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Home » Reader question » Questions about emigrating to Thailand?
Questions about emigrating to Thailand?
Dear readers,
Can you simply connect a washing machine from the Netherlands in Thailand? Can I have my pension transferred to Thailand via ING bank and Transferwise or is it cheaper to have the money transferred directly to a Thai bank every month?
Can you also file your tax return from Thailand electronically?
Regards,
Sahibu
You can simply connect a washing machine, but you will have to put an adapter plug in between to have earth. These are available from HomePro, among others
You can simply use a washing machine from the Netherlands in Thailand, make sure you buy the right detergent in Thailand, they have 2 types, 1 for washing machines (reduced foam) and 1 type for the open washing machine, comparable to the slow-washer of formerly which is most common in Thailand.
I would have money transferred once every 3 months because of the transfer costs, you must have a buffer to be able to do this.
Pension authorities do not transfer money to foreign accounts.
As soon as you move (emigrate) from NLD, your digi ID login at the tax authorities no longer works (so no).
Of course the Digi D still works normally. All you have to do is provide a Thai mobile number, on which you can receive the code
Why isn't it working anymore? few posts further and also my experience is that it works fine from Thailand
Pension authorities do not transfer money to foreign accounts.
My pension institution knows nothing about that, because it will be paid into my Thai bank account from my first pension payment. And because they send it directly to that account, no social premiums are deducted from it, which saves a lot of money.
That is nonsense that it cannot be deposited into the Thai account, the bank rack. Must be canceled in the Netherlands. How do the emigrants get their money then???
No No this is not true at all. Today I just helped a friend for his pension from the Zorg & Welzijn pension fund. Can have it transferred to a Dutch account in the Netherlands and the next question was > If you want the money on a FOREIGN ACCOUNT, enter the account number and the name of the bank here!!!!!!@! Furthermore, all pension funds transfer money to a foreign account. They do charge extra for that.
DigiD: this also works abroad. I can access MIJN Overheid.nl/SVB and the tax authorities without any problems.
So don't understand how you got that information.
Complete nonsense, both my AOW and both PME and PMT pensions are transferred flawlessly to my Thai bank account every month, my DigiD also works as it should.
Marcel, don't sell nonsense please,,,Pension from, for example, PFZW is simply transferred to a Thai account if you want, they charge small costs for this.
Digi D works anywhere in the world.
Have been living in Thailand for years and since the introduction of DigiD it works fine with the tax authorities, which also sends the well-known blue envelope, I have been deregistered and receive a pension, so DigiD just works.
Many pension institutions do transfer your pension to Thailand.
What do you do Digid just works here just like anywhere else in the world.
Wrong! DigiD simply works here. In fact, I got it through the website of the SVB. Send my Life Certificate to the SVB via DigiD. I also have a message box at Mijn Overheid. Do you have Internet everything works as it should.
Not true, your dig d works normally and your pension or state pension can simply be paid into a Thai account, even then the state pension will be paid on the 15th of the month
Well, our Sharp KS-ZT18 rice cooker from Thailand has been working here in the Netherlands for years, but it just needs a different plug, so I assume that if you have electricity in Thailand, your washing machine will also work there.
Of course you also have to have water 🙂
Even in Thailand they sell washing machines, but you already knew that
The washing machine can be connected without any problems if you put a different plug on it. Incidentally, I think it is much cheaper to just buy a new one in Thailand.
The tax return can simply be done via the computer, provided you have a digid number.
It's possible, but I wouldn't bring a washing machine with me. You wash here automatically at 30 degrees due to the heat and those things are dirt cheap here.
Transferring yourself via ing and transferwise yields more baht and tax returns can also be submitted electronically here.
Why only wash at 30°? There are roughly 2 types of washing machines here.
The top loader with cold water and the washing machine as we know it.
I just do, just like in Europe, the white laundry at 60° or 90°
Just like us, you will find washing machines in all types and prices. Even very large ones weighing 15 kg.
Be careful with detergent. If there is a picture of a washing machine with a front loader, it is good. The other is only suitable for top loaders.
