The emotions about the 'Yellow vaccination book' are also keeping the administrators in The Hague busy. For example, Minister De Jonge believes that the GGDs should not record the corona vaccination in the yellow vaccination booklet.
That booklet is mainly intended as proof for vaccinations against yellow fever or hepatitis A and B. Publisher SDU says that it is international proof and that the corona vaccination could easily be added. That could be useful for Dutch people who go on holiday now that the European vaccination certificate does not yet exist.
A number of GGDs also refuse to note the injection in the booklet they bring along. Minister De Jonge supports this approach. He says the yellow vaccination booklet has no international status and that it is "not useful" as proof of vaccination for Covid-19. It would also create too much extra work for the GGD employees. He advises everyone to keep the vaccination card provided and to take it with them.
The PvdA does not understand De Jonge's attitude. Travelers may run into problems at the border if they have not kept their vaccination certificate. De Jonge wants to wait until a central registration has been arranged, then a vaccination certificate can be shown as an app on a telephone (there will also be a paper version). The central registration is not yet in order, because regional systems are not yet linked.
Source: NOS.nl
Weird statement by de Jonge the yellow vaccination booklet is recognized by the WHO
The vaccine is still in the experimental phase. After all, it is still the case that people who have been vaccinated can still pass on Covid 19 to others and they can also get Covid 19 themselves. If it were recorded in the yellow vaccination booklet, they must be able to assume 100% that the above does not apply. Only after the test phase around Dec. They can take stock in 2023.
Just been for the 1st shot. Vaccination simply credited to the yellow booklet (Schiphol)
Downright ridiculous because the Corona vaccine is not in the yellow book
want to place. This brings people who travel abroad
into trouble. If I were to be vaccinated in the Netherlands, I would
I put it in my yellow book and also a proof in English. All those stories
about a vaccination passport can take a long time. You can use better
making use of what has been there for years and works.
YES
There will (soon) be an app that indicates that you are immune to Covid 19 and can travel without a test. Perhaps they can also provide it on paper for those who do not have a mobile.
On April 18th I was vaccinated for the first time with Comirnaty vaccine from BioNKech/Pfizer. Neatly received a printed registration card from the Ministry of Health with name, date of birth and vaccine details. In ten days I will receive the second vaccination and I will also receive a new Registration Card with all (supplemented) data. I have been told that I must be able to present this when traveling abroad if requested to do so. Apart from that, I don't have a yellow book. So I can't prove anything that way.
Well mister de Jonge, I have worked a lot in Africa etc for the last 15 years. I can tell you that before presenting a passport, a yellow booklet is first inspected. So it is indeed recognized.
The man is starting to get pretty annoying and apparently doesn't understand that as long as there isn't a better system (which could take a while if it's up to our politicians, who currently prefer to focus on themselves in the 2nd chamber than on the country's problems), the yellow book certainly can't hurt!
Fortunately, my GP agrees with me and if in 4 weeks the GGD West Brabant tries to refuse me again at the 2nd injection, I will still get the injection from my GP.
I believe that non-medical still does not understand that it is a Public Health CRISES, and that you have to make do with what you already have. You can't always wait for "perfect". As in my opinion, for example, the AstraZ decision for NL is wrong. NL is already too far below the average in the EU in terms of vaccination. I wish I could get it here where I live…
And now this again. Absurd! Isn't that booklet THE most formal document for yourself and others of all your personal vaccination history WHAT IS IMMEDIATELY AT HAND? So of course an anti-Covid injection must also be included!
Instead of teaching and accelerating into politics, he should indeed have traveled up and down between Africa and Asia more often … (Note: live here on an island with another small island next to it, with the monument remains of the quarantine stay for Mecca-goers when they came back by boat to Indonesia. Was mainly anti yellow fever if I'm right. Reason color booklet?)
That the yellow booklet of the SDU (a revenue model for this company, so they are against the attitude of HdJ) is the most formal document that exists, you make it all yourself. If that were the case, everyone in the country and beyond would be obliged to have such a booklet in their cupboard. And that's not true. You will not get anywhere with this "document" if that country has not yet opened that border. As a Dutch person you can go to those countries that want to receive Dutch people, and then it does not matter whether or not you show that booklet. Not even asked for. NB: the largest group, namely the young people, have not yet received one injection and it will take weeks and weeks before it is their turn. And it is precisely that group that is eager to go on holiday outside the Netherlands. In short: HdJ is very right to put an end to cold crowds.
Yet another app that hackers can use to steal our data
No government can give us 100% certainty
but require us to do everything electronically
Too much work to fill in Dear mr. De Jonge, keep the paperwork as small as possible. One many booklet containing everything about vaccinations. A child can do the laundry. Now politics
I don't understand it at all anymore. When I first went to Thailand in 1983, you had to go through passport control according to your yellow book,
The opinion of Minister De Jonge regarding this yellow book makes no sense at all.
How can you, as a minister, after so many years of existence of this booklet, now begin to rank for which type of vaccination this booklet is intended?
