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Home » News from Thailand » Short news » 94 road deaths, 1.051 persons injured
94 road deaths, 1.051 persons injured
Posted in Short news, News from Thailand
Tags: Sisaket, Road fatalities, Traffic accident
In the first two days of the 'seven dangerous days', 955 people died in 94 traffic accidents and 1.051 people were injured.
The provinces of Nakhon Pathom and Ayutthaya suffered the most casualties, followed by Petchabun, Bangkok and Lampang.
On Sunday, at the Bang Sing intersection of Nang Rong-Chamni Road, 12 people were killed when the pickup truck they were in collided with a bus. They were on their way to a family member's funeral in Buri Ram. In the bus bound for Si Sa Ket, 14 persons were injured; four have been admitted to Nang Rong hospital.
Score after 3 days: 1.605 accidents, 165 fatalities, 1.782 injured.
Update January 2:
4th day of 7 dangerous days for road accidents over the New Year sees 241 deaths and 2,382 injuries, Buri Ram sees highest deaths at 16.
yes, what do you want in a country where everyone can just buy a driver's license, without having the license to drive, sometimes when I'm on the road by car I sometimes have a complete cardiac arrest when I see the antics they do here on clear the roads
The government can be proud of its policy. They don't do anything about the alcohol control, sitting along the road with a water tank is a travesty.
If the police are equipped with equipment for alcohol control and the fines are increased accordingly, I think the death toll will drop considerably. But a human life doesn't count here.
Mai Pen Rai, wish you good health.
I don't understand why the Thai government wants to remain blind to all that "terror" on the roads. I can't imagine they wouldn't know about that, would they?
It is revengeful how "driving" is done on Thai roads, I wouldn't call many of them cowboys as we usually call them here for reckless behavior, but real murderers in the making.
You can only describe most of those drivers with one word, namely patented idiots behind the wheel of a VAN, bus, pick-up or truck.
You have to realize that such a driver of a VAN or bus bears responsibility for the lives of many innocent people. Shouldn't a license be obtained there to drive such vehicles? Or is that license nothing like so many documents or rules?
I personally have experienced it several times, sitting in a bus or VAN that I have literally been terrified. Once I drove from BKK to Hua Hin by VAN, it was pouring rain into the bargain, then I literally prayed during the entire trip, it was insanely hellish, let your imagination work then it is nothing compared to the reality.
I then returned to BKK a few days later … by train.
Why on earth does the Thai government not even want to tackle that problem thoroughly and carry out strict checks, accompanied by fines AND sanctions?
My Thai friends recognize that the local police are too lazy to go on patrol, except when they need some “pocket money”…
They usually doze off in the air conditioning of their desk (seen with their own eyes), sleep, eat, play with their mobile phones or have fun stories to tell each other...
Yes, then you might as well send all those "policemen" home and set up a real police force. But who will “lose face” here again? So… nothing happens… to the end…
And the innocent continue to pay the full bill with their lives, shamefully indeed.
I am shocked, it seems like the wild east with those bad drivers. I also heard that a foreigner is often blamed, even if the question of guilt is out of order. Things such as never hand over your driver's license, etc., because you are lost him. Also, the foreigners can usually count on a bigger fine, why not, they came to bring money anyway?lol
With a first class insurance you have no problems.
That will help you if you end up in the morgue because of such an idiotic fool…
You're absolutely right about that, but until then you'd better be properly insured.
…..by train. Roland, do you have any idea how many rail accidents there are in Thailand. I do. Large and small together about three hundred a year. So next time just by…. Yes for what exactly?
Come up with real substantiated figures, 2 major train accidents in recent years:
January 17, 2005, Bangkok 140 injured passengers.
October 05, 2009 Hua Hin, 7 people killed and dozens injured.
I searched the internet, I really couldn't find more, also in Thai newspapers indeed,
The train is a safe mode of transport in Thailand.
Again if you have better information; please, but with substantiated figures.
I myself have crossed Thailand from north to south and from east to west and vice versa and I have absolutely no reason to complain, better than that rushing on the "highways".