I even have a tumble dryer for nice fluffy towels.
A washing machine as we usually know it in NL really does not cost much more than in NL.
We have an Electrolux for Thb 21.000.
We also usually just wash “cold”, which is sufficient for most laundry.
We also did everything at 20 degrees in NL except bed linen and towels / tea towels.
Today the detergent is better than 30 years ago.
You can connect all electricity without any hassle in Thailand. You can possibly put an overvoltage protection and / or overcurrent protection in between.
However, you can ONLY take “used” items tax-free. Washing machines and electricity are only allowed tax-free upon emigration and/or return of a Thai who has stayed abroad for a long time (more than 1 year).
I am also considering transferring everything from the Netherlands to Uttaradit (possibly Jomtien and/or Bangkok). Feel something for shared with someone from the Netherlands.
If you are interested and or have questions.
Otherwise mail to [email protected]
I don't know if you have already contacted a forwarder for your stuff.
Depending on where you want to take it to, this will cost quite a bit. 20 feet or 40 feet is almost the same.
A 20 foot container or a 40 foot container does not make much difference in price. If you do it all yourself. Saves 20 euros at 40 or 500 feet. The question is from where to and whether you pack it yourself or have it done. So when divided by 2, it's very interesting to do it together.
I already have some ideas about price and these are less than 1 month old.
1. Pack yourself a 20 (25m3) a 40 (50m3) foot container globally 4500 Euro (Transpack forwarding)
1x 20ft loaded by you with export-packaged removal goods at home in Eindhoven, until cleared and transported to Wang Thonglang's home, to be unloaded by you. €2.518,00
Idem 40ft container 1,00 flat € 3.050,00
Additional costs up to Uttradit 20/40ft. is a 700 km. €957,00
Quotation is based on a 20ft./40ft. container
This quote includes:
• Trucking to the address in Eindhoven, 2 hours free for loading, then € 70,00 per hour
• Trucking to the port of Rotterdam
• Format export documents
• Draw up Bill of Lading
• Standard Rotterdam port charges
• Solas weighing duty
• Sea freight Rotterdam-Lat Krabang
• DTHC
• Normal Thailand customs clearance charges
• Trucking from port to home in Bangkok, 2 hours free for unloading, then payable locally.
This offer excludes:
• Packing/standard dismantling/drawing up packing list/packing material/loading
• Unpacking/assembly/unloading
• Any costs resulting from poor accessibility (such as parking permits, shuttle service, removal lift)
• Any customs inspections in the Netherlands or Destination
• Possible costs for storage and handling
• Any detention and demurrage costs/port storage
• Possible import duties/taxes
• Transport insurance, with limited coverage can be taken out via Transpack at 1,70% over the specified value,
value of the transport. Min. Premium Euro 75,00, excess of Euro 150,00 per event. Covers against consequences of:
total loss, total theft and general average.
2. A 25m3 is a 20 ft container or half a 40 ft container Packed and possibly shared with someone else (Windmill forwarding).
Price indication:
25 m3 in a seaworthy groupage container from house to house
On the agreed day we will collect the goods from you and take care of this to your house for the total amount from house to house € 4.795,00. 0% VAT due to export outside the EU € 0,00
Surcharge per m3 if desired from house to house € 185,00 0% VAT for export outside the EU € 0,00
Additional price packaging by our employees including the necessary packaging materials € 40,00, this is subject to 21% VAT.
Insurance:
We always recommend that you take out insurance for an international move. We can offer you an All Risk insurance for 2,3% of the written value of your household contents with a minimum premium of € 75,00. The deductible is € 150,00.
Separate rules apply to finances relating to pension and state pension and/or other benefits, depending on where the money comes from.
for benefits via the SVB, have them paid out via the CAK
for benefits via the UWV, have them paid out via the CAK
This preferably directly into a “foreign” account, depending on the payment, this can be tax-free.
AOW is no idea for me for later.
Pensions are insurance money in principle taxable in Thailand and no longer in the Netherlands if you have it paid out there.
