Parents blame police for death of 14-year-old son in Nakhon Phanom
In Sanook a rather curious story about parents who blame the local police for the death of their 14-year-old son, who runs into a tree while fleeing a pursuing officer and dies.
Such a fatal traffic accident is of course sad, but now the parents want to sue the police in order to receive compensation in money for what they consider to be an unnecessary action by the police.
What exactly happened? The 14-year-old boy drives a Honda Wave without a helmet and is stopped by a police officer. However, the boy does not stop and runs off. The policeman chases the boy, who at one point loses control of his motorcycle and crashes into a tree, resulting in his death.
The parents acknowledge that the boy was too young to ride a Honda Wave without a helmet and without a license, but believe that the police action against such a negligible offense is grossly exaggerated: "He was not a thief or a murderer."
A whole series of reactions to Thaivisa, who - except for a single reaction - think that the police cannot be blamed. On the contrary, it is generally believed that the parents are liable for allowing their 14-year-old son to ride a moped without a driver's license and without a helmet.
Another interesting aspect emerges in one of those reactions. The news report states that the boy's father is an assistant to the phu yai ban in his village. This gives a certain status, as a result of which the parents could feel socially superior to the police officer in question. He would be entitled to revenge by demanding money in compensation.
The death of a son is a pity in itself, but I think that the parents should have taken their responsibility and should not try to make money out of it!
What do you think?
Source: Sanook/Thaivisa
It must be a translation issue, because otherwise how do you explain the parents exploring that the son was too young to drive without a helmet and a driver's license? You're never old enough for that, are you?
Read for 'explore': acknowledging.
Here's the story on Sanook:
https://www.sanook.com/news/7590538/
200.000 reads, 50 comments, all of which also blame the parents and the boy himself.
The parents have filed a complaint because the officer in question acted too roughly during the chase and also after the accident (he pulled the body and did not care), there are images of that.
The message on Sanook states that the parents want 'justice', no monetary compensation is mentioned.
Of course, the parents are the first and only responsible. But the behavior of the police should also be examined.
everyone sometimes commits a juvenile sin and if that consists of not wearing a helmet and riding a motorcycle too early (without a driver's license) the police have the right to act, but if this escalates the police are also partly to blame ( should have handled the situation more sensibly).
When it comes to an adult man on a motorcycle, it is different.
The boy was killed by the police and the action of the parents (for compensation) is only understandable.
I suspect that some "debugging" is needed in your reasoning process.
There are countless examples of traffic offenders paying for their offense with their lives after being chased by the police.
The police have the task and the assignment to protect society against these offenders.
In this unfortunate incident, the young driver chose to flee, he could have stopped and accepted the consequences of his actions. It has been his choice.
The police officer acted correctly in chasing him.
A child of that age cannot make rational choices and oversee his actions. That conscious part of his brain is not yet sufficiently developed for that.
And that is exactly why such a 14-year-old boy is not allowed to ride a motorcycle (!). Of course, those parents aren't entirely guilt-free in this one either.
I would like to know what the reaction of those parents would be if their son had killed someone disabled or even worse. Still a minor offense?
Beats. In my opinion, the parents are responsible and guilty of this drama.
Well stated that children cannot yet oversee their actions at that age. Then the parents remain responsible for, for example, firstly ensuring that their son does not ride the motorcycle. So instead of charging the officer, the police should charge the parents because they have failed in their duty. The same applies in the case of a single-vehicle accident involving a 14-year-old without others, the parents are responsible, as a result, liability insurance in the Netherlands also covers damage etc. caused by children.
Dear Peter,
I understand your position. That the brain is not yet fully developed at that age is completely correct, but a 14-year-old is no longer a small child and can certainly make a choice.
Unfortunately, he made the wrong choice.
In this specific case you can in no way hold the law enforcement officer to account, but you can hold the parents or those responsible for his upbringing accountable.
That is not correct, a child cannot oversee the consequences of his choice, that has been scientifically proven.
In early (10-15) and late (16-22) puberty, the greatest changes in the brain take place. This mainly happens in the front parts of the brain, the so-called prefrontal cortex. This area contains the planning and control functions. These functions enable you to plan, anticipate and oversee the long-term consequences. It is not until late puberty that these planning and control functions mature. So there is a refinement of the organization in the brain. This maturation can continue until one's 22nd year.
Source: https://www.dokterdokter.nl/gezond-leven/kind/hoe-het-brein-van-pubers-werkt/item28423
The police may have thought he might have something to hide as he fled.
