'Six groups of foreigners can return to Thailand'
Six groups of foreigners will be allowed back into Thailand. Some who wish to stay longer will have to self-quarantine at their own expense, said Taweesilp Visanuyothin, spokesperson for the Center for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA).
A meeting of the CCSA chaired by Prime Minister Prayut yesterday approved the State Department's proposal to allow a number of groups to re-enter, said Dr. Tawesilp. It's about:
- Spouses and children of people with work permits issued by government agencies.
- Foreigners married to Thai and their children.
- Foreigners with a house in Thailand.
- Medical tourists.
- Foreign students.
- Government guests, investors and highly educated personnel.
Those who want to go to Thailand for medical assistance, such as fertility treatment and cosmetic nose and eye surgery and their companions will also be allowed access, said Dr. Tawesilp. However, this rule does not apply to foreigners seeking treatment for Covid-19.
Other groups being readmitted include foreign students and their parents, and foreigners entering Thailand under special arrangements, such as government guests, investors and highly skilled personnel, said Dr. Tawesilp.
He said those planning long stays would have to pay the cost of their quarantine facilities themselves. Short-term business travelers or government guests must be tested for the virus twice and negative results are required before arrival in Thailand. Government agencies inviting these visitors must provide accompanying staff and the visitors must pay all costs incurred. These visitors must travel to pre-arranged locations and are not allowed to go to public locations or use public transportation, said Dr. Tawesilp.
Source: Bangkok Post
I think
“2. Foreigners with residency rights in Thailand.” (see link),
maybe mean something different
“3. Foreigners with a house in Thailand.”
I think that they only mean the “Permanent Residence permits” but could be wrong.
https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30390478
You destroy my joy.
Now entering Thailand wasn't my problem, because I haven't been out for a few years and honestly don't feel the need to.
But it seemed for a while that with a retirement visa – (extension of stay) you had obtained a certain right of residence if you were a homeowner.
Insofar as you can at least call yourself the owner of a house with a lifelong usufruct of land.
I don't actually know how that is legal in Thailand with a self-built house.
Whether or not you are a homeowner, usufructuary, etc… does not in itself affect your “extension of stay” as “Retirement”. No proof of ownership is required. In other words, it does not give you more rights than someone who rents a house.
I just mentioned the point “Foreigners with a house in Thailand” so as not to immediately make people happy with a dead sparrow. There are several translations in circulation
For example, the official note of the CAAT states “The Notification on Conditions for International Flight Permit to Thailand”
(4) Non-Thai nationals who hold a valid certificate of residence, or permission to take up residence in the Kingdom
https://www.caat.or.th/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/The-Notification-on-Conditions-for-International-Flight-Permit-to-Thailand.pdf
But maybe I'm wrong and a "Tabien job, rental contract or Proof of Residence" is also sufficient.
So who knows….
You are absolutely right. A residence permit is a residence permit and has nothing to do with ownership of a house or property.
It's not clear to me whether we agree or are talking past each other.
Just in other words.
If you are married to a Thai, or are the guardian of a child of Thai nationality, you are most likely protected to some extent by international treaties such as human rights against the risk of being out of Thailand at some point deported, if the Thai government so desires.
Then your family would be torn apart.
Thailand would undoubtedly be confronted about this by the various embassies and possibly be sued in some international court and trade barriers might follow.
You do not have that protection with a retirement visa.
Every time you go to the immigration office for an extension, you might be told that the extensions have been abolished and you can pack your bags.
(Not that I'm terribly concerned about that, but it could be.)
When I read: “3. Foreigners with a house in Thailand.” I thought I might have missed something in the regulations somewhere.
So your response left me disappointed.
Incidentally, I still wonder - out of curiosity - whether I am the formal owner of the house I built with a yellow tabian job booklet, or whether another document would be required for that. (usufruct lifetime)
Something that I am not worried about, because I have had good contact with the owners of the land, their budding family and their daughter - heir to the land - for 30 years.
And when I die, they can have it all.
The yellow thabienbaan (thoh-roh 13) is an address registration for foreigners without a permanent residence permit. So it says nothing about ownership. The blue thabien lane, thoh-roh 14, is for Thais and foreigners with permanent residency. A house always has a blue booklet, if no Thai or foreigners with PR live there, that booklet is empty.
See also the discussion here:
https://www.thailandblog.nl/lezersvraag/lezersvraag-wat-is-het-verschil-tussen-het-gele-en-blauwe-boekje/#comments
If you were so protected as a married person, then no income requirement would be imposed for your year extension as a married person. Just believe that you will go outside if you do not meet the requirements of an annual extension. Married or not.
