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Home » Thailand in general » Reader question: Deduct Thai stepdaughter's living expenses from tax?
Dear readers,
I am a Dutch man living in Thailand for 8 months and in the Netherlands for 4 months. Married to a Thai in November 2014. This Thai has a 20-year-old daughter who studies at Chiang Rai University, where she also lives.
I pay her study costs of 90.000 THB per year and for her living expenses, a room, food, clothes and books, I pay 20.000 THB per month.
My question is: can I deduct these amounts from Dutch tax?
Regards,
Jacobus
I'm in the same situation, so I'm very interested in the responses
Hi James
I think this is a very strange question you choose to get married and then you want the taxpayers to pay with your choice.
And then with a daughter who is not Dutch
Why don't you ask the Thai father for help to pay.
And I think you are not entitled to anything because you are on holiday in the Netherlands for 4 months.
Even health insurance is becoming a problem.
Gr Rob
I have also discussed this with a friend.
But he also pays for stepson.
But certainly not as much as you.
He found 90.000 baht very high for study costs and then another 20.000 baht per month.
Are you sure you are not being used .
Because people with a good job earn less than 20.000 baht a month.
So don't let yourself be fooled.
Gr Rob
I think you are grossly underestimating information about the income of the Thai with a good job. Look up http://www.adecco.co.th/salary-guide.
I do not think so,
A) you must be a Dutch tax resident
B) if A is the case, at least more than 50% must be resident in the Netherlands in order to qualify for deductions
I would like to know, am in similar circumstances. My stepdaughter studies at the Ramkamhaeng University in Bangkok, which is also her hometown.
Dear James,
If you want to be 100% sure, you can inquire with the Dutch tax authorities.
But I think you are going a step too far, especially when it comes to food and clothing.
But according to Belgian standards, only the maintenance contributions upon divorce for your legal children are tax deductible.
Unless the Netherlands has other standards.
But it's nice of you that you want to pay those costs.
Good luck in advance.
Gino
Hello Jacobus, You are not allowed to deduct anything for your daughter who is studying.
See also website tax authorities. Maybe an option once a year you can donate an amount tax free.
Greetings Christina
Donating tax-free, within the applicable maximums, does not mean that you can deduct the donated amount from the tax. It only means that no gift tax is due on that amount.
If you stay in Thailand for 8 months (more than 183 days) per year, you are normally a tax resident in Thailand, right?
Dear James,
No, that is only possible in Thailand.
But if you live in the Netherlands all year round and your stepdaughter studies in the Netherlands, you can.
You cannot let the residents of the Netherlands pay for your expenses that you incur in Thailand.
Greeting.
When I lived in the Netherlands with my Thai wife, she also had a daughter who was studying at university. That was from 1997 to 2001. The study costs and living expenses that I paid, I could then enter as a deductible item on my tax return. I don't know if that is still possible, because a lot has changed since I went to Thailand in 2001. Inquire with a tax advisor.
However, I had to have proof of insolvency from the daughter, which we received here in Thailand from the municipality where she lived.
Unfortunately, until 2006 this was possible. At the time, medical expenses for here and there and up to the third degree were also deductible. Now no longer possible. As a chronically ill person, I used to receive an annual contribution towards costs. That too has been canceled since 2010 I think.
Yes, the tax authorities do make it easier for you.
James,
It may well be that I am (completely) wrong and/or everything has changed and you will find out about the current rules from another reader?
For my now 21 year old (step)daughter, I was able to 'deduct' study, living expenses and accommodation costs until she was 20.
Had to be able to show and prove that I had at least € 410 or € 480 per quarter costs for her.
So the bills, receipts and the like.
Always try.
Suc6, William
This probably also applies to your foreign child:
http://www.klaaskleijn.nl/nieuws-0606_aftrek-studerende-kinderen.php
But call the tax authorities, or even better: write a letter to the inspector, then you have 100% clarity.
Indeed, simply submit it to the Tax and Customs Administration – think of the Tax Telephone that was specially created for this purpose. Whatever answers and opinions you get on this blog, it is of no use to you if the Tax and Customs Administration has a different opinion.
Jacobus
Here I am again, … and with a correction.
Have you read the comments, so things seem to have changed quite a bit?