Drugs for example.
Thailand is forgiven of that, and is often sold by minors, due to the penalty for under 18s, so that's not such an unlikely thought at all.
It is sad for the boy and his parents, but it is no different.
The fact that a boy makes wrong choices cannot be blamed on the police.
If they have to let go everyone who flees from the police, few criminals will be caught.
Ls,
Again it is stated that it is a moped, when will it reach here that there are NO mopeds in Thailand, the Honda wave is just a light MOTOR and a driver's license is required to obtain that, you don't have to do much in Thailand, so it is a small effort, but a 14-year-old boy is simply by definition unable to drive it, estimating danger setting is almost impossible for adults in Thailand, let alone a 14-year-old child It is of course sad that he paid the full price for his stupidity, but that is certainly the fault of his parents, although I am aware that 14 year olds are often difficult to control. After all, blaming the police is a worldwide phenomenon, ie someone has to be blamed and my child is such a sweetheart who never does anything wrong. Here too it turns out, you have to learn to drive a motor vehicle and only from your 18 birthday, sadly enough, he will never make it.
The original article does not mention a moped, but a motorcycle.
In Thai it is both จักรยานยนต์ tjakrajaanjon tjakrajaan is bicycle and jon is motorcycle…..
It is certainly sad, but blaming the police is a street too far.
If everyone abided by the law, and this anywhere in the world, such situations would not happen.
The agent in question is also only human and in a city such as Bangkok it is no laughing matter.
The youth of today is no longer the bad boy of about 25 years ago, he knew damn well enough what he was doing and so did the parents, end of story, it is a pity that the boy has died, but whether people learn lessons from it is just the question. Upbringing is called this in the Netherlands and Belgium, and don't be afraid to act a little harder against your rascals, you sometimes save them a lot of misery later in life and sometimes save their lives, as in this case. Respect for the family.
Think that the agent (who is of course fully within his right) could have stopped his action.
It also happens very regularly in NL that the hermandad ceases its action to prevent more and unnecessary disaster. I personally think this shows some intelligence.
As long as there is no such thing done in Thailand, these will continue to exist for eternity. In my eyes, the police can not be blamed at all, so any compensation is an absurd idea. The parents are 100% liable in this case, but they are now ringing the bell because their son, who they normally don't give a damn about (this appears to be because he is allowed to drive with the 14 and without a helmet), unfortunately died during a chase. If the snot nose had worn a helmet, he might not have been noticed and the police would not have chased him. Sometimes I also have the idea that Thailand is proud to be in 2nd place with the most traffic victims because they do nothing about it to reduce that number. Our neighbor's boy is 12 and he goes to school every day with his moped, in the shirt and of course without a helmet, nice and cool, he doesn't touch the ground with both legs when he stands still. Sometimes he also goes with his 2 brothers pick up and sister from the bus, a boy aged 10 and 6 and a girl aged 8, so then the 4 of us on the moped and the parents are proud that he can do all of that. After a major accident with perhaps dead, don't complain later that the children have been killed in an accident or sue the motorist or whatever that they want money because their children have been killed in an accident. Seizing the moped and lashing the parents each with 100 lashes would be an appropriate punishment.
I think this police officer is completely within his right .
Finally an agent with courage, who does his job properly and as it should be.
The parents are the first co-responsible, they let their children, who can't even keep their pants up themselves, take to the streets with mopeds without a helmet and often without insurance about a driver's license, not to mention because they are still too young for that.
And on top of that , if the moped were insured , the insurance company would probably not have to pay out either .
Every day I experience the racing of school children on souped-up mopeds who have absolutely no awareness or any knowledge of the facts, and what kind of consequences or of the rules in traffic.
You might even lose the victim or a close relative due to an accident caused by one of those kids, and see how you react.
I wish the Thai police would finally start monitoring this nationwide problem and come out of their daily hiding place.
Jan Beute.
You have to ask yourself whether police chases should be avoided in general.
It is a disease that has come over from the USA and films. It sometimes also occurs in NL with the fatal outcome of bystanders. Chases endanger other traffic who have nothing to do with it and should be excluded.
There are means of communication with which the sprinting figure can be intercepted by other police people on his route, why not pay attention to this and train it to be able to apply it.
If one does start a pursuit, one is directly responsible for the consequences that follow.
