Dear readers,
I had no problem with it: sometimes we didn't get water for three days. A few months ago I built two large tanks and they have not been empty so far. We also had water for longer periods as a result.
However, today we were shocked: our water consumption was suddenly 4x higher than every other month. And that while in our opinion we had not used more. So there must be a leak somewhere. Checked everywhere. These too were the same as in previous months and no more water came out.
Now I know what's going on: the water meter also measures the air that passes through such a pipe. It does not distinguish between air or water. So we pay for air! Who is guilty of that? Of course the water company that does not properly vent or maintain the pipes.
What can we do? The water meter told us to turn off the pipe if we weren't using water. Nonsense, because then we will have problems again if there is no water.
They must ensure that no air gets into the pipes. We can show how high our consumption is on the basis of our bills.
I have discussed whether there might be some construction that allows the air to escape from the pipe before it passes through the meter without the water leaking. Anyone out there have an idea? A golden tip?
Thank you in advance….
Jack S
Perhaps that bill is for the water you filled your water tanks with?
I can't imagine this is correct.
The gauge may move a little if there is air in the line, but nothing more. The energy that air has in a pipe is simply not enough to make the counter move.
There are automatic air vents. These are not as efficient and leak quickly. It seems unlikely to me that the water supplier will allow it to be placed in front of the meter. (Of course he has to come.)
Keep us informed!
Hi scarf
Bleeding your water pipe is very simple and not expensive.
You may be familiar with the CV installation.
You make a T piece for your meter and you put an automatic air vent (-\- 15 €) on it.
I think it costs 1500 baht in total.
I think that the air vent is not for sale here, you have to bring it from NL.
Greetings Rob
Your view is correct, Rob. But then there must be a shut-off valve in front of the meter and enough space in between to put a T-piece in between. Apart from that, it is not allowed to place anything in front of the meter that could influence the influence of the water supply and measurement. After all, up to the meter is the responsibility of the water supplier and after the meter is the responsibility of the consumer.
In my opinion, Sjaak should call in a plumber for a proper report and take that report to the water supplier for redress. It should always be borne in mind that the one making the claim must also provide the proof.
There are automatic air vents that you can place in front of the meter, you could also add a 2nd meter, if possible of the same model, brand, etc. and place it after the tanks so that you can compare the positions and know exactly how much goes in and out of the tanks (at the same tank level) and so knows whether it is indeed air or whether something is leaking
good luck, cee
Of course you can place a keg in front of the meter with a vent on top. Simply a valve on top of the keg, which you then vent every so often. Depending on the size of the keg and the amount of air. In that case, it is better to place the input a little more above the outlet of the vessel.
In any case, the water supplier is wrong, it has a leak in its system, as a result of which air is drawn into the water pipe by the injector operation. Perhaps this water supplier even has such an automatic air vent. Place the keg slightly above the water meter. Make sure that the vessel can withstand the prevailing water pressure
There are also automatic air vents.
http://www.tegro.nl/site/verwarming/Automatisch%20ontluchten%20van%20cv-installatie%20met%20SpiroVent%20luchtafscheider.20073031.html
It can just as easily be placed in a water pipe.
The fact that there is air in the water pipe does not have to be a fault of the supplier.
When water still came out of my tap, it often had too little pressure to shower.
So I placed a water pump past the meter, which sucks in the water.
However, in some cases, if it was completely hopeless with the water pressure, it could also suck the water from the neighbor's faucet if it was open, and then air.
Sjaak, I know that man who reads the water meter, he placed the meter the wrong way with me, so that he counted differently, I showed him that and you know what he said, since you have to turn off the tap then he no longer counts, mind He does have a saplot because he lives in the middle of it, and maybe Ruud is right and tell me how much water is in those tanks.
g wangpong .
With central heating you sometimes have air in the pipe, you solve that by installing a vent that works with a float when there is air the float goes down and the air escapes and when there is water the float goes up and closes he closed the opening
Maybe someone sabotaged your water pipe by connecting it with compressed air to trick you. Man man man.
Good luck with your combined air-water meter.
call 1111, that's the latest number if you object to something and no one responds to your objections.
What nonsense am I reading here….
Simply place an air vent in front of your meter…..
Think for a second!
Arjen.
Thanks for the many tips. Just a comment. Ruud, I've had my water tanks for a few months now, so it can't be that that's too much of this month. Moreover, I filled up my pond a year ago and then the highest consumption that month was 19 units (I don't know how much the figures represent, are cubic centimeters?) Our normal consumption is around 15 units. This month it was 75!!!
In the meantime I've been thinking about how I can assemble such a “vent” myself. However, an automatic is of course less striking.
I'm not going to ask the water company for long. They don't do shit when people complain. We had a pipe across the street that had been leaking for weeks. To be honest, I don't even know if it was repaired. The water just poured out of there.
I'm going to the Netherlands in a week. The automatic air vent will be on my list of things that I need to take with me. That list keeps getting longer!
tonymarony, do you also live in wang pong? Or are you the man who lives at our old address in Kao Kuang?
