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Call: Who can help me with stocks with options and futures?
Dear readers,
I live in Thailand, in Sukhothai. I'm 76 years old and I'm doing well with shares, that's going well for me.
What I can't manage well with are options and futures. I know something about that and often see courses being given in the Netherlands, but that is impossible for me. In doing so, I am looking for someone who wants to help me improve this, is also willing to pay for it.
With kind regards,
Gerard
Email: [email protected]
Dear Gerard,
Depends on what you want to know about options & futures.
Do you want short-term calls and/or puts, do you also want to write them and maybe hedge them with shares?
Do you already have an account with Binck or another provider? I trade directly with the stock exchange and usually take a short term, then the premium is nice and low.
Futures is a different story, very lucrative, keep a close eye on the IEX site, they sometimes have an investment game in futures, very educational.
Have diff. books about options that I no longer use.
Greetings and success
Dear Gerard,
Don't get into futures or options if you don't know anything about them. If you really want to do something in options, let us advise you. For futures, one should also keep a decent margin. Profits and losses are tracked on a daily basis and settled on the basis of the closing price of the futures contract. It is advisable to keep extra account balance as the future is settled every day. In the event of a loss, the shortage of margin must be cleared immediately.
Futures are highly speculative and an investor should not trade futures unless they are in a position to suffer a potentially significant financial loss.
Msgr.
Monique
Dear Gerard,
I have an old options trading course from 1986 for you.
It is from the NIBE and is called “option trading by private individuals”.
It is a 75 MB PDF document.
The course is somewhat dated, but the operation of options is well and clearly explained.
I'll send it to you with a transfer.
Greetings from Josh
Gerard, http://www.optiecursus.com is a good way to master the basics of options. You will then receive a weekly email (for 24 weeks) after which you will know how Call and Put options work.
The course is even completely free. If you want to delve further into this matter, the Option Strategies e-book is also recommended. See http://optiecursus.com/optiestrategieen.htm
My advice: start with the free 24-week course first.
Sincerely, Joseph
Moderator: only respond to the call please.
If my English is reasonably good, then the book “Option Pricing and Volatility” by Sheldon Nathenburg is highly recommended.
The most complicated thing about options is pricing. Because your premium is made up of different legs, such as expected volatility and duration. This is done through the Black & Scholes model.
As a trader you have to master that, otherwise you can sometimes be faced with very nasty surprises. The simple option constructions are often discussed in investment books, but the more professional traders do not look at them.
Furthermore, you do not need margin when buying options, but you do need margin when you write. Many brokers also require you to have a special account, a margin account.
Stocks and index options also have differences (American vs European), for example, you can exercise a stock option prematurely and not an index option, etc.
Futures is fairly straight forward, but it really depends on the underlying value, is that a commodity? Then I have to act differently than with an index future, for example. As someone already mentioned, futures are settled every day on the basis of the underlying asset and you must also maintain margin. That often differs, you have an initial margin that you must have available on the day itself, and a maintenace margin that you must have available if you hold your positions overnight.
With futures you also have to deal with a price curve, so-called contango (futures more expensive the longer the term is) and backwardation (future cheaper than the spot price). For example, a future on the VIX (index indicating expected volatility) index, when spot is high they are usually in backwardation while at low VIX they are back in contango, purely because traders expect low volatility not to last.
Similarly with oil futures, if there is a lot of short-term demand, they are slightly in backwardation, while with stable demand they are normally slightly in contango.
Futures pricing is actually very simple, spot price of underlying + interest – cost of storage.
But it sometimes varies, with an index future, for example, you do not have any costs for storage, but dividends are deducted from that. So for an index future it is index + interest – dividend.
Bit futures you should actually first know what you want to trade and then look at how the future works.
It is also very well possible to combine both into 1 position, for example index options and index futures. For example, most traders in Aex index options hedge their options position with index futures if they trade delta neutral and only want the premium.
It's all just a little bit what you want. For example, you can use options in many ways, to hedge your shares, to trade directionally with leverage, to trade only option premium, to all kinds of abstract constructions that give you an advantage in both price and change of expected volatility.