Until January 01, 2014 I was able to 'deduct' those costs.
So until her 18th and not 20th year.
Too bad, I think you're 'peeing next to the pot'?
I don't know about the Netherlands, but first of all "pissing next to the pot" has a completely different meaning in Belgium (cheating). Anyway, as far as Belgium is concerned, you can in any case stay abroad for a maximum of 6 months per year in order to be able to apply the normal tax rule. And this means that your wife - if she does not work - can be brought in as a "dependant". You will only be able to include the daughter in your tax return if you legally adopt her, and then she can be “dependent” on you as long as she studies and has no income of her own. Additional condition: she must legally live with you, but may stay abroad for her studies.
By the way, I don't think the cost you quoted is exaggerated at all. The costs for the university are correct and the additional expenses depend on where that university is located. Chang Rai will also not be the cheapest for apartment rental and living expenses, I assume. If she lives in a shared room, however, it's a different picture.
I wouldn't know based on which scheme you could deduct that.
YES
Dear James,
I am not an expert, but I know from experience that since the late 80s, no tax deduction is possible for these types of cases. It is also the case if you have a child together who was born in the Netherlands and in Thailand. You are then no longer entitled to child benefit. Apart from this, I think an amount of 20.000 Baht / month is rather on the (very) high side. The tuition fee per year has not been taken into account. You wouldn't be the first what if ATM is used.
Here too I speak from experience, but that does not mean that it always has to be negative.
All these questions are described on the website of the Tax and Customs Administration. As of 2016 much has changed.
study costs are only deductible if they are incurred for your own position!!
Used to be different. Then you could deduct study costs for children. So it's over.
So it does not matter whether it is a Dutch or Thai child: no deduction.
Just Google "study costs tax deduction child" and you can read it
I never really understand questions like this. If you are unsure whether or not it is deductible, you can choose to deduct it from your tax return. The tax inspector will correct you if it is not correct.
They often don't know at the tax telephone either.
You can deduct the costs up to the age of 18 up to a xxx maximum. I am almost certain that the amount of child benefit you could receive (also for children living away from home, even abroad) is a determining factor. After her 18th birthday it is no longer possible. You will therefore no longer receive child benefit. Call the IRS and they can tell you.
The answer is simple.
Until 2015, you may deduct a fixed amount per quarter for child support.
From 2016 this is no longer allowed.
Dear James,
I read that you have opted for the '8-4 scheme', ie: 8 months stay in Thailand and 4 months in the Netherlands. You did this very consciously, of course, in order not to lose your resident taxpayer status and to retain your Dutch health insurance!
Then you get a series of contradictory reactions to this, even negative. If you can still see the forest through the trees, I think that's very clever of you. You can easily dismiss most reactions: they contain incorrect or outdated information!
Tax legislation, but also social legislation, is constantly changing. It is important to you: what the regulations are like from 1 January 2015 and what that was like at the end of the 80s is of no importance.
A very simple answer applies to your question whether you qualify for a deduction for living expenses for income tax purposes. And that answer is: NO! As of tax year 2015, any form of deduction is excluded.
See the following link:
http://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontentnl/belastingdienst/prive/relatie_familie_en_gezondheid/relatie/alimentatie/alimentatie_betalen_voor_uw_kinderen/uitgaven_voor_levensonderhoud_kinderen_aftrekken
Although it concerns a 20-year-old daughter (of your Thai wife), I will still address some incorrect messages regarding the right to child benefit. As of 2015, that too will no longer apply if that child lives in Thailand!
See the following link:
http://www.svb.nl/int/nl/kinderbijslag/wonen_werken_buiten_nederland/beu/?sg_sessionid=1455015705_56b9c7196288a9.02001214&__sgtarget=-1&__sgbrwsrid=c2317fab630841131e077842de367f9a#sgbody-2495590
I have already entered the country of residence (Thailand) of the child here.
If you still have a question or even questions, please feel free to contact me via the contact form or e-mail address at:
http://www.lammertdehaan.heerenveennet.nl.
Have you officially adopted your stepdaughter? Because a lot has changed in recent years. I don't think you stand a chance but like others have said. Ask the tax authorities. Because we only believe it and don't know for sure.