Regards,
Lex K
Less than two weeks ago. Accident in Prachuab Kiri Khan. Two wagons derailed. 26 injured people admitted to Kuiburi hospital. Was actually in the papers. You obviously haven't read. My details were in the Bangkok Post about a year ago. Unfortunately, I did not save the article and can therefore not let you read it. But there it was, as I wrote. Major and minor accidents. It is likely that things will also be counted such as: freight car hits buffer block. By the way, I sometimes travel by train, and usually with pleasure. Regards, Hans
Relatively speaking, the train is the safest, I will probably not have been able to find a number of accidents, I remember a case where a train derailed at or near a market or station, but the ratio between the number of road deaths and those with train accidents is really more favorable for the train, I think it is a wonderful means of transport, even almost never had a delay.
Regards,
Lex
traffic is a killer. Short but sweet: Some police cars driving around, handing out some fines that works, but you never see any police. I haven't done that yet. That's the only thing that works: fines and police
tinco
tinco fs lycklama a nyeholt.
You will certainly never come to the go-kart track that is called Thailand.
The last 2 days there were 3 checkpoints at 10 km in Hua Hin.
I myself go to Ubon Ratchathani every 3 months, where I am certainly stopped 3 times along the way.
My average at that distance is 1 ticket per trip, whether or not justified.
Most of those tickets I have from the police that I have not seen .
A little further on you are still laughing because the fine is so low and you continue cheerfully and with a bit of bad luck it is screeching with the cops who then arrest you if you show proof that you have already paid a ticket.
Treat those guys nicely, give them a cigarette and some sweets, then your trip can't go wrong.
Happy New Year.
It is simply wonderful to drive a car in Thailand yourself.
It takes some getting used to but every time I drive there with great pleasure.
Checks, well you bet, with every stay in Thailand I am stopped a few times.
Often my daughter also drives the car and I sit next to it, and during a check they are usually very friendly when they see that there is a Farag in the car.
Not really a fine, just have a nice chat and say which country you come from.
When they hear that you are from the Netherlands, they often start talking about football because almost everyone knows that.
Regards, Jacob.
I posit something, and just shoot people.
We're all talking about the fact that a human life doesn't count in Thailand.
However, you will only kill someone. How do you live then?
In NL you can seek mental help, in Th this is not done.
In the USA, thousands of veterans die, who have served in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, among others.
Traumas that can hardly be processed, apparently. How do Thais process trauma?
We all know, on the outside Thai are tough as nails. Maybe not from the inside, but the road to, among other things, mental health care is closed.
Then you would say, a lot of derailed Thai, who pass this on to the next generation.
Isn't there something fundamentally wrong with Thai society? (regarding bereavement, empathy, etc)
The police do carry out checks on, among other things, alcohol, speed or mopeds without a helmet. They set up a trap and then everyone is checked, seen only yesterday. Also, they have speed radar control equipment. My wife recently got a ticket for driving 20 km too fast, 200 baht… she also had to laugh about it.
However, they could do much more and even become very rich by enforcing the rules. They don't, why is not clear to me. I think it's easier to make money through a bribe.
This morning I saw a scooter lying on the road, a mother with a baby was standing next to it and the driver was picking up his scooter. This was on the highway in Bkk and I suspect that the mother and baby were on the back of the scooter during the accident. She was not wearing a helmet and had no injuries as far as I could see. I drove on because no one was hurt.
I have long learned to let it pass me by, this is Thailand. If you can't stand this then you have arrived in the wrong country.
What I find very annoying is that if 2 cars have collided, they will remain on the road until the insurance has arrived. Even with minor damage, they will continue to block the lanes for an hour, which can cause major traffic jams. The other thai remain very calm under this and well then you will arrive at your destination an hour later.
I somehow understand your first reaction: “If you can't bear to see this then you have arrived in the wrong country”.
But it is not because the country is full of abuses that you should take that for granted.
If no one ever raises this, or rather denounces it, yes, that means as much as agreeing.