I have IAW and this is tax-free when deregistering in the Netherlands. Whether I would live in Belgium or to Thailand. This has been contested for years, but a court ruling is now pending.
I even have a written statement that my IAV-WIA benefit is tax-free.
Oh I already receive my benefit from Belgium tax free. If I start living in Belgium, this will become taxable again.
If you receive a government pension, it is always taxable in the country where you accrued it. This is internationally established. ABP government pension will always remain taxed in the Netherlands.
Unfortunately
OTHER pensions, so NO ABP, so tax-free?
I understand you have questions. But if you just go through Thailand blog and search here you will see many swipes answered.
The questions about transferring money etc are regularly discussed.
Emigration is a little more than a question about connecting a washing machine in Thailand. These items have also passed by so often.
You can simply connect the washing machine, but take the water connection hose with you because they are not or difficult to find here. Taps with screw thread for the hose are simply available here.
Transferring your pension is no problem either. Personally, I just have it transferred to my ING account and then deposit it every month to my Thai bank in euros. Costs in NL € 6.00
Costs in Thailand disappear at the more favorable exchange rate.
Tax returns can of course also be made from Thailand via the internet.
Personally, I have not heard from the tax authorities for 10 years and I think it is good that as a non-resident taxpayer there is nothing to recover.
Wish you luck with the move
You can undoubtedly connect a washing machine (via an adapter plug), but check the amperage of your meter cupboard and check the water pressure.
Having your pension paid into your ING account and then transferring it yourself via TransferWise is cheaper.
Your normal tax return can be done electronically, but your M-form in the year of emigration will come by post and must be returned by post.
Good luck with the emigration !!!
It would save a lot of searching if there was a section on this site:
Living/migrating to Thailand.
All relevant topics.
Now you have to search by topic with the risk that many important things are not viewed.
Dear Sahibu,
1) Don't transfer a washing machine from NL, right?
Calculate transport costs and possibly have to pay 300% import taxes here.
For 8.000 bath you have a good Thai washing machine with a dryer next to it.
A fully automatic machine for 20.000 baht.
2) It is best to transfer money with Transferwise when the exchange rate is the best.
With them you can transfer the amount from ING NL to the German Handelsbank for free as it is a SEPA transfer.
3) As a Belgian deregistered in Belgium, I do my tax return online.
For NL it is best to inquire at your tax office.
I wonder how many correct/incorrect responses you will get.
Good luck in advance.
Gino.
There are people who ship complete household goods and that includes a washing machine,
We had a large container incl. Miele washing machine and dryer.
Why would you buy extra when you can take it with the rest
@ Nicky,
If you have done this recently, can you tell us who arranged it for you and what the costs were?
Thanks in advance
Jos
Sorry, this has been 9 years already. We lived in France at the time. A super-sized truck in front of the door. Packing for 3 days, then by truck to Rotterdam, where everything is transferred into a large container, then shipped to Bangkok, then brought to the Moo Baan on smaller trucks.
Everything unloaded and furniture in place. A day and a half of work with 6 men. Then team everything. 8000 euros.
PS. My washer and dryer are still running
@Nicky
Then you think you're screwed. I have two Dutch forwarders which both offer more or less the same for a 3000 Euro with a 40 ft container 2500 for a 25 ft and in Thanland for 70 km a 1000 Euro
If you read MY message you will see the exact prices of TWO forwarders. Quotations NOT yet 2 weeks old.
Depends on the size and what you're doing.
forwarders; Windmill and Transpack
1. Pack yourself a 20 (25m3) a 40 (50m3) foot container globally 4500 Euro (Transpack forwarding)
1x 20ft loaded by you with export-packaged removal goods at home in Eindhoven, until cleared and transported to Wang Thonglang's home, to be unloaded by you. €2.518,00
Idem 40ft container 1,00 flat € 3.050,00
Additional costs up to Uttradit 20/40ft. is a 700 km. €957,00
Quotation is based on a 20ft./40ft. container
This quote includes:
• Trucking to the address in Eindhoven, 2 hours free for loading, then € 70,00 per hour
• Trucking to the port of Rotterdam
• Format export documents
• Draw up Bill of Lading
• Standard Rotterdam port charges
• Solas weighing duty
• Sea freight Rotterdam-Lat Krabang
• DTHC
• Normal Thailand customs clearance charges
• Trucking from port to home in Bangkok, 2 hours free for unloading, then payable locally.