You can also visit your family in another way, they say, without a right to long-term residence being linked to it.
A blue or yellow Tabien Baan is not proof of ownership, but such questions about ownership or registration should be asked separately and sent to the editor.
I built a house with my wife , she supposedly borrowed 3 million Bath from me .
So she has a mortgage with me.
This gives me the right to 30 years on this house, even if she dies, her family can't evict me yet.
Dear Tom, although your Thai spouse's family cannot legally evict you, if they want they and their friends can make your life so miserable that you would like to leave somewhere else.
Has happened many times, because when one smells money.
Jan Beute.
As a foreigner you are not allowed to lend money to a Thai
You can even be convicted for it
Please confirm this. Foreigners with a house and/or condo and annual visa can enter?
Simple : No
Seems the most logical to me Ronny because people have been talking for weeks about admitting foreigners with a residence permit (Permanent Residency). I never saw anything about owning a house. So there must have been a translation error.
That is why correct terminology is so important and I am also in favor of mentioning or referring names, slogans etc. in the original language (Thai). Preferably with source 555. So that one can be sure that nothing has gone 'lost in translation' and that it is also easier to contact a Thai official and the like with as little confusion as possible.
It says in the Thai text persons with a “Tin Ti You ถิ่นที่อยู่”
and that means permanent resident status.
There is no permanent residence permit, you will be given permission to stay in Thailand for 1 year and afterwards you can apply for an extension again and if you meet the conditions, it is up to the immigration officer whether you can stay for another year.
You must then integrate and become Thai.
William,
There is indeed a permanent residence permit.
See e.g.: https://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/thai-permanent-residency.php of https://www.immigration.go.th/en/?page_id=1744
and Tom,
You don't have to, but then you may integrate and after 10 years apply to get Thai nationality.
And here's the source:
https://www.caat.or.th/th/archives/51815
“(4) ผู้ไม่มีสัญชาติไทยซึ่งมีใบสำคัญถิ่นที่อ More information ที่อยู่ในราชอาณาจักร”
Google Translate makes a pretty nice translation to English of it:
(4) Non-Thai nationals who have a residence permit or have been granted residence in the Kingdom
I also suspect Residency Rghts in Thailand refers to Permanent Residency a formal residency status that is not equivalent to a Retirement Visa nor living 100% in Thailand, being married and having children. But very few foreigners have a formal Permanent Residence status. In many other countries, retired foreigners live on the basis of a Permanent Residence status. This is not the case in Thailand.
I am married to a Thai, we have a house in Thailand and no children.
Can we travel to Thailand?
Yes, you can do that from July 1.
I have a girlfriend in Thailand with whom I have a son. could I fly then?
Do I have to be quarantined if I go there for 2 weeks?
Thank you very much for the response.
Your category is not listed; I'm afraid you'll have to wait a little longer.....
Anyway? “Marital partners, children or parents of a person of Thai nationality”.
(3. Foreign spouses, parents or children of persons with Thai nationality.)
This would indicate that a foreign spouse, wife, child or parent who is/are related to a Thai are welcome. Of course, provided that the family relationship can be formally demonstrated, I can assume.
Source:
https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30390509
Means that I can enter Thailand with my Thai wife to visit her son, for example, while we live permanently in Belgium. And do we have to quarantine?
I think it also depends on the status of residence. I myself am temporarily in the Netherlands and had a Non-Immigrant O visa and that has now expired and will apply for a new one for the reason of caring for a young child (I am not married). It depends on Peter's situation because did he live in Thailand and does he have a Non-Immigrant visa or does he apply for a tourist visa which shows that he is only visiting temporarily. I think you are stronger in the first case, I can show a series of extensions of my visa myself, it is in my passport, which shows that I have been in Thailand for some time and hope to get a new visa and entry on this basis.
I myself will wait a while because to have to spend 2 weeks in a hotel while I have my own house seems expensive to me. !4-day quarantine stay and the hotel will also want to earn money from meals and drinks and other facilities such as washing clothes, etc., so that the bill can rise considerably, especially since the hotel prices for food and drinks are already considerably higher than elsewhere. Estimate that you just lost 3000 Euro at the cheapest hotels all-in for 2 weeks of mandatory board and lodging for quarantine.
It is not explicitly stated, for that you would have to be able to look at the original and official document, but if you are officially the father and can prove that, I think you still have a good chance.
3. Foreign spouses, parents or children of persons with Thai nationality.
https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30390509
No one seems to be able to escape from under Qarentaine for the time being. Or you must be one of those business people.
In fact, the conditions should also be clearly defined, including with regard to insurance and the amount of that insurance for these groups.
