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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Am I punishable because I first married before the Buddha?
Dear readers,
Last week I noticed something in the news about an Islamic marriage that was under discussion; namely that it is not permitted without there also being a civil marriage. Because I only married my Thai partner before Buddha, I wanted to investigate this further and found on the internet / wikipedia, the following explanation:
In both the Netherlands and Belgium, legislation since the Napoleonic era stipulates that no religious (ecclesiastical or otherwise) marriage may be celebrated without a prior civil marriage: No religious ceremonies shall take place before the parties have show that the marriage was solemnized before the registrar of births, deaths and marriages. In Belgium, the constitution stipulates this, while in the Netherlands this provision is included in the Civil Code.
My question now is: Although our Buddha wedding took place in Thailand, am I still punishable (together with many others)?
Regards,
Khaki
I don't think so. Marrying for Bhudda is just a ceremony nothing more. Has no legal value.
When will we leave behind the terms 'Buddha marriage' or 'marriage for the Buddha'?
The traditional wedding in Thailand takes place in front of the community, usually led by some village elders. You swear allegiance to each other, etc. in front of the community. That's what it's about.
The monks come to brighten it up with some prayers, that's all. They have no role in the ceremony itself. In all the texts during the ceremony, the Buddha is not mentioned. It is a secular, worldly, not religious event.
You can also perform this ceremony without monks. It is then equally valid for the community.
Yes, getting married for the Buddha is about the same as getting married for Peppi and Kokki (Bassie and Adriaan are also allowed). It has no value other than an emotional one.
With all due respect, Khun Peter, you are mistaken. This traditional marriage has the most value for the Thais in all respects. It is prepared and celebrated. After this they live together and share joys and sorrows. The legal marriage on the amphoe is a formality that lasts half an hour and is not celebrated.
I say that, it has emotional and ceremonial value, but no legal one. Just like with us in the Netherlands, the church wedding used to be.
Yes, but this response is a bit more civilized than your first. I experience that in the area where I live, a commitment has just as much value for Buddha as a 'legal' one. To be clear - I personally don't care.
I know couples in the Netherlands who also got married in church after the civil marriage. Not because they were Catholic, but they found that so romantic. In my opinion hypocritical. Well, everyone should do what makes them happy.
In the blessings of the monks there is ultimately a bond with Bhuda.
Everything they do revolves around Bhuda, and a blessing not done in the name of Bhuda will be worth no more than a personal congratulations from a monk.
The term in itself is therefore not so unjustified.
Getting married for the village elders is no longer a marriage these days.
The marriage must be registered with the amphur.
Only then is it a legal marriage.
Otherwise it is just a promise, even if it is called "marriage".
Incidentally, there are still many marriages that have never been officially registered, only for community purposes.
But that will probably die out on its own in the future.
Governments want to have everything properly registered.
The term "marriage for the Buddha" does not exist in Thai. It is simply called kaan taeng ngaan or kaan somrot. Thai women fool farang men.
I think the exact opposite of what you're saying is happening. Fewer and fewer people are getting married and also in Thailand people often stay far outside their own circle, family/village, etc. It is less obvious to get married, people live more together without a marriage. The social pressure is getting less so I think the need to get married is also getting less.
Just as Belgian law is not in force in the Netherlands and Dutch law is not in force in Belgium, Thai law is also in force in Thailand and not in other countries. Civil/marital law is no exception.
Even if you were married before Buddha in the Netherlands, you are not punishable. Only the one who performs such a marriage is punishable.
"The minister of religion who, before the parties have made it clear to him that their marriage has been solemnized before the Registrar of Civil Registry, performs any religious ceremony related thereto, shall be punished with a fine of the second category."
Correct.,.. if performed in the NETHERLANDS.
Hence, no priest, reverend gets it into his head.
That many Iman do not care about this because according to him and his followers the Quran, etc., is far superior to the secular NLe and Be law… is another story.
What you do OUTSIDE the NLe and Be jurisdiction is just as recognized here as “for Bassie and Adriaan”. Therefore, no rights or obligations can be derived from it. I am thinking in particular of inheritances, alimony, settlement opportunities, etc.
Of course this is punishable. In fact, your sentence has already been pronounced, without the right to defend:
because you got LIFE TIME ..... (whether or not with forced labour)
And another fine (they call it a dowry here)!
Absolutely NOT PUNISHABLE! But a ritual blessing has no legal value whatsoever. If you first marry “for Buddha” you must then register the marriage at the town hall (Amphur). Otherwise it has no legal value. The advantage is that you can also walk away without consequences…
The wedding ceremony “before Buddha” is an emotional bond that is highly valued by your partner, family and the entire village. And the bigger the celebration, the more prestige.
I did the same. Big with all the bells and whistles! It was amazing!
And that was it! Punishable? Absolutely, 100% not!
Son just married a Thai couple years ago in Thailand. In addition to the Buddhist ceremony, there was a Thai and a Chinese festival. All this was symbolic and had no legal value.
They are married in Belgium "civilly" and meanwhile have two cute children and are happy in the Netherlands. We also experienced all those ceremonies and the Thai parents were happy with it.
Getting married for Budhha is just a ceremony without any legal validity. Doesn't mean anything.
most thai women are married only for buddha not amphur,
and then they have children and the man runs off with another woman,
and then the woman sits alone with the children, has to take care of everything to raise the children,
and then the woman seeks a Farang to take care of her brood and her family if necessary