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Home » News from Thailand » BNK48 singer emotional when apologizing for T-shirt with swastika
The well-known pop star is Pichayapa 'Namsai' Natha, of the popular girl group BNK48, has tearfully apologized for wearing a T-shirt with the swastika and the Nazi flag on it during a performance rehearsal.
It was disgraceful on social media and in the international press. Many called her stupid and ignorant. Others blamed Thailand's poor education. The incident also came at an unfortunate time because yesterday the victims of the Nazi regime were commemorated on International Holocaust Remembrance Day.
Pichayapa 'Namsai' Natha – Photo: FacebookThe band's manager Nataphol and Namsai visited the Israeli ambassador yesterday to apologize. Earlier, the embassy posted a message on Facebook and Twitter that Namsai was wrong Nazi symbols and thereby hurt the feelings of millions of people, including the relatives of victims.
The German ambassador has invited the band in a tweet to give them a history lesson about World War II and the mass murders of the Nazi regime.
Source: Bangkok Post
I think it is ignorant for the second time to apologize to the ambassador of Israel. Jews also live in other countries of the world and the Jews who were killed in World War II did not come from Israel for the vast majority.
No, because Israel did not exist in WWII, I thought.
You are right, but a lot of Jews lived in that area, together with Palestinians for decades.
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschiedenis_van_Isra%C3%ABl
Dear Chris, The Jews were scattered almost all over the world, but the state of Israel that you mentioned in your first response first came into existence in 1948.
Read my link to Wikipedia. European Jews were murdered in Germany. 600.000 Jews lived in Mandatory Palestine. None of them have been transported to a gas chamber in Germany.
Dear RonnyLatYa,
We are talking about about 70 years ago.
In other words, you should assume that there is some familiarity with these atrocities.
Incidentally, I do not want to skip a population group that has had to experience this kind of horror, but we still see this every day.
Yours faithfully,
jhvd in 1935 experienced all the horrors of the war. we were starving to yawn. We ate flower bulbs and the cat when there was one walking around. Betrayal, murder NSB raids
Now ask students about World War II. they know very little about it.
Am I claiming otherwise?
What is your comment about now.
I am only responding to the fact that Israel as a country itself did not exist at that time. Only since 1948.
And isn't that right?
I know my history well. And by the way, more than 70 years ago.
Apparently only the Israeli embassy has responded.
That is why “Namsai” has apologized to this embassy.
Indeed, the Israeli government is hypersensitive and committed to serving the interests of all Jews in the world. An artist who makes a mistake should think twice about who she is apologizing to. that's my opinion. And not just to the person who asks for it.
The Israeli government is not overly sensitive.
It's a political game.
Constantly putting yourself in the victim role.
And let's not forget that Tailand didn't play a star role in WWII either…..
Yes Chris,
Maybe you could join Namsai for some tutoring. Ronny and I will come along for the fun, okay?
Bit corny. I would ask a Dutch youth who walks in Amsterdam with a Japanese flag on his t-shirt if he knows anything about Japanese prison camps in the former Dutch East Indies.
Dear Chris, Sorry your comparison with the current Japanese flag indicates that you have not fully understood the problem.
A Japanese flag, like all flags in this world, is not directly connected to their wrong history.
While the swastika from Nazi Germany is banned in many countries, and is also directly related to the terrible destruction and mass murders committed by the Nazis.
If only a national flag were already offensive, as you write, most countries, if we really looked at their history, would no longer be allowed to display a flag at all.
This is a lack of proper education. I've already asked the kids, they don't know anything about the second world war.
'T-shirt with swastika and Nazi flag on it' . To be completely correct it was a flag of the Kriegsmarine (the German Navy under the Nazis). Although the iron cross around the top left corner of the flag is missing.
The school books do of course mention the Second World War, the Germans and the Japs, but you will not easily find the Kriegsmarine flag there. Not even in Dutch high school books. If you don't know that flag from movies, for example, then I can imagine that you mistakenly use such a flag with a swastika on it and then don't make a link with WW2.
Source & photos:
- http://www.khaosodenglish.com/featured/2019/01/26/thai-idol-group-bnk48-member-wears-nazi-flag-on-stage/
- https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsmarine
Do we no longer know the word swastika, what am I supposed to do with “swastika”. After a few years of higher education, I looked up the translation, just to be sure, and yes swastika. So from now on clarity for everyone and not just for gentlemen academics!
Dear Ser Kokke,
That's the point: the difference between swastika and swastika. The swastika is a symbol from the ancient culture in India and means, among other things, prosperity and happiness and is a straight crossing. The swastika is that Nazi thing. They turned the swastika a quarter turn and printed it on their flags, as what symbol? don't ask me.
But that's why it's important to know the difference has nothing to do with academics.
Yep, you also see swastikas a lot in cemeteries in Vietnam and in (old) buildings. Haven't turned a quarter turn yet.
Even thought those T shirts are for sale here in abundance. With other things that we don't like so much.
Think more ignorance, never learned, Ah is not hated here either, as with us.
How many things are not printed on t-shirts etc. WITHOUT knowing what the exact meaning is???
Gentlemen, to whom should she apologize? The Ambassador of Israel represents all Jews, it seems to me! Wherever they live.
