KLM staff not happy with second Airbus A380 from Emirates at Schiphol

With 150.000 passengers (on average) per day, an extra 70 passengers on an Emirates flight makes no difference (70 is the difference between a full Emirates 777-300ER and an A380).

KLM staff should be very concerned about the quality and skill of its management, because that is where KLM loses the battle. The arrival of low-cost carriers such as EasyJet and Ryanair did not properly assess the traditional airlines and they did not react well to it, even after 20 years. The only reason why KLM still exists is that their brand is very strong in the Netherlands. KLM is mediocre in terms of quality and service. Not to mention the price.

State aid? There is no official report (in the Netherlands, in the US or anywhere else) that proves that. It is a claim that is made and quoted elsewhere to make that point. Opponents of the Gulf carriers use that argument and refer to each other's statements, but repeating a lie doesn't make it true. Apropos state aid…. KLM partners in the US have been able to shake off their creditors thanks to Chapter 11 and are now making billions in profits. More than ever before, thanks to the support that the legislator (the government) offers them.

KLM has grown by picking up passengers in other countries and transporting them elsewhere via Schiphol. The “hub function”. Emirates, Etihad and Qatar have watched closely. But can you, as KLM, use the argument that Emirates “sucks countries dry” if that is more or less your core business?

KLM will have to optimize its route network (and cancel routes), modernize its fleet and most likely have to downsize its long-haul fleet and therefore also have to shed part of its staff. In addition, less will have to be paid. I wish everyone a top salary, but at mother AirFrance pilots earn up to 30% more than pilots at Emirates. At KLM, this will also be the case for pilots who have been employed for some time.

KLM cannot escape unpleasant measures and the staff translates this into accusations against Emirates in particular. They (rightly) fear for their jobs, but direct their anger at the wrong address. Who's next? turkish airlines? They have the same plans and have also ordered many new aircraft and the Turks are building a new mega airport in Istanbul.

I can only agree with Dennis on this. Unfortunately, KLM has remained stagnant in the years of silence, they have overpaid staff (nice for those people of course...), and they still fly with a largely outdated and therefore very expensive fleet. And the time when you flew KLM for good service and catering is now light years behind us. This is clearly a textbook example of mismanagement and missing the boat, and that is not Emirates' fault...

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Agree with Dennis' piece. Emirates is used as a lightning rod. Very dangerous because you will look less at your own toko. What I find striking is that Lufthansa and British Airways know how to fly money to their head office. Daughter Transavia has now changed into a kind of Thai Smile, according to the commercials on the TV. They now do everything with a smile if I can believe the advertising.

KLM is not a nice company, I will never fly with it again, at Schiphol I once had to repack everything because it had to be 3 suitcases or bags, total weight was fine, just to tease, I had to buy that extra bag quickly somewhere at Schiphol, my Thai wife 'married for 14 years' was suddenly with a stewardess 'your girlfriend', where our son, who was 7 at the time, was with. After that, all NL kids received a play set, but our son didn't, he was only a half Thai half NL child. The captain came later to apologize, I had against that 'your girlfriend has lodged a protest', the stewardess suddenly had to serve somewhere else. We fly with EVA air now, 100% satisfied, affordable, great. Bay bay too expensive KLM, and don't complain that Emirates are smart.

People here talk about the price of a flight to Bangkok and that KLM is so expensive, but it is not too bad in practice.

KLM is expensive, but especially if you depart from Amsterdam itself. Or rather, you have several direct alternatives and also cheaper ones if you are willing to make a stopover.

When KLM is strong, it is when you depart from somewhere else. For example, I always fly from Stavanger (Norway) and then you are stuck with a transfer anyway. Then KLM always comes out as the most favorable. If I were to go with Emirates then you would have an extra transfer and it would be a hassle that you would have to fly with 2 different airlines.

Actually, I don't really see the threat of that A380, as long as Emirates has little infrastructure within Europe.

As for the sentence: Emirates can buy aircraft through this state aid and offer cheap airline tickets", why is the fuel surcharge included in the KLM ticket prices not abolished now that oil prices are so low? This would also allow KLM to lower their airline ticket prices. But no, KLM will no longer let this source of income go, even though the reason why it was introduced is already outdated.

We also saw it at V&D: destroyed by management through wrong decisions and the exploitation of the company. KLM is the next V&D: old-fashioned and unfortunately superfluous.

Let KLM first invest on a large scale to renew its outdated and dilapidated fleet.
Emirates is not a top airline, but their Airbus 380 is a first-class experience for an economy-class price.

That Emirates has unauthorized support is less true than that KLM has always had “protection” at Schiphol.

KLM staff can also simply transfer to Emirates. Many Dutch people already work there.