Statement of the week: Not the embassy but the Thai bank should issue an income statement!
To simplify the application for an annual visa or extension, it would be better if the embassy no longer issues income statements at all. In principle, a statement from a Thai bank should be just as good, if not better. Mind you, this is not about the 800.000 baht deposit statement, but the monthly 65.000 baht statement.
Many Dutch people get visa problems every year because the embassy only wants to issue an income statement about the Dutch income. So if you have worked abroad for a number of years, you are faced with a major problem. The strange thing is that the Dutch tax authorities do want to know the income you received abroad. Measuring with two sizes….?
The easiest solution would be for the embassy to stop issuing statements altogether. This means less work for them and lower costs for applicants. It would be better if the Thai immigration service would also accept bank statements from their own banks, which have the advantage that they are also drawn up in Thai.
Anyone who cannot state these statements is apparently not legal here. You can still fiddle with the other options.
Hence the statement: “Not the embassy but the Thai bank should issue an income statement!”
If you agree or disagree with the statement, comment.
Totally disagree. We may be Belgian, but not all of our income is sent to Thailand. Our pension is paid into the Belgian bank. So we also pay a lot with our EU credit card. Only fixed costs that recur every month are on the Thai bank account. We therefore also report our general income every year.
Indeed, disagree. Could only be possible with the 800.000 baht in an account. Not everyone deposits their entire income in a Thai bank. In my case, my pension fund deposits into a Thai bank account and my AOW is deposited into a Dutch account. In such a case, the Thai bank cannot do anything.
Disagree, just like Nicky, we get our income in the Netherlands and certainly do not all pay it to Thailand.
We spend a large part outside Thailand and there are months when we certainly don't need THB 65.000 in Thailand.
So not for us, but it might be good that that method would also be sufficient.
Although this is also certainly susceptible to fraud, you deposit the money monthly and withdraw it again and a month later you deposit this amount again.
Totally disagree.
And to say that someone is not legally engaged if he or she cannot provide that statement is going just a bit too far for me.
I use the combination scheme, bank and income. But I myself transfer my money from my Dutch account to my Thai account, and that can fluctuate.
Hans van Mourik. say.
Partly agree with you.
If there are people who have a foreign income and who deposit their income monthly in a Thai bank, I say yes.
But there are also people, including me, who have a Dutch income, then have it deposited in a Dutch bank in Euros, I say no.
Then I find it easy to get this via an income statement from the Embassy.
Because then I don't have to transfer my money, 65000 thai bath, to a Thai bank every month.
Go to the Netherlands every year for a few months and then take cash back with you, for the time that I am here.
Hans
disagree…at the Belgian consulate, proof of 20.000 euros in a Belgian bank account is sufficient for an O visa…
Proof of income of the last 3 months (payslips, benefits, ...) of minimum 1500€ per month :
– If no payment: minimum 850.000 Thai Bath on an account in Thailand (proof may not be older than 1 month)
OF
– a Belgian savings account with a minimum of €20.000 OR a mix of accounts (! Attention: the accounts must be in the name of the applicant)
Attention — !! In some cases, a certificate of good conduct and morals or other additional documents may also be requested by the consular services !!
http://www.thaiconsulate.be/?p=regelgeving.htm&afdeling=nl
I think you are confusing obtaining/extending an 'extension' – either on the basis of retirement or on the basis of marriage – in Thailand with obtaining a visa in Belgium. This statement is not about the latter.
I simply use the annual statements that I receive from my benefits agencies. Maw has nothing to do with money at all. For Dutch people living in the Pattaya area, the Austrian consul can issue such a declaration upon presentation of these annual statements for a fee of approximately 1700 Baht.
Totally disagree!
My income comes into a NL bank account and I only use the Thai one for trifles.
How should a Thai bank know what your income is?
They can tell you how much money is being deposited into your account, but not what money it is.
This can also be money from your savings account, or from the account of one of your children, for example.
Assuming there are.