But maybe I missed it.
Your response is almost right; made a screenshot of the schedule of who has to be quarantined. 700 businesspeople/investors have to be quarantined for 2 weeks only for a short visit (how short or long was not mentioned) but it is a very intelligent virus because GOVERNMENT GUESTS do not have to be quarantined. So it's just a BS measure that mandatory quarantine stuff. How many politicians have you seen wearing a mask????
and not only in Thailand.
If you are not married, you still cannot fly to Thailand, but you can fly elsewhere if there are no restrictions there either.
I have a retirement visa for 16 y..non imm till 1 jan 2021
Live in Pattaya..go to Belgium and come back on Sept 11th.
Do I also have to be in Quarantine...I don't read anything about this !!!
The question is whether you will enter Thailand in September as a holder of a 'retirement extension', Fernand, whether or not you are quarantined. I hope so for you and the many in the same situation!
You are right…I live inPattaya for 17 y..have one every year
Non imm visa..has also been in my room since March 17.
Don't take any chances...to go into Quarantine on my return on Sept 11th. Have sold all the furniture and hopefully I can go back to Belgium on Aug 4th and won't come back on Sept 11th with Thaiairways.
We don't know what will apply on September 11, do we?
You will indeed not read anything about this, because nothing has been decided about this group yet. That means: you are not allowed to go to Thailand yet
As long as returning Thais have to be quarantined, it will be the same for returning non-Thais.
In other words: how do you price yourself out of the market in the easiest way. Tourism had been in a downward spiral for years and is now really falling like the well-known brick. Tourists will now mainly go to Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia and the government in Krung Thep will sometimes scratch its head.
And are you sure you can get in there?
The Bangkok Post wrote yesterday: Foreigners who have family in Thailand, and those who have homes in the kingdom, will also be allowed to return, according to the spokesman.
Not a word about mandatory quarantine: I think the owner of a house can stay in his house for two weeks if necessary.
Tourists are allowed to stay on an island (without a time limit) (PhiPhi or Phuket, for example), for which there will be little enthusiasm (Bangkok Post of this morning)
Mandatory quarantine will be in 1 of the designated hotels.
There is still talk of tourists. Nothing further has been announced about this yet.
Hello Peter yes if you are allowed to fly you have to quarantine two that's not nothing I've read that can cost almost 100.000 Bath hotel plus the tests so much strong Peter I'm also waiting I also have a small house but I'm not going 3000 pay euro to come to thailand gr will
I don't see an airline that will fly to Bangkok alone with 5 passengers.
I think KLM is quite willing to take you. Instead of a box on a passenger seat, there is a person. As soon as it yields more than the cargo on that seat, it's interesting because they're already flying anyway. It's possible that you're on the plane with less than 5 passengers. You can count on KLM reading along with the messages from Bangkok and now also know that passengers are allowed to go to Bangkok.
Finally there seems to be some progress. But on the Thai way... 😉
My question is point 2: Foreigners married to Thai and their children…
My Thai wife and I got married in the Netherlands, but have not yet registered the marriage in Thailand. We actually wanted to do that on the next trip. It was scheduled for April 2020, but we postponed it. Luckily we hadn't booked anything yet.
So the question is, would we still fall under point 2? And with a stay of +/- 3 weeks, probably have to be quarantined?
Do I have to report to the embassy?
Because I already have a ticket for August 16!
I have been married to my Thai wife for over 10 years
Very happy for all info.
Greetings
Yes, you must report, you must obtain permission from the Thai embassy in The Hague and meet all kinds of obligations. Among other things, show that your insurance covers USD 100.000 for Covid.
In addition, Covid test, book a hotel for 2 weeks of quarantine (you can find relevant hotels via FB page below. Costs 32.000 cheapest to 100.000+ the most expensive. Including meals and testing.
Read more here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/551797439092744/permalink/586900615582426/
Ticket with which airline?
Thank you for info. My ticket with Swiss air
Gr.
Yes, you will need to apply for permission through the Thai embassy. The number that can enter per day is still limited for the time being. So connect (rear).
I was helped with my heart in Thailand 2 years ago and every year I go for a check-up with the cardiologist, Bangkok Hospital Pattaya. should I quarantine?
gr ren
https://www.facebook.com/groups/551797439092744/?notif_id=1592470972675980¬if_t=group_r2j_approved&ref=notif
This does not yet apply to tourists, so also not to people with a so-called “retirement” visa, even if you do not own a home.
Moderator: Off topic
There is no permanent residence permit, you will be given permission to stay in Thailand for 1 year and afterwards you can apply for an extension again and if you meet the conditions, it is up to the immigration officer whether you can stay for another year.
