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Home » Reader question » Reader question: No Thai birth certificate, now what?
Reader question: No Thai birth certificate, now what?
Dear readers,
My Thai girlfriend took care of everything for emigration to the Netherlands and requested all documents and had them translated. Passed her civic integration exam. Got an MVV and TEV here from the IND. Now register in the municipality of Almere for a BSN number.
This is not sufficient for the employee at the municipality, there must be an original birth certificate, so no registration. And if it is not arranged within 3 months, we will be fined approximately € 350
Think that more people have lost their birth certificate and Thai municipalities only issue copies, no longer originals. So what now?
Does anybody have experience with this?
Regards,
Color
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Dear Cor,
That civil servant apparently does not know the rules and should read the BRP law again... A birth certificate is not necessarily necessary (but handy and therefore preferable) for registration in the municipality. I quote from my file “immigration Thai partner”: “Registration in the Municipal Personal Records Database (BRP) of the municipality can take place on the basis of the birth certificate, the declaration of the person concerned or ex officio, according to the Basic Registration Persons Act.”.
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You don't have to worry about a fine. And your municipality must simply issue a BSN ASAP. That BSN is necessary for many things, such as registering with the health insurer.
Regarding the birth certificate, the Thai municipality can issue a statement that the certificate has been lost/missing and is no longer available. Of course you need a passport and 2 witnesses, as is the case in Thailand. Have that official statement translated into English (or Dutch, French, German) and have both legalized by the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Dutch Embassy. But you can take care of that during a future visit to Thailand.
For now; your municipality simply has to register her, the municipality must even do so within 5 days of arrival (but some municipalities do not take this very seriously, legal deadlines…).
The officials sitting at the counter are not fully competent. In a discussion, I asked for her boss. It was called in with some reluctance, and the fact that I made an official declaration is enough to accept it! Because there are severe penalties for filing a false report. So yes, someone who has just studied the law a little more has had it added. Request an appointment with the mayor or alderman in an emergency! Good luck!
I would ask the municipality if they can give you your original birth certificate.
No, of course not, you always only get a certified printout from the civil registry file, why would that be any different in Thailand, I would ask?
Dear Cor,
Something similar happened to me in January. I got married in Thailand last year and had documents translated and legalized at Min. of Foreign Affairs in Thailand and then at the embassy. Total costs incl. flight from CM to BKK > Eur 500 and days.
Upon arrival in NL, I went to Hof van Twente town hall where I have a house and I am registered in the BRP.
The documents relating to my wife consist of proof of my wife's name change (surname) translated by a sworn translator, a copy of the marriage certificate with a seal from the Ministry indicating a Certified Copy, all together sealed with stamps, etc., so indissoluble. Embassy again apostilles on it with stamps. We can't make it more fun. At the appointment at the town hall, the lady at the counter looked at everything with great suspicion, turned the documents 5 times, touched the papers and then said she could not accept it. What are you looking for? Signs of authenticity, but they have already been issued, see the apostilles, I have nothing to do with it, I must have the originals. Do you read Thai?
Consequence now 6 months later still not registered so I can't let my wife come over either.
Complaint submitted to the municipal clerk who was then handled by the same lady (seems like SVB) and of course rejected. Now it is before an “Independent Commission of Inquiry” for appeal.
If he rejects it, I will go to the Administrative Court. Are they completely out of whack in NL? What is the embassy good for then?
Regards,
Dick41
in the past I had only had a copy legalized in foreign affairs in Bangkok and then had it translated
greetings
guido
I also had such a joke with the municipality, had left the original birth certificate in Thai, they should have thrown it away if I could go to Thailand to get a new one during the holiday, went to the municipality in Thailand where they had the birth was indicated was no problem is accepted here
Cor,
You can get a replacement birth registration from the subdistrict court in the Netherlands.
This cost in 1995 fl 80, - and can be used for anything. In my case that was for a marriage in the Netherlands. Remember that you must be able to demonstrate that everything has been done to obtain the original in Thailand. The municipal official helped me with this.
Good luck,
French
When my wife came to the Netherlands permanently in 2014, we were also present at the municipality. Then had the complete IND file with me including a translated and certified copy of the birth certificate.
This had therefore already been checked and approved by the Dutch embassy and the IND. But the official of the municipality of Veldhoven was not satisfied with that. He insisted on the original birth certificate. I thought here we go, that will be a trip to Thailand to pick this up.
Fortunately, my girlfriend had been smart enough to bring the original birth certificate from Thailand.
So a few days later I was again at the municipality with a laminated Thai birth certificate.
In my opinion a rag and of course only in Thai. The official took it and I wanted to give him the translated and certified copy. However, he did not need this, he must have been able to read Thai.
When I asked if I needed any other papers in the future to want to get married, the answer was negative. She was now registered in the civil registry, so marriage was no problem.
You guessed it. Five years later we were at the municipality to get married and yes, we would like the original birth certificate. Delivered this with a deep sigh, after which they investigated it for 2 weeks before we could go into marriage.
It is a mess in Almere anyway at the civil affairs department. Cause: a new IT system that doesn't work. It wouldn't surprise me if registering and issuing a citizen service number therefore fails.
Source: https://www.omroepflevoland.nl/nieuws/243591/marechaussee-overspoeld-door-almeerders-voor-nooddocument