Even if it's just a trickle, this wrong mentality urgently needs to be worked on. There has to be some kind of awareness (of responsibility) transferred to the Thai. And who better to do that than the farags.
Somewhere the farangs who live there (and are also subject to it) have a damned duty to set a good example and, through their Thai relations, to teach the Thai principles and sense of regulation in dribs and drabs. Who else do you think will do it?
It is the natural reaction of a civilized being not to stop there, although I am well aware that it takes time and will only trickle down to the Thai.
After all, it is still a third world country, there is still work to be done.
This is now a typical example of the missionary mentality, where I once talked about it, the Westerner is superior to the Easterner with his way of life and morals and in the interest of the local population we have a moral obligation to explain the people's values and standards to Western standards.
And again, I think I'm saying this for the 25th time Thailand is not a third world country, with a lot of things we can take an example from them, just to name 1; modesty.
Regards,
Lex K
Dear man, explain to me how it should ever change?
If I understand you correctly you think it's all ok how things are going, in this case the madhouse on the Thai roads and the TOTAL lack of discipline. With the sad death toll as a result.
As for "third world country" I did not hear from myself, but I was told by well-educated Thai who live here in Belgium. And moreover, they also substantiated this statement, it would take us too far afield to elaborate on it here.
And as for that "modesty", for me indifference is not synonymous with modesty.
you are talking about a country full of abuses, wrong mentality, transferring responsibility from Westerner to Thai, who can do that better than the farang?
We have a duty to set a good example in their country? maybe, but are they also obliged to follow that good example? and who decides what is good in this, we (the visitor) or they the hosts and ladies?
Who else will do it you ask, I quote you, my answer; perhaps the Thai themselves, more and more well-educated Thais are added every day.
And why the "damn duty"
I'm going to quote you again'”It is the natural reaction of a civilized being not to stop there, ie to impose our values and norms on the Thais.
And for me, modesty is not synonymous with indifference either.
About your comment about the “well-educated” Thai in Belgium, I can only shrug my shoulders about that, that is just hear and say, I know more than enough Thai in the Netherlands, also with a decent education, who have only always find an uncivilized people and think of Thailand with great homesickness, but cannot go back due to circumstances.
Roland you haven't been in Asia long enough, I notice from your reaction. There are billions of people living in Asia and they live as it is. Who are we farang to come and change things here? Do we sometimes feel superior to these people?
Poor people in this developing country also have the right to transport and housing. That's why you see slums in addition to residential areas (often belonging to construction workers) and you also see the most dangerous moped bikes on the roads. Should those poor Thais leave Bkk because they can't buy a safe car or a nice house?
Just go to a suburb in Bkk and sit along the street for an hour watching the traffic, it's a big madhouse that moves but it's all going well and no one is honking or making a fuss. Of course accidents sometimes happen, but that lady with baby who fell with the moped will do it again tomorrow, I bet on that. I've seen this happen so many times I can't stand it anymore.
Like you, I've often thought that things have to change, but I'm not going to succeed and I don't want to put any energy into it either. If you feel unsafe in traffic, you should buy a thicker car, that's how it works here.
The motorcyclists could wear a helmet for safety, they don't (always) because it's too hot. I myself think the same way now. The government could fix the holes in the road or educate the Thai to use the turn signals. They don't do this so it goes as it goes.
More and more well-educated Thais are joining the ranks? It's what you call well-educated. They know little about food safety, road safety, electricity safety, fire safety or any other kind of safety. They often don't like cheese either, maybe that's it.
What the Thai are very good at compared to farang is enjoying life and not worrying about anything. Buddha protects them and if it does go wrong then so be it.
Dear man, explain to me how it should ever change? Then whose should it change? Not from the Thai, otherwise it would happen.
Thailand is not a developing country. I see large residential areas here, the cheapest of which costs 40 million baht, there are more expensive German cars driving around than in Holland and people eat more often in restaurants than in Holland (including poorer people), so who is undeveloped?
Well dear Nok, Thailand is indeed a developing country (3rd world).