Thanks again for the responses!
25 years of Amsterdam water supply. The water meter does not run when air comes through. It only responds to liquid. When the pressure drops and the supply is minimal, he only records the Kubike meters.
Even a Chinese water meter. What often happens in Thailand is that there is a leak somewhere in the inner pipe. Through which water flows. All other stories are fables.
Cor van Kampen.
Cor, I don't want to challenge your expertise, but I also read the following: Mechanical meters.
Mechanical meters can be effected as above due to vibrations but also can record Air flow as well as water. For example there is a problem with the supply and your water has stopped running, you have left the tap on but nothing is coming out. now this is where simple physics come into play, you have to remember that you water meter is above the height of the mains supply which is probably buried under the road or footpath, so because you have left the tap open the water will siphon back down the pipework past your water meter and leave all the pipework full of air. When the water company fix what ever problem caused you to loose your water supply and start repressurizing the water system this will push air back threw your meter and cause the internal mechanism to spin wildly and record high usage. We all know air is thinner than water so less resistance means faster movement.
Mechanical meters can also suffer from number grabing, this is when one dial is turning and grabs the dial next to it and turns that too. So if your meter is reading 0009.999 as it turns to 0010.000 it grabs the dial to the left and turns that also so the read ends up being 0110.000 and your bill jumps by 100 cubic meters, which can be about £500 depending on your water supplier .
See: http://www.utilitybillguru.com/faulty-water-meter-or-leak/
So it is possible. I have already gone through the pipes. Surely you should see that there is a leak in the pipe, because all my water pipes are quite high underground. Unless a dripping tap registers consumption four times as high. But again, as far as I can judge, all the leaks were also a few months old and I'm not losing any more water than before. And if it were more, I can't imagine it being that much more. But who am I, a layman. I'm going to try it and if I use too much, I know it's us after all.
My girlfriend turned on the tap today, which is connected directly to the incoming pipe, and more air than water came out.
Drill a well yourself or have it drilled, then you have as much water as you want and only costs you a pump and electricity
I paid 65 bath for a well of 7000 meters and 12000 bath for the deep pump and pipe
and most importantly no nagging about bills .
Have you checked for possible leaks? be sure to pay attention to the meter if you do not use water; it can't run!
Sjaak, if you can see leaks, you need to repair them.
Maybe the following, you close all indoor taps and make sure you don't think you use water, then take a look at the meter, is it still running? Then you have a leak after the meter and before the indoor tap, even if you can't see it. You can also close all intermediate valves and then work per sector, perhaps you will discover an irregularity? Success.
Nico B
You will sometimes have to accept Thailand as it is. I recently had to refill my pool after a repair. The content 4x3x1.6 = 51,2 m3. About 1/3 part supplemented with your own water (deep well, well)
You will not believe it, but at the next settlement there were 165 m3 more on the counter! (310 bath). Now I am not concerned with the amount, but with the incorrect counting of the meter. And of course no solution or explanation or attempt to do so with the responsible authority. It just lacks knowledge and initiative.
I just bought a new meter (450 B) and placed it in front of it. What turned out now; The new meter showed 30% less! So this was only a partial solution. Conclusion: the Thai cubic meters are smaller and it will stay that way!
By the way, I also suspect that the Kilowats in Thailand are also smaller! But whether it makes sense to test that, I don't really believe in that.
Gr. Martin
165 m3 of water for 310 Baht?
Can I lay a pipe to your house?
Then I pay double for the water.
4 x 3 x 1,6 is 19,2 m3 by the way
Forgot something!
Sometimes liters of fuel can also be smaller in Thailand at certain gas stations.
My gardener has a loyalty card from a nearby gas station, the more liters he buys, the greater his advantage (125 cc motorcycle). I think I'll help him out. Give me your card and I'll fill up the tank, maximum 60 liters. The meter had been on reserve for a long time and from experience I knew that 58 liters would go in. But what a surprise for the gardener, his bonus card was upgraded by no less than 72 liters! So you are cheated for 20% and you get a discount of 10%.
conclusion: Don't take any action, don't put yourself in danger!
Hello, I don't know if it will help you, but for the central heating (central heating) there are automatic vent valves that let the passing air escape but do not let water through,
The disadvantage is that you have to place it in front of your water meter and I don't know if that is allowed
Greetings Hank
There must be a pressure difference before and after the meter..and for liquids very little and for possible air you really need a lot of pressure difference.It is very simple. You have a leak after your meter.
such a water meter is a cogwheel meter, 2 oval matching cogwheels which let a certain amount through when flowing through. When air enters the chambers, this will flow through at an accelerated rate until water enters again. But this is counted on the meter. If you have air in your system, this should make itself known at your tap. Then it comes out in fits and starts.
The pressure difference is created by opening a tap or leakage in your home. Since the pipes have been checked and no leaks have been found, air remains in the system for more counting, but only when taps (water) are used
Leakage can be seen when all taps are closed and the meter is therefore stationary. If not, there is a leak, but assume that has been checked. The most obvious check. .