It is both a difficult matter and if you go into it a little deeper it becomes very abstract.
I live in Khon Kaen myself and I sometimes want to explain something, but I don't know to what extent that is nearby.
Apologies for the spelling mistakes, but my iPad autocorrect is a bit annoying at times…
Another mistake of mine:
Commodity future is of course: spot price – interest over term + surcharge over term
Index future is of course: stock index – interest over term – dividend (in the run-up to expiration, future stock and index are getting closer to each other)
If people are honest, it turns out that very few can really earn anything with this. Biggest problem is when to take a loss. In practice, people take a little profit too early and go all the way at a loss. The long-term result is usually a loss.
It's kind of persistence wins.
When you get into options and futures there are a lot of things you need to know, you need to get a feel for the market you are in, learn how to manage risk and so on. Find your own spin.
It is possible to earn money from it, but most people only learn it in one way and that is to go down a lot.
In fact, it has nothing to do with investing at all. It's ice-cold calculating, seeing what's possible, adjusting position.
In addition, you should definitely throw all your economic knowledge overboard in that kind of trade, just see what happens. The current markets are so manipulated that it just doesn't matter that much anymore. Certainly not in the very short term.
For example, I never watched or read any news. That usually only influences you and that makes you hold on to your vision.
Dear Gerard,
Without wanting to offend you, given your age and your successes so far on the stock market, I would advise you not to trade futures in any case, and not options either.
If you can't resist, start by buying a call option. And then a long-term call option. You pay a bit more, but the term is a bit longer and you don't immediately lose your money if the price drops.
Erik, above, is right by the way. I'm an economist and I think I know what I'm talking about.
Below is some reading material.
1. With an option you can respond to both a downward and an upward expectation of the underlying asset. Suppose you buy 1 call option Ahold 18-12-2009 € 8 for a price of € 1.
You should read this as follows: You are entitled to purchase 100 Ahold shares up to and including 18/12/2009 for € 8 per share. You now pay € 1 per share for this right, i.e. € 100.
2. Suppose you sell 1 call option Ahold 18-12-2009 € 8 for a price of € 1.
You should read this as follows: You have the obligation to sell 100 Ahold shares up to and including 18-12-2009 for € 8 per share. For this obligation you will now receive € 1 per share, i.e. € 100.
You therefore enter into an obligation to sell 100 Ahold shares for € 8 each. You are not obliged to actually own the shares. If you still have to deliver, you can buy the shares at that time and immediately sell them again. Of course you don't just enter into this obligation, you want a reasonable compensation for this. This fee is the €100 per contract.
By writing a call option, you assume a fall in the underlying asset. This is therefore exactly the opposite of buying a call option where you assume a rising price of the underlying asset.
3. With an option you can respond to both a downward and an upward expectation of the underlying asset. An option also always has a predetermined end date.
Suppose you buy 1 put option Ahold 18-12-2009 € 8 for a price of € 1.
This should read as follows: You have the right to sell 100 Ahold shares up to and including 18/12/2009 for € 8 per share. You now pay € 1 per share for this right, i.e. € 100.
Well, this put option gives you the right to sell 100 shares for € 8 each. You pay € 100 for this right. You have therefore only purchased one right. It is immaterial whether you actually own the shares.
4. Suppose you sell 1 put option Ahold 18-12-2009 € 8 for a price of € 1.
You should read this as follows: You have the obligation to buy 100 Ahold shares up to and including 18-12-2009 for € 8 per share. For this obligation you will now receive € 1 per share, i.e. € 100.
You therefore enter into an obligation to buy 100 Ahold shares for € 8 each. Of course you don't just enter into this obligation, you want a reasonable compensation for this. This fee is the €100 per contract.
By writing a put option, you assume an increase in the underlying value. This is therefore exactly the opposite of buying a put option where you assume a falling price of the underlying asset.
Suppose Ahold's share price is now €8. If you sell the put option mentioned above, you will receive € 100. You are obliged to buy 100 shares if your counterparty, the seller of the same option, asks for it.