Different options depending on the situation:
1. For whom a fixed income with pension and state pension is sufficient, a copy of the tax assessment for the previous year should be sufficient evidence for the Immigration Office.
2. For other income, a statement of monthly income through the bank could suffice.
3. For those who have 400.000 THB (marriage) or 800.000 THB (pension) in the bank, a proof letter from the bank with a printout of the pages of the passbook is sufficient.
Issuing the income declaration by sending data, return envelope and transferring a fee for the Dutch embassy has been going well for me so far. But it is always exciting whether the income statement will arrive back (signed) at my address in Thailand. A lot can go wrong with all those intermediate steps. It remains cumbersome. I think it is certainly unnecessary if you fall under situation 1 above. Surely the Dutch embassy will also have access to income tax returns via digital channels such as “Mijnoverheid.nl”?
I don't agree with the statement at all.
For your income statement (this is now called a visa support letter) you must provide proof of your income. If you also have income from Germany, for example, you can obtain a statement from the German embassy, for French income you can obtain a French certificate, etc. etc.
Since we as Dutch people are especially careful, hardly anyone transfers their entire income to Thailand, but only enough for their needs here.
The extra remains safe in the Netherlands, after all, you never know what will happen here.
So let the embassy continue with their visa support letter and please leave the Thai banks out of it.
Absolutely DISAGREE!
Like so many above, my pension is paid into my account in NL, and I make monthly payments to my Thai account about what I think I need here, or pay extra if I have high costs.
I also have costs in NL that are automatically debited there.
Bad idea and in practice not feasible or useful for many!
do not agree with
my pension is paid in Belgium and when I need money in Thailand I transfer from Belgium
I don't know where you get this bright idea from...?
I have plenty of money in the bank in Thailand and Belgium, but I think the current arrangement is perfect!
Why then a proposal to change this usage … what is your problem with the statement from the embassy ??
Completely disagree. My AOW and SVB pension are paid into my bank account in the Netherlands. I only have what I need transferred to my bank account in Thailand. That is sometimes more and sometimes less than the 65.000 baht per month.
Completely disagree!
I have been deregistered in NL but (as long as that is still possible) I still have a bank account there where all my income has been deposited for years. In addition to the AOW, this income consists of three pension funds and a deposit payment. If I had these amounts deposited into my Thai bank account, it would cost me a lot every month in exchange rate changes and handling, not in proportion to the amounts. So I also prefer to deposit money from NL to the bank in TH once in a while.
But with that, the bank in TH. not showing my monthly income.
And what are the costs of an income statement? Once a year, in Pattaya through the Austrian consulate, 1600 Baht!
Well,
The Dutch Embassy switched from a signature legalization to an income statement, as I live 800 meters from the immigration office in Laksi, I had printed out all the bills from the SIAM bank and asked the local office to stamp it , they did this (for free) and also put a signature on every form.
I take the bundle and all other papers to the immigration office.
To my surprise it was not accepted, why? still a 100% proof that I spend 65.000 Bhat every month in Thailand, more and more people are there, but the boss, of the boss, insisted that I must have a statement from the Embassy. The female who processed it thought I was right, it is a 100% proof that I spend at least 65.000 Bhat every month, but yes the boss, the boss is ….. the boss.
So I go all the way from Laksi to the Embassy, as the papers from the SIAM bank show that I spend 100% more than 65.000 Bhat per month. Response from the Embassy, we can't do anything with this, we must have Dutch statements, with that we can we determine your income.
So I could go to Laksi again to print out the Dutch bank statements and the next day, back to the Dutch Embassy. Then rejoin the back at immigration.
Well, this is Thailand
Surely nobody asks to prove that you spend 65000 Baht or more monthly?
Your bank statement system would otherwise be very simple. You take out 65 Baht during the month and put it back in every month. This way you always work with the same 000 Baht.
Now an answer to your statement,
I receive money on a Dutch bank account and transfer money to Thailand every month, but I also pay with my Dutch VISA card and that is debited from my Dutch bank account.
So not all money “runs” through a Thai bank.