This is not a shame, with Western help it is best to develop the business. But let them not assume the attitude of having it all in-house.
Dear Dave, there is a difference between 3rd world countries and developing countries. Of course, all this is viewed from the perspective of the often Western countries. 3rd World countries were countries that were not members of either NATO (western countries) or Warsaw Pact (eastern bloc countries). For convenience, those 3rd world countries were called; had nothing to do with the level of development.
Developing countries are identified by the OECD on the basis of a number of criteria, one of the most important of which is GDP. Thailand is still on that list, but in terms of GNP it is in the highest/last category, also together with countries such as China and Turkey.
A characteristic for a developing country is often also looked at the national debt. If we take that into account, then all European countries, together with America, are currently also developing countries.
It may surprise you, but the same countries – Thailand, China and Turkey – are also providers (donors) of development money/aid, according to the OECD. Perhaps these countries will soon come to Europe's aid. This is expected from China itself! Who will be the developing countries in the future?
I find your comments about “Western aid” (can you tell me which one) and “don't let them take the attitude of having it all themselves” typical of a Westerner, very haughty and almost colonial. This while at the moment a large number of Western countries can barely keep their pants on and are ruled as a banana republic.
Did you know that after the Tsunami in 2004, Thailand accepted almost no (financial) aid from abroad? Pretty good for a developing country.
By the way, you should read Paul Theroux's book “dark star safari”. He describes (as a former development worker) well the benefit that we bring to all developing countries with the help you praise.
come on then bacchus, compulsory education, building regulations, facilities for the disabled,
child labour, corruption, minimum income, etc. Is that enough for you? We don't have to praise Thailand at all costs.
Dave, I don't give a damn. I just don't get why many Westerners think they are more intelligent and responsible, have a better mentality, etcetera (there are still a few prejudices to be found in the comments), in short, they are a lot better than the Thai in this case. Sometimes I sometimes think that colonialism is still in some people's genes, or that Westerners would like to constantly stick a feather in their ass.
I don't understand your examples in this whole context, but come on. I'll show you some combinations. Education is also compulsory in Thailand and in the Netherlands more and more students drop out without a diploma. There is also a kind of WAO in Thailand and in the Netherlands all facilities for the disabled and the elderly are increasingly being stripped down. Child labor exists by the grace of Western companies and consumers; they want cheap junk (because we have it so good). Corruption also exists in the West; there we sometimes give it a different name and it is called “lobby”. There is also a minimum income in Thailand and food banks are springing up like mushrooms in the Netherlands. Who is underdeveloped now?
Don't think that the Westerner is an “ubermensch” because he has some euros in his pocket and speaks an average of three more words of English (I recently read a nice piece about this on the bloq) than an Asian, African or South American. Now name me a developing country where, as a result of those great Western influences and aid, the level of prosperity and development has risen to a Western level? I just want to close with the following: “Pride comes before a fall!”
Dear Bacchus, there is no exchange of ideas with you, you are (against your better judgement) only deceiving yourself. And you conclude with superlatives that generally do not make sense.
What does all this have to do with things like “ubermensch” and pride?
Please go back to what he was originally about in this blog.
Dear Roland, read the comments again, I would say. I respond to comments such as “third world country” and “that the farang should come and put things in order here, otherwise it will never work”; speaking of superlatives. I don't know what these comments have to do with this article. Apparently that can be written, but not responded to.
I think comments like this show pride. Apparently some think that they can arrange things better than the Thai in his own country, then you feel yourself elevated; hence "ubermensch". This kind of thinking has also ensured that the west was quickly overtaken economically and technically by Japan in the 60s and 70s and now also by China, hence “pride comes after the fall”.
I would also read Lex K's responses again, they fit in well with mine.
I don't fool myself, I leave that to others. I have given my substantive and substantiated opinion on the article and the reactions, which does not mean that everyone has to agree with me. I respect everyone, everyone's opinion and especially the customs in a country where I have been allowed to stay as a guest for a number of years. Especially the latter I think is important (and decent) and I show it.
yes offcours bachhus, europe is nothing compared to thailand. You are right, I will not understand. Look thailand is a nice country as long as you get up on time for the right person, bring your earned money there, and you don't take anything else with you interferes.
