but only a few because it is at least a plane ticket to get away.