This offer excludes:
• Packing/standard dismantling/drawing up packing list/packing material/loading
• Unpacking/assembly/unloading
• Any costs resulting from poor accessibility (such as parking permits, shuttle service, removal lift)
• Any customs inspections in the Netherlands or Destination
• Possible costs for storage and handling
• Any detention and demurrage costs/port storage
• Possible import duties/taxes
• Transport insurance, with limited coverage can be taken out via Transpack at 1,70% over the specified value,
value of the transport. Min. Premium Euro 75,00, excess of Euro 150,00 per event. Covers against consequences of:
total loss, total theft and general average.
2. A 25m3 is a 20 ft container or half a 40 ft container Packed and possibly shared with someone else (Windmill forwarding).
Price indication:
25 m3 in a seaworthy groupage container from house to house
On the agreed day we will collect the goods from you and take care of this to your house for the total amount from house to house € 4.795,00. 0% VAT due to export outside the EU € 0,00
Surcharge per m3 if desired from house to house € 185,00 0% VAT for export outside the EU € 0,00
Additional price packaging by our employees including the necessary packaging materials € 40,00, this is subject to 21% VAT.
Insurance:
We always recommend that you take out insurance for an international move. We can offer you an All Risk insurance for 2,3% of the written value of your household contents with a minimum premium of € 75,00. The deductible is € 150,00.
If you send the washing machine to Thailand, do so with the power outlet included.
Or buy a new (earthed) socket in the Netherlands before you move.
Decent sockets are hard to come by in Thailand.
If you own or buy a house, you could consider equipping your entire house with decent Dutch sockets.
The regular light switches are not a problem in Thailand.
They are of good quality.
My pension will be transferred directly to Thailand.
The tax authorities had to do that, and I also find it very handy, because then I don't have to transfer it myself.
I file my tax return in the Netherlands via the computer.
Because I don't have a DigiD, this is done with a login code.
You can request this from the tax authorities.
It is probably useful to apply for this before emigration – if possible.
Ruud,
You speak of a socket with earthing.
But I have never seen an electrical installation according to NL/BE standards here in Thailand.
By that I mean a residual current switch (differential) and that all electrical lines, as well as sockets / light circuits, are equipped with an earthing conductor.
So your explanation is totally wrong.
Technical info, I already have a changeover switch from washing machine to dryer due to overload per group. I also take waterproof toilet and plugs with me to prevent fork formation / short circuit.
Do I also need to bring parts for the drain of my dishwasher?
Can you also purchase the surge protector in Thailand?
What I Did Years Ago.
Things that have emotional value to me, things that you are attached to.
Transfer these by container to Thailand.
And certainly no dragging washing machines, couches, TV and rice cookers.
The necessary sold to the thrift store, give stuff away to good acquaintances, and the rest with the bulky waste.
Jan Beute.
And as for the question regarding the tax .
You can believe it or not here in Thailand also paying taxes on your income to the Thai tax authorities is just as easy.
And the tax rates are even more favorable .
Unfortunately, this does not apply to government benefits such as AOW and ABP fund.
Been doing this for years , no more nagging with those people we can not make it easier but we can make it more difficult .
And as far as the banks are concerned, if you bank with the state bank ABNAMRO, you will no longer be welcome there after your immigration.
And as far as the sockets are concerned, these round side earthers, well known in Holland, are also available here, even at the local electrical shop in my village.
Jan Beute.
I have asked ABNAMRO if they can give me the legal definition of the term “living” in Thailand.
After all, the law the ABNAMRO invokes is based on “living” in Thailand.
And living is a complex concept.
I think they are still looking.
I couldn't find him either.
Not even with the IND, the central government and a legal helpline and a political party.
It would be laughable if the government has made a law about living abroad, but cannot tell what the term “living” means.