A developing country is not measured by looking at the richest (often as a result of corruption), with the many ostentatious villas and expensive sports cars, but by the number and education level of the poorest!
I know, in Bangkok there are many super expensive European sports cars, Ferraris, Lamborginis, Porsches, etc. Usually cars of spoiled sons of that kind of rich or gangsters. Ditto the kind of villas of 40 million and more. If all this is a sign of development for you, then yes, we do have a different opinion.
Roland, read one of my previous comments. To determine whether a country is a developing country, the GNP (the average income per inhabitant) is taken into account; if this is below (I thought) USD 12.000 per year, a country is categorized as a developing country. So it has nothing to do with the number of poor people and/or their level of education.
In the past, other criteria were also used, such as the debt burden of a country and the level of corruption, but these matters have been left out for the sake of convenience because they often occur at a comparable and sometimes even higher level in developed countries. Well, that's how it works in developed countries.
[Just go to a suburb in Bkk and sit along the street for an hour and watch the traffic, it's a big madhouse moving but it's all going well ]
That is a bold statement, that everything is going well, if you consider that proportionally in Th there are 6 times as many deaths in traffic as in NL.
Absolutely about 700 in NL and 15.000 in Th in 1 year.
Also in the last paragraph you make a few bold statements, which are completely unsubstantiated.
(about German cars, and eating out)
After being reminded again yesterday that the roads can be very slippery when it rains , I can not fail to draw the attention of new road users .
Just yesterday, while you don't expect rain at this time and it was busy on the road with many tourists, it rained quite a long time in the area of Hua hin.
Oil and rubber on the road in combination with water can cause surprises.
Keep your distance, downshift to control the car on a slippery road.
Especially when approaching traffic lights, there is sometimes confusion, for us it is sometimes strange how the traffic lights work, where there can also be additional confusion that you can turn left at one traffic light at red and not at the other intersection.
In addition , many road users try to get into a good starting position just before the lights in the way the drivers warm up their tires in F1 .
Every road death in Thailand or anywhere in the world is one too many. However, it is a bit short-sighted to attribute the number of road deaths in Thailand entirely to terror, irresponsibility, lack of mentality, lack of education, poor driver training, good manners and what not on the part of the road users. Very shortsighted, I think.
Certainly, there is still a lot that can be done about road safety in Thailand and a lot of other countries in the world, but that has little to do with the above. What I miss in many responses is the comparison of infrastructure, traffic composition, traffic density, transport use, etcetera.
The Netherlands is doing well with an average of 650 deaths per year. But yes, in the Netherlands we also use bicycles and mopeds, but there are a lot fewer than in Asian countries. Moreover, use in the Netherlands is mainly concentrated in the (large) cities, while in Thailand, for example, they also drive on the major roads. In the Netherlands you have neat cycle paths, in many countries none.
In the Netherlands you have few pick-ups; in Thailand, for economic reasons, this is the number 1 means of transport, next to mopeds. Well, if the container is full and an accident happens, then the number of victims can be guessed.
The traffic density in the Netherlands does not encourage speeding, unless it is over the emergency lane. Morning and evening rush hours in the Netherlands give a daily picture of an average of 250 km of traffic jams; hard to hit the gas pedal once in a while.
In short, there are a lot of explanations for the different number of road deaths in Thailand compared to, for example, the Netherlands that have nothing to do with mentality, responsibility, terror, education, rudeness and the like. I would call that nonsense of the first order. In the Netherlands you probably have just as many crazy people on the road as in Thailand.
I also don't know how Thailand compares to the rest of the world in this regard. I don't think there are any statistics on the number of road deaths in Thailand. I do know that Argentina has been number 1 for years and Greece is not far behind.
