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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Problems with family, how does my Thai girlfriend get documents?
Dear blog readers,
I have an urgent question. My girlfriend and I would like to get married. Due to a particularly bad relationship with her parents due to neglect and abuse, my friend has recently severed all ties with the family. Now the fact arises that because of the aforementioned marriage we must have a birth certificate and papers to prove that she is not married (marital status).
Two years ago she arranged these documents with her parents in order to come to the Netherlands. These papers have now expired and need to be renewed. My girlfriend, however, maintains high and low that she needs her parents for this and is currently distraught and in deep panic about how we can proceed.
However, I wonder, surely there must be another way? To obtain the necessary papers without parents? For example, what if they die? Or as in her case there is no contact?
Who can help us and knows the way to arrange this?
Thank you very much for the responses.
Regards,
Eric
PS: we live in NL and are currently on holiday in Thailand.
Dear Eric,
If you are in Thailand it is very simple.
You go to the local Amphur (town hall) in the place where your girlfriend was born.
They also have a department there where they keep these papers and you can request them there.
Then have them translated into English by a recognized translator, then they are also valid in NL or Belgium.
Thinking a little further ahead, I advise that friend to register her birth certificate in The Hague as soon as possible. Then she must already be a Dutch national or have a Dutch residence permit for a definite or indefinite period (residence document III or IV). This can only be arranged digitally.
For more information::
https://www.denhaag.nl/nl/akten-en-verklaringen/akten/buitenlandse-akten-in-een-nederlandse-akte-omzetten.htm
This advice also applies to all Dutch people who were born abroad. So also for the children of two Dutch parents (think, for example, of expats who live in Thailand for a few years and have children during that time). The sooner the better, but age in itself does not matter. If there is ever a rumble in the country or especially the place of birth, a legal birth certificate can be requested from the municipality of The Hague at any time after registration. Many parents neglect to arrange this while they still live in their child's country of birth and that can lead to the greatest possible misery later on (I know all about it). The village hall has burned down, due to a war the birthplace cannot be visited, the administration in the birthplace is a mess. Believe me, I can cite examples of each. When enrolling at a Dutch university, getting married, etc., those who are not registered in The Hague often have to wriggle through all kinds of (expensive) corners to get it all done. For those who are registered, it is sufficient to ask the municipality of The Hague (foreign office) for a birth certificate.
If you want to register a foreign birth certificate in The Hague and you still live abroad, that doesn't seem so good to me. Because you are requested to send in all original documents by post, so for example original birth certificate, in case of recognition a decision of the court, passport and more. Well what if it gets lost despite the registered mail from abroad and also the return of all originals? So I wonder if anyone outside Europe dares to do this. Shipping and return within the Netherlands during a (short) stay there seems more advisable to me.
what eric says is 100% correct her parents are not necessary this is not blah blah because i did it myself a month ago bring 2 witnesses if you get married good luck
Hi Eric,
My wife got a copy of the birth certificate from the amphur. You must have all the information such as hospital name, where born, date, etc ... but according to her you do not need the parents. Good luck!
That doesn't even have to be in the place of birth. My wife is from Lampang and on Koh Samui where we live, the required data came straight from the computer. Only her ID card was needed.
Eric, on a side note: recognized translation can be obtained quickly from Mildee in Bangkok, or from the guys hanging around in the parking lot of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Bangkok.
Mildee also sends these to Belgium or the Netherlands if necessary. We have good experience with these people.
Address available at the embassy.
Hello Eric, assume the girlfriend is of age, then does not need her parents, get the necessary papers from the town hall, have them translated, legalize and you're done, sometimes bad parents make a story that they are needed, my wife's parents had passed away at the time, good luck and happy holidays.
Translate and LEGALIZE. there are countless desks for this, including in the parking lot opposite the NL embassy.
Intervention from parents or family is not necessary, provided of course she is of age and I assume that for the sake of convenience. She can request her birth certificate herself from the anphur where she was born, proof of marital status from the municipality where she is registered, see ID card.
Papers are valid for 1 year.
Phoe, it is indeed an embarrassing situation.
A few years ago my wife's birth certificate was very weathered, couldn't read large pieces. We went to the Amphur accompanied by mothers, sister and village chief, who then declare (by means of ID numbers and signature) that my wife is the one on the weathered birth certificate.
An official paper was then drawn up to replace her birth certificate (with all relevant data) and we were done.
In your case I think it is wise to go to the Amphur and ask who she can bring as witnesses instead of her parents or relatives given the situation and fear of escalation in combination with the birth certificate and marital status being a requirement for the Netherlands before you get married.
That they keep the papers at the Amphur and can request them, as Marco says, was not the case with us. I think it will depend on the Amphur itself.
Good luck (and you may have to pay the witnesses a small fee. With us 500 baht for the village chief for petrol costs and mutual thanks)
Sometimes an answer can also be easy to find:
Copy of a birth certificate
Request a certified copy. You do this at the Amphur (town hall) that issued the deed.
Born after 1980
You can also contact the Bureau of Registration Administration, Department of Provincial Administration (DOPA) in Bangkok.
Source: https://www.nederlandwereldwijd.nl/wonen-werken/buitenlandse-documenten-legaliseren/thailand
On approx. 1/3 of the page
Declaration of being unmarried
Request this statement in person at the Amphur (town hall) where you live. Take two witnesses with you, who can confirm that you are not married.
You can also request the statement from the district office where you are registered in the house register (ta bian job).
Source: directly below the above text
If your wife of Thai nationality no longer lives in Thailand, then the declaration of unmarried status can perhaps still be applied for in the Netherlands?
It is precisely the declaration of unmarried status that will have to be 'fresh' (the municipality usually applies a limit of 6 months old) and must come from the country of origin. This is to check whether your marital status still corresponds to that which is registered in the Dutch BRP (Basic Registration of Persons, formerly known as GBA municipal basic administration) and that you have not married outside the Netherlands in the meantime.
Most foreign nationals already provide the birth certificate when registering in the municipality. A somewhat normal municipality will not ask for a fresh birth certificate again, you are only born once and nothing can change that. Marital status is a changeable thing, although a nice 'fresh' deed does not say everything. You can have obtained a certificate of unmarried status the day before yesterday, married the day after and now report to the Netherlands…
If you are planning to get married, talk to your municipality. My love was in the Netherlands for 2 years when we decided to get married. The municipality did not ask for the Thai birth certificate (they still had a copy of it themselves) and they did not think a fresh Thai marriage certificate was necessary (they also had a 2-year old copy of this, but they could certainly have demanded a fresh one). And yes there are strange municipality (civil servants) who also want a fresh birth certificate (new legalization) of it. If you can arrange that immediately, cooperation is pragmatic, but if it is going to cost a lot of time or money then I would certainly discuss with the civil servant that that is completely nonsense.
da village head and all the circus stuff is not necessary at all it is tradition and gel cheating et your comment you scare people and put them on the wrong track
you have to go with her district where she was born and just apply. you have to pay for it, don't you? you have already received a response from someone else, I see. No problem if family does not want to help, you do not need them for that. Good luck
Thank you all for your responses, this will certainly help us move forward and I can reassure her.
Just to be clear, my girlfriend is not a minor, apparently she has been talked into the fact that it is not possible without parents…,