Then, in my opinion, the whole law will disappear down the drain, along with many more laws.
Emigrating OUT of the Netherlands is not the same as immigrating IN Thailand.
Those are two separate things.
Dear Ruud, I was more than fed up with that nagging from ABNAMRO, and then quietly packed up at the end of the 6-month period.
Why bother so much, they don't want anything else with their self-turned ego.
There were around 15000 customers worldwide who had to disappear.
I think it cost them quite a few euros in business.
But yes, many of those new fortune seekers will return to the Netherlands as a new customer, because the monthly payment from the Soos has to go somewhere.
Jan Beute.
The €6.= costs from ING (message Tooske) are incorrect, ING asks €25.= + that €6.=. Transferwise is therefore much cheaper!
DigiD: possible in Thailand. You do have to check the time on your smartphone or laptop to the Ned. time, otherwise you will not be able to log in. And when you're done, back to Thai time.
That € 6 is correct if you choose to share the costs when transferring. In that case, your Thai bank will also charge something – as you can also see from Tooske's response – but in the end it will usually be cheaper than paying all costs to ING.
Strange, because that E 25 is not on the MINING site. The costs are 0,1% of the amount to be transferred, provided that it is per MYING (it costs a little more per manual entry…). min 6, max 50 euros. In Thailand, the costs of the local bank are added. Kasikorn asks 500 baht. An amount of 10.000 euros will therefore cost you 10 euros ING and 500 baht to Kasikorn.
Logging in to DIGID is also possible in Thailand if the local time is on the PC. Never had a problem with it.
What kind of nonsense is this about the DigiD, you can log in 24/7 (unless hackers are active again like last week).
Well,
Enter at ING; “costs beneficiary”, then the costs are € 6,=
€ 25,= is added to this for “costs for the sender”.
I have been using DigiD in Thailand for 7 years, on my laptop and have never adjusted the time, DigiD works 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Just on Sunday morning, 8 am Thai time on my laptop, I logged into 'My SVB' without changing the time.
Do
If you share costs with a foreign transfer, you only pay the € 6.00
The costs at the Thai bank thb 500 disappear at the more favorable exchange rate.
About DigiD I don't understand why you have to change your time zone, I don't do that either and can just log in to all government institutions.
Hi Will,
I have only lived in Thailand for 11,5 years so could be wrong but:
ING really only charges Euro 6 in costs when using SHARE. My Thai bank charges 0,25% with a minimum of Thb 250. Where the Euro 25 you mentioned at ING comes from is a mystery to me and I never had to pay.
DigId: why wouldn't you be able to log in with a smartphone on a computer that is on Thai time is also a mystery to me. I can just log in without changing time to Dutch time.
I just checked whether an extra €25 was debited somewhere after my transfer dated 23/07 to Thailand via ING.
Only € 6 has been debited. So here again the question: How did you get that wisdom that the ING € 25 + € 6 is a total of € 31??
As for the washing machine: pay attention to the water pressure.
It has been said before, but just to be clear, sometimes the water pressure is so low that I don't think a washing machine from the Netherlands can run on it. They expect a certain input.
Well,
Why have a washing machine come over from the Netherlands, they cost 10.000 Bhat new here, you only pay much more for shipping costs + import.
1. If I pay all costs at ING: €25.= + €6.= The “wisdom” (Harry N.) comes from ING itself.
2. Last year I could never log in via DigiD. Called them then, and they gave that conversion of time as the reason. Did that the following year and everything went fine. I choose the first choice for logging in: “I want to log in with username and password”.
Just bought a new Electrolux front loader here in Thailand for Baht 12000-. Fully automatic, so why bring it from NL?
And they were also in France? 700km. From Rotterdam? Have 3 days of packing and lugging with 2 men? Then reload everything in Rotterdam. We could not. No container in front of the door.
I also know that if you do everything yourself, it can all be much cheaper. But if you pack yourself, you are not insured, unless you take out separate insurance. Costs x number of percent of the value. I even want to invite you to come and see our house. Then you will see what is fragile packed by them.