The upside down world, the criminal or next of kin blame the law enforcement officers for their transgressions. The boy in the story should have just remained standing just like other young people do when the police stop them. Then I think the reason is that the boy acted in yaba, drugs, just like many others. Because let's say a boy 14 doesn't worry about driving around without a helmet or driver's license because most people do. The point is that the Thai police are actively cracking down on those who use or deal in drugs, and the users and traffickers fear jail. I think this is why the boy ran off.
I also believe that the police are certainly not to blame.
– the boy without a helmet
- no driver's license
– he runs off when an attempt is made to stop him because of no helmet
– parents do not stop him, as so often happens in Thailand.
- taking responsibility is often not there with the parents. do/go…
– HiSo or not, it shouldn't and shouldn't make a difference…. WRONG is WRONG !!!
Unfortunately for the young boy…. sad
It is of course a pity that something like this happens, but holding the police responsible for the death of that boy is a bridge too far. Accidents happen every week in my area (isaan) and mostly with young people on MOTORCYCLES because many people forget that they are 115 cc minimum. As mentioned, no helmet or driver's license (of course at the age of 14) and then there is a good chance that the front or rear lighting does not work, which is the case with 7 out of 10. This boy was 14 years old, but you can't imagine how many 11 and 12 year olds ride to school with their little brother or sister, of course without a helmet. It really is about time that there was a proper check on this, although I do notice that more and more checks are being made at school gates, which I can only applaud and hopefully it will not stop at paying 200 baht, and just leave.
If you assume that someone will run off after an arrest resulting in death, you can no longer arrest anyone.
Who says that because of ignorance that guy wouldn't have crashed into a tree even without a cop? They sit on it without a helmet, without proper clothing, right hand on the steering wheel and left hand with a thing on the ear. Too bad about the guy, but I don't blame the police.
If the boy steals a moped from a farang and the police don't go after it, then you should see what the comments are …….
In Thailand everything is still about respect for the elderly and for authority, isn't it? The boy ignored the police and in doing so he was already against a fundamental unwritten law. Because of that fact, the police could not close their eyes and dismiss it with a “never mind” as is sometimes done. He is a respectful person and wants and should be treated as such. This is Thailand!
So who is to blame: rightly the parents and the boy. The boy not only broke the law, but was completely disrespectful to authority by driving away.
I remember well when I was fourteen. I wasn't a mindless boy then either, but I knew damn well what I was and wasn't allowed to do. And I can assume that this was just as true here.
It is understandable that the parents are sad. But to charge the policeman? Ridiculous. The boy probably grew up with that mentality and therefore did not stop at the police check…
The agent is of course fully within his rights: you must stop if the competent authority demands this. Driving off fast = accepting consequences.
The problem is of course that at a young age the brain has not yet matured, children see no danger. In England there are officers who are specially trained to run over young people on motor scooters that do not stop - sometimes with quite tragic consequences, by the way. Despite criticism of this method, it is maintained for 2 reasons: it is very effective (thefts and driving at stop signs are reduced by 50%!) AND the rest of the public, who are really innocent, are not endangered.
This 14-year-old boy in his rashness could of course have endangered others, or run over a small child.
In my area boys start riding motorcycles at the age of 10-11, outrageous!! And I think the parents should be severely punished for this.
The least the police can do is take the motorbike and not give it back.
Does the motorbike belong to a family member?
After showing a valid driver's license / helmet and paying 10.000 baht, it can be returned.
I regularly see in my neighborhood that those engines are being tuned up.
An acquaintance of mine in our village has a small motorbike repair shop.
And is regularly involved in this tuning work , he earns part of his daily bread with it .
The cylinder will be taken to a company in Lamphun and drilled, a larger piston will be installed so we will probably end up with around 150 cc. The air inlet is adjusted with a conical air filter on the outside.
The exhaust is being adjusted, those boys also want more noise.
The tires and wheels are replaced by colored rims and tires with a width so narrow (due to less rolling resistance) that a cyclist would be jealous of them.
And nothing is changed on the brakes and the frame because that is a waste of money.
And here are kids racing around from around 14 years old who supposedly don't have a fully completed brain function.
I regularly see whole groups of these kids racing around on the highway.
Pappie and Mammie whine about money for their hobby .
They can't even tinker themselves like we used to do, some even ask my knowledge to pump air into the tires.
They have become arrogant matcho and spoiled boys, of which the police, the school and the parents are the first to not even know how to deal with this
Jan Beute