In addition, I would like to note that it is wrong to label her stupid in the media and blame Thailand's education system. She is ignorant, sure, but stupid? How so?
And the swastika is also a great source of misunderstanding. The original symbol from India is a straight intersection and signifies prosperity or life force. The Nazis turned that symbol a quarter turn, I don't know what they meant by that, but it does cause confusion. An ignorant person does not see the difference so easily and thinks to wear a nice cross with hooks as a sign of happiness.
I think it's great that the singer responded so quickly and so well, certainly not stupid!
Just as Iran or Indonesia does not represent all Muslims in the world, Israel cannot and should not represent all Jews. Judaism is a religion, not the only basic principle of a state. Whether it leads to discrimination against people of other faiths and that is indeed the case in Israel. In short, Israel is a racist state. The Jewish people also do not exist. A nation is a group of people who live in a certain area and feel connected to it. Has nothing to do with religion.
The sense of history among Thais is generally limited to the glorious moments of Thai history. Even what has happened in the surrounding countries in the last 100 years is well below ground level.
Why apologies?
Here below a story of the origin and use of the Swastika (swastika)
The Swastika (swastika)
The arms of the swastika can be of different widths and are usually (but not always) straight-lined. The swastika is chiral (that is, it has no mirror symmetry), but the two mirror-image variants have the symmetry of a cyclic group (C4), because every rotation of 90 degrees yields the same figure again.
So there are two swastika variants (卐 and 卍) in terms of shape. The distinction is very clear to see, but the naming of it leads to all kinds of mistakes. It is used inconsistently, sometimes even by the same writer. The two variants are called:
• left-pointing and right-pointing
• anticlockwise (counterclockwise) and clockwise rotation (clockwise)
However, that is ambiguous, hence the confusion over the use of all these designations. A correct unambiguous designation for 卐 would be: the upper side branch (or arm) points to the right. This shape would be referred to by many people as counterclockwise[1]. But the shape designation says nothing about the direction of the rotation itself. For example, the Falun Gong has a 卍 swastika on its website that always rotates clockwise for a while and then counterclockwise for a while.
Sometimes the 卍 variant is called Sauwastika (also often written sauvastika), but this is not considered authentic. It seems to have arisen from a sound change in Sanskrit. Usually both variants are simply referred to as “Swastika”.
The main association is with the sun, rising from the east and setting in the west. That is clockwise in the northern hemisphere (and looking south). In Western culture this is seen as positive. (light, day, clockwise) In Buddhism, the “sauwastika” 卍 is almost always used as an original symbol for the sun, life and health. The “counterclockwise” 卐 is considered evil and in Buddhism an unintentional mistake by its creator. As a positive symbol[2] see the Red swastika and the Hebrew swastika[3].
Associations with the rotation of the night starry sky around the pole star are also sometimes mentioned. That is clearer because the pole star can only be seen from the northern hemisphere and looking north. The direction of rotation is then counterclockwise: to the left. This is experienced as negative (dark, night, left). Added to this is the collective experience of Nazism, which used the 卐 (counterclockwise) swastika. The Latin word sinister means "left", see also right path[4].
The two associations of sun and pole star are confusing because they are opposite. The shape of the swastika is not reflected in the sky. Yet this symbol can also be seen in two ways: a right-handed swastika is a mirror image of a left-handed swastika. Day-night, left-right, dark-light: our world can just as easily be interpreted as twofold as one, three or fourfold. Thus, Hinduism knows the symbol as dual. In itself from the inside out: so one 卐 in the other 卍 or next to each other 卍卐卍卐卍卐. In buildings, the swastika is made with holes, so that both appearances can be seen on both sides of the wall[5]
“Sauwastikas” 卍 are used, among others, by the followers of the originally Tibetan Bön religion to show that they have a different religion than the followers of Tibetan Buddhism who use a 卐 swastika. The meaning of both symbols is the same for the followers of both religions. In spiritual teachings, anything can be contrary to human imagination. In Taoism, for example, the rule is that 'the Tao that can be described/named is not the Tao'.
So I don't know exactly which swastika she had on her T-shirt, but if it matches the swastika in the photo above, then it is clearly the Nazi symbol, and not the Swastika Cross.
Unlike the Swastika cross, this Nazi symbol is on one point of the cross, while the Swastika cross is twisted and completely on a hook of the cross.
It's all the fault of education....
Thais do not know history and have no idea what is happening outside Thailand...
You rarely see a Thai follow the news, with the exception of a few, but their interest invariably goes to soup series and cartoons...
Tell a Thai that someone has been to the moon…..and they just start laughing at you because they say…..can not.
TonyM
T-shirts with swastikas must be on sale in Thailand because yesterday I saw a lady with a swastika on it in the shopping center, when I told my Thai wife that it was not good to wear something like that, she looked surprised and asked what was wrong there on wash.
Hello CGM van Osch, I don't know where you copied this piece of text here, but it is about a large GERMAN SWAT CROSS.
Not just any swastika, but a twisted cross in a white circle with a red background.
the NAZI SYMBOL.
Yes, even the full NAZI FLAG with the crossed black stripes.
The girl, of course, knew nothing, how could she know.
In any case, afterwards she does not come up with a story about the spiritual meaning.
Dear CGM van Osch, google for:
– BNK48
en
– Nazi flag.
Do you notice something then?