And then this: I came back from Koh Kood with a few Dutch friends a few weeks ago. Along the way, we and fellow road users were almost driven off the road twice by two cars that wanted to turn a 2 lane road into a 4 lane in the mountains. Later those two cars stopped at the same gas station as us. What came out? That's right: foreigners! What good manners!
[1. Well, if the bucket is full and an accident happens, the number of victims can be guessed.]
And that has nothing to do with a sense of responsibility?
In Greece there are 3600 road deaths per year, which is approximately 7 times more than in the Netherlands.
This is slightly worse than the Thai figures. But whether a Greek (and also a Turk) really participates in traffic with a great sense of responsibility….
I hereby indicate that it is a generally accepted custom that a loading platform is full of people, often for economic reasons. Look at the (pick-up) vans that drive around packed and the contractors who drive their employees to and from work in the pick-up. Should those people just buy a bigger bus or refuse people or let their staff walk to work or let them get into those already overcrowded buses? I do not deny that it is dangerous, but who is responsible? The drivers, the people who get in, the government that accepts this or turns a blind eye to it? I rather think that there is not really thought about possible consequences. It will probably be the fault of Buddhism.
I don't know how Thailand compares to other countries in this case. I do know that Argentina has been at the top for years with an average of 7.500 deaths per year.
bachhus I think you are mixing things up; what does Argentina have to do with Thailand? Or did I miss something. Be realistic, keep loving Thailand, because it is a fantastic holiday destination.
Bacchus.
I get the impression that you are angry .
Take 1 driving course for fun and see where they have to drive off, then you really go crazy with anger that they give someone such a driver's license.
To drive off you have to come with your own means of transport while you have to try to get the driver's license there.
You will only get into a collision with someone who is on their way to get their driver's license.
I've seen ladies who had to reverse into a parking space and ended up flipped.
Resut, successful.
Paying a visit there is really an attraction, you do not have to pay an entrance fee.
Dear Pim,
I don't get angry easily; I can be surprised at short-sighted conclusions. I understand from your response that you are a "spotter" at driving schools. In America and Canada, where a large part of my family lives, you used to be able to get your driver's license with a “tour around the church”. Maybe the Thai learned that from the Americans during their presence in the 60's and 70's. So probably that Western influence again that makes things unsafe.
Bacchus.
That is not mockery but experience .
If you have to go there again to renew your driver's license, you will see that getting a driver's license has become a lot more difficult.
Now you even get to take a slope test on a mountain of 2 meters high, parking and watching a video where you can see that you are not allowed to throw a butt out the window have also been added.
This is different from the old days when you had to turn left and then reverse to park around the corner 30 cm from the sidewalk.
Even then there were those who fell.
Without damage I have been driving for 45 years after having passed my driving license in 1x with 8 lessons of 1 hour in NL.
Here I made it after a thank you from the instructor for the lesson I had given him in 5 minutes.
The conclusion is not short-sighted if I can see someone's behavior from afar or can drive it.
Pim, I'm not talking about "spotting", but "spotter" as in "plane spotters". Maybe you should give some hints on this bloq what we should look out for to see if someone can drive. Can you also see whether there is a Thai or a foreigner in it, I just wonder?
Bacchus, you are one to me.
Really a castle line, even if you haven't been there, you always know how to turn it so that you want to be right.
They hear most stories from customers and tell it as if they were there, they forget that their profession takes a lot of time in their pub so that they often have not experienced it themselves.
In this 3rd world country you can already see questionable driving that it is often a driver without balls.
On the roller coaster you can often see it on the decorated car that quietly mops from left to right with 160 km, according to the owner that is easy because it has a spoiler and whether you can get it through your window, the driver doesn't care. is at that moment already 1 km away .
And when you ask if you can see if there is a foreigner in it, you don't have to worry about it.
If there is no dark glass in it, you can see it.
I think it would be nice to drink a glass of ranja together.
Make sure we don't stop talking.
At an airport I think it would be nice to spot together between conversations .
During a driving test there is a chance that the candidates would distract us too much .
well PIM, I think a good Thai whiskey is more appropriate, LOL
We close the discussion. Thanks for your comment.