If there are two options viz. the Embassy and the Thai bank will be fine, but see my above, that does not work (yet) in Thailand.
Totally disagree.
There are even pension companies that do not want to transfer the pension to a foreign account!
Better would be either a statement from the embassy (whatever it's worth) or submission of bank statements. In my opinion, the bank statements provide a better insight into the income than the statement from the embassy.
Ultimately, the point is that the Thai authorities must test whether someone meets their standard. If they demand to receive a statement from the embassy, that is their business and their right. They had better ask themselves what that statement is worth. On the Dutch statement, the embassy expressly states that they do not wish to bear any liability for the correctness of the data. So if I received such a statement, I would already have no confidence in it. The Thai authorities seem to trust the Dutch authorities better than the other way around. Witness, for example, the hassle of formalities and guarantees if a Thai wants to go to the Netherlands for a (short) holiday with that Schengen visa hassle. Heavenly. Just provide those people with a visa on the same basis as Dutch people who go on holiday to Thailand. 30 days without further formalities. And enforce if there are violations. Just like in Thailand. Then you treat each other on the basis of equality.
The Dutch embassy only issues proof if the income can be checked by the Dutch tax authorities. Income from abroad therefore does not count. Embassies from many other countries do not issue statements.
Bank statements should be sufficient for the embassy, from the Netherlands or elsewhere. In that case, the embassy is not necessary and Immigration can check those bank statements no matter where they come from. A stamp from the bank and a translation should suffice. That way everyone has equal rights.
You are behind the facts: that clause that the embassy does not take responsibility etc etc. is no longer on the new support statement (just checked my copy) and as Maarten Vasbinder says, the embassy will not issue a statement if they have no proof of the income received. I also completely disagree with the statement.
What a cool cool. You are then forced to send a certain part of your income to Thailand? I am also well above the requirements, but after deducting the costs I have in Europe, would I no longer be able to live in Thailand, while I get by well?
Don't we have nothing left to do at home but think of stupid things?
Good luck, you try to get immigration to do something logical.. Although you can see for yourself in the answers above that it wouldn't work for many people. And so it doesn't even make sense.
Suppose it were.
How do you get the first extension?
After 2 months, the bank cannot prove that at least 65000/40 Baht is transferred to the account every month.
But I think the statement is more based on "we know better how things should be done".
This year I only had to see how they react showing my income statement from the Thai tax authorities.
At the extension of my retirement .
Was not accepted , so I took the backup out of my bag as before , letter of the bank plus bank book and the 800000 bath procedure for 3 months .
Even an FCD account in Euro with more than sufficient equivalent value than the 800000 bath and FCD statement letters of more than 3 months was also not accepted.
Jan Beute.
I agree, I receive a pension from the Netherlands, Belgium and France and now have to go to the Dutch embassy, the Belgian one (which I no longer go to because they refuse to give me an income statement because I do not have a Belgian passport.) I forget the French ones for the €42 they give me every 2 months. I now have to go to the Austria-German embassy because I also worked there for several years in a racing team but do not receive a pension, but I am treated very kindly! If I show at immigration that I have sufficient monthly income through the Kasikorn bank, this will not be accepted.
Another proposal from me is that every retired foreigner who has met all obligations regarding income for 5 years and can prove with a police report that he has never committed a crime or public drunkenness, driving under the influence, etc., will receive a visa for 5 years. or better yet 10 years without having to come back every month and every year. This would save them a lot of money.
Let the embassy keep this to themselves.
this works great for us expats who stay here for 6 to 8 months.
we use the internet with Dutch banks, so also the payments we have to make
we also receive the year and month statements every year.
Send these official papers and return 2000 bath (change) in the return envelope.
Within 1 week neat statement embassy in English made by them, so froude free in terms of income
we have our money in the bank in the Netherlands and withdraw money here if we need money.
Embassy tribute how it has now been resolved and the speed.
Thanks on behalf of all expats (vacation people)
Disagree!!
Nonsense, the embassy is doing a good job
So leave it as it is