There is indeed a permanent residence permit. I have 1 and never have to request an extension.
Yes, permanent residence permits DO exist: https://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/thai-permanent-residency.php
A very short search on the internet would have told you this…
A “Permanent Residence Permit” has been around for years.
https://www.immigration.go.th/en/?page_id=1744
When I read everything like this, there is confusion all around. I must say that government decisions on this are often susceptible to two types. Perhaps there will be more text and explanation.
Those who are still in the Netherlands or Belgium and want to go back to Thailand should consult the Thai embassy, but please be patient. Before the correct scope of a government decision is well known to the embassy staff, it takes a while.
The European Union allows travelers from the following countries (Source: NYTimes of June 30 evening in Thailand):
The full list of the first 15 countries that the European Union will open up to includes Algeria, Australia, Canada, Georgia, Japan, Montenegro, Morocco, New Zealand, Rwanda, Serbia, South Korea, Thailand, Tunisia, Uruguay and China, provided that China also opens up to travelers from the bloc. It also includes four European microstates, Andorra, Monaco, San Marino and the Vatican.
Every two weeks this list will be evaluated and possibly adjusted.
Hopefully Thailand will also adjust its list and more people can book their tickets.
the NOS site also immediately indicates that Europeans are now allowed to go to the mentioned 15 countries again, complete confusion…
In addition: 'The Council of the European Union emphasizes that it is not a binding list. This means that Member States may themselves decide to impose additional rules. On the other hand, member states cannot yet open their borders to countries other than those on the list.'
All information about Thai permanent residency can be found here.
https://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/thai-permanent-residency.php
Married to a Thai also means if you are married to a Thai in the Netherlands and she also lives in the Netherlands or the marriage must also be registered in Thailand. I can't find anything about that.
I received this in response to my email to the Thai embassy about the fact that I want to go to my wife…
A certificate of Entry (CoE) is required if you wish to enter the Kingdom of Thailand at the moment. If you wish to submit the documentations for such request, please follow the following steps:
Step1: Gathering the following documents:
1. A cover letter indicates the necessity and urgency to enter the Kingdom of Thailand.
2. A copy of marriage certificate (Thai certificate or an International extract from local municipality)
3. A copy of passport of an application and a copy of Thai National ID card of spouse
4. A valid health insurance policy covering all expenditures of medical treatment, including COVID-19 worth at least 100,000 USD (a statement in English)
5. the Declaration form (in an attachment)
If you have all necessary documents stated above you could request for an appointment at 0703450766 ext 219.
Step2: With the above documents, the Embassy will send the request to the Ministry for consideration, if approved. We will inform you and ask for more documents on the Step 3.
Step3: After receiving the Below mentioned documents from you, the Embassy will issue the CoE for you. The issuance of a visa could be accepted (if necessary) at this step.
1. completed Declaration Form (you will receive the form AFTER the permission has been granted by MFA)
2. a proof of confirmation that ASQ (Alternative State Quarantine) has been arranged. (for more details: http://www.hsscovid.com)
3. a confirmed plane ticket (if your flight is cancelled, you will need a new COE and yes, you may need a new fit-to-fly health certificate if the one you have no longer meet the 72 hrs requirement.)
4. a fit-to-fly health certificate issued no longer than 72 hrs. before leaving
5. a COVID-Free Health Certificate issued no longer than 72 hrs. before leaving
Plus the fact that I have to quarantine for 14 days at my own expense…
See that's good information.
A bit unclear, but step 3 you will only receive a Certificate of Entry within 3 days before departure because you must first hand over the aforementioned information. Then it takes some planning because you have to contract a hotel and that has to coincide with a flight
And then also arrange a Covid-Free Health Certificate and a fit to fly certificate, which will be issued within 3 days before departure. And where do you get these 2? Does it seem to me that these two essentially amount to the same thing or not?
It is important not to apply for these 2 on a Friday (unless you can pick up the COE the same day) because then you will receive them and then they will have expired at an appointment with the embassy on Monday. And take into account the opening hours of the embassy and any Thai and Dutch holidays. You should also take into account the booking of your ticket and hotel reservation.
It takes a lot of work to make sure everything fits together nicely.
Step 3 also states: issuance of a visa. Please note that you must also meet the visa requirements and submit all the necessary information for an application.
And what does Declaration Form say? (step1 and step3 )
Just wrote down some questions to supplement because if someone gives the right answers, some blog readers will have been made happy,
Unmarried is family visit so no reason to come in. I am now considering applying as a language student at Chulalongkorn University. Would that be a way to still be able to go to Thailand as a foreign student?