TB Immigration Information Letter No. 011/24: 90 days online reporting also accepted the first time
Reporter: Will
I have read here several times that you must submit the 90 day notification in person the first time at the local immigration office, and then it can be done online. Today I tried to make the first report online immediately. After submitting online, I immediately received a confirmation of receipt. And to my surprise, two hours later, a PDF file to insert into the passport, with the new date for the next 90 days notification.
So we succeeded, without having to wait in line for a while.
Reaction RonnyLatYa
That's right, you have already read that here and it was also stated that way on the immigration website. That's not something I'm going to figure out on my own.
In the meantime they have adjusted their text and it reads:
“The online service do NOT support if: – There have been a change of new passport. The foreigner have to make the notification in person or authorizes another person to make the notification at the immigration office located in the locality in which the foreigner have taken residence. After that, the foreigner can make the next 90 days notification by online service.”
https://www.immigration.go.th/en/
Apparently only in the case of a new passport.
It will also be refused under these circumstances:
“Conditions for not accepting requests for notification of residence more than 90 days online
– Incomplete data entered as required by the system.
– Not due for the next due date. (Apply after the previous petition is approved in 1 – 75 days)
– Submit a duplicate request within 3 days using the same user information while the status of the previous claim is pending.
https://tm47.immigration.go.th/manual/IndexForeign.html
In your case, it is also possible that your passport was already known at immigration and that may be why it was possible the first time, but it may also be due to changes in the regulations.
I would say to the reader, try it because it is simple and works fine and you will get a response from immigration if they have accepted it or not.
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Years ago I tried to do the online 90 day report. Never worked.
After reading a few articles, including on Thailandblog, I followed the manual and registered.
Very shortly afterwards I received an email that the registration had been successful and included a password.
I logged in and was told that the password was wrong.
Forget it
I always submit my 90 day notification online. Never encountered a problem. There was a period when their website was down, but otherwise no reason to complain. Much easier than having to drop by.
Afterwards you will receive an email with a document that you can print for your passport.
I would like to advise you to try again. However, the procedure is simple. Apparently you're doing something wrong Wim.
Just received an email from Immigration as a reminder to report my TM47, because the current one expires on March 1st. This service has been available since the introduction of online reporting. When logging in, enter the correct password yourself. If you receive the message that the password is incorrect, you are to blame and you cannot blame the system. By the way, blaming a system because you are impatient yourself is nonsensical. Furthermore, Chrome/Google/Windows offer many options that automatically generate a password that is difficult to copy. Both login name and password are then presented and entered into the relevant fields with a mouse click.
I also agree with your suggestion that Chrome can automatically generate a login name and password.
However, the message appears that the password generated by immigration is incorrect.
Tip:
If I receive a complicated combination, such as this one from immigration with the 90-day notification, I simply copy it and paste it into the log in. Then it is certainly correct.
You can always change your password later if you want
I feel the same way as Ronny. It is indeed a complex password. So it is here in a Word file with the link to the website.
When logging in: copy-paste and that's it. Always right.
I received a new passport at the end of last year.
Shortly afterwards I went to immigration in Chumphon for the transfer from old to new. I was immediately asked whether I could submit my next 90d report online or whether I had to come to immigration in person. The answer was: you can do it online. So I did that and no problem, it worked just like before.
Your next 90-day notification can only be done online after you have registered your new passport at immigration. You must therefore report in advance if you want to arrange this online. The logic itself…
You can never submit an online 90-day report if your passport is not yet in their system. And registering a new passport yourself via their website is not allowed, you have to go in person.
For me too, the first 90 days of notification went without any problem and very quickly.
You must make a difference between what is meant by a first report and a first online report. This has to do with whether or not your passport number is recognized.
A first 90 day report is when you make a first 90 day report with that passport.
An initial 90 day online report is as it says, when you make that report online for the first time.
But that does not always have to be the first notification with that passport. You may have previously completed 90-day notification(s) in the traditional manner and then your passport is already known in that 90-day database and you can therefore proceed online immediately.
Your passport is also known upon entry and if the databases are connected, your passport is also known in the 90 day notification.
Perhaps that is why it now also works with an online notification for the first 90 days.
But you can also have obtained a new passport in Thailand and then that passport is only known to immigration when you have the data transferred from the old to the new passport at immigration. From then on you should also be able to do it online with your new passport.
Every year there will be improvements in data exchange between the different databases and this should only become better and simpler.
Sometimes you receive that notification immediately. Standard says 3 working days. Will depend on when this is finalized by your immigration office.
I read above that there are people who save passwords in Word documents and copy and paste them when they need them.
In itself that is indeed a solution, but in terms of safety it is absolutely not recommended.
– What if your laptop breaks down and you have to send it to an external party for repair?
– What if your laptop is defective and cannot be repaired?
– In case of theft, anyone can read all your unencrypted data.
The best solution is still a password manager. There are free versions on the market and most importantly, they are reliable and safe.
Use it to your advantage.
Maybe repeat what I said before as a tip.
If you obtain a complicated password to log into a site, such as the 90 day notification, they are the ones who generate that password in the first place, not you or your password manager.
So you initially need that complicated password, which they send you, to log in for the first time.
To enter those complicated combinations correctly, I say it is better to copy the password that you receive and then paste it into that log. This way you can be sure that this complicated password has been entered correctly to access that site.
Once logged in, you can change that password as you wish. Whether this works with a password manager or is something you put together yourself does not matter.
Everyone has to decide that for themselves, just like where someone will keep their passwords.
And everything can be hacked, including a password manager.
I personally don't think it's a good idea to save URLs with associated login details in a Word document on your PC.
I was professionally active in the IT business and can only emphasize how important it is to always use difficult-to-guess passwords.
And if you say that password managers can easily be hacked, I have my reservations about that. These programs are super safe these days.
Anyway, everyone is welcome to save all their data in a local document so that everyone can easily access it (just as stupid as letting your browser save all your login details). Even good advice is apparently spoken against here. I don't lose sleep over it.
So where do I recommend saving this on a WordDoc, or if this would be a good idea?
I'm just giving a tip.
A tip when you receive a password from a site to log in for the first time. Then copy and paste that password to the login of that site. Especially if that is a complicated combination. This way you can't make a mistake about the combination.
You have no influence on that password the first time.
Then I say
“Once logged in, you can change that password as you wish.” Whether you use a password manager or not is up to everyone to decide for themselves. Also true that people want to keep it. By the way, I don't keep such data on my laptop.
Nowhere do I say that a manager password can be “just” hacked.
I'm just saying that everything can be hacked, including a password manager.
Being hacked is almost never the fault of a system that is used, because nowadays it is usually well protected in itself.
The user is the problem because that is and remains the weak link.
As a “professional active in the IT business” you will know that.
I certainly know that because I was active in Military Naval Communications for 40 years, of which IT became a part in the 90s. Although I have not followed developments since my retirement 13 years ago, I don't need to know that now.
By the way, I'm not saying anywhere that his advice is not good.