It is an international vaccination booklet, where, as long as there is no replacement booklet / proof from the WHO, all vaccinations that a person has had are listed.
Assuming that this has certainly not been the last virus, and it is still far from certain whether we will need a new corona injection in a year's time, I wonder how many Apps we will need in the future to cover all these injections separately to prove.
And what about all those people who don't have a Smartphone until now, or don't even want to have one?
So when I go on holiday with my children, the vaccinations are now listed in at least 3 places.
All teething problems on the ministry's registration list, the yellow booklet for travel vaccinations and now another app or A4 for Covid.
There will also be a separate HPV registration for my daughter.
Nice and handy. We can't make it more fun.
In addition to the above, even if there is a paper version, how many of these versions would you have to take with you on a trip, if this certainly wasn't the last corona injection?
Isn't a small booklet in which all injections are neatly noted down much simpler and clearer for everyone?
Of course it will be counteracted as much as possible. This government has absolutely no interest in Jan going on holiday with the hat and spending his money elsewhere.
Dear People, It is not in the interest of the government that you spend money outside the Netherlands. This is why people are procrastinating. Because as long as there is no clarity. and not a legal remedy. If you go on holiday outside the Netherlands, you will run into problems. I understand there is no app until August. That app is then only valid for travel within Europe.
regards Antony
There are 2 major obstacles to the use of the yellow vaccination booklet.
1. The safety. Unlike the current passport, which is very difficult to forge, the vaccination booklet has no form of security. How can authorities judge that the yellow booklet shown indeed belongs to the holder of the passport.
2. The validity period of a vaccination. Unlike yellow fever, for example, it is currently unknown how long a person vaccinated for Covid19 is protected and to what extent others can still be infected. A follow-up injection may be required every year or every 6 months. So you can say “I have been vaccinated and I want to be able to travel”, but are you sure that you cannot infect others at your travel destination?
Point 2 applies to any proof of vaccination, booklet or app or otherwise to be shown. Nothing guarantees the validity period of a vaccination other than the vaccine itself and the advancing insight in this regard, and that insight will only be available when we have arrived well and truly in mid-2022.
Ad 1. We don't have anything better yet. This is still the best out there so far. Don't throw away your old flip-flops until you get new ones.
Re 2. Other vaccinations are also not sufficient forever. And that is precisely the beauty of such a simple booklet: Can you or can others easily check for you whether it is better to get another 'booster', or whatever you want to call it.
Peter point 1: the yellow book has been in use for decades, so it has already proven its worth. After all, it could already be counterfeited then. An app is certainly not safer: hacking, phising, scam etc Thai immigration will soon see a lot of different apps, the yellow book was already an institution in any case.
Point 2: has nothing to do with yellow booklet, just as applicable for an app
Point 1: As long as there are no other vaccination booklets, this is and remains the only possibility to make a vaccination recognisable.
In the case of forgery, which is certainly possible, both the forger himself and the user of the forged document are (internationally) punishable.
To take on all this risk of a document forgery just for a holiday, while I also do not yet know how severely this crime will be punished in the holiday country, I personally consider very ill-considered and extremely burdened with the possibility of a discovery.
Point 2 Even if one would need a new vaccination every 6 months, this is no problem at all, to also mention this vaccination again and again in a valid document.
Would one, as a vaccinated person, want to prove that one is (IMMUNE) with a forgery of the yellow book, and in doing so still take the risk that he could infect himself and third parties, one would in principle be doubly punishable.
That's why I think most will think very carefully before they even try to go out with a counterfeit booklet unvaccinated.
Unfortunately, DeJonge is unsuitable as a minister in times of crisis. Too stuck in Hague consultation models and whispered by lawyers.
The yellow booklet is an internationally recognized printed matter, without any formal meaning. But in the rest of the world people know how and with what you were vaccinated (not only covid, other diseases as well).
It is nonsense that the GGD would not have time. So after vaccination you have to wait 15 minutes, so enough time for the GGD to fill in the Yellow Booklet. If necessary, wait an extra 10 minutes. It is also not exactly the case that everyone has such a yellow book, so the numbers are not too bad.
The Yellow Booklet is also published by the Ministry of Health via the Sdu. De Jonge apparently wants to remove the crowds from the GGD or protect them against criticism by contradicting his own department and thus embarrassing himself.
Hopefully a wise lesson from this pandemic is that in times of crisis there is a competent minister at the helm. Actually, that applies to every department and that has certainly not been the case in recent decades (Voorhoeve was not exactly our rock in the storm at the time of Sebrenica).
I have never seen a yellow book born as a Dutchman during my 68 years of life.
Did you have any vaccinations as a child?
Many of my vaccinations during my 7 years of service were stamped in my military passport at the time.
And what does that booklet look like, is it just like the international driver's license, a simple booklet that can certainly be easily counterfeited by counterfeiters?
What value does this book have, I wonder.
Jan Beute.
In Thailand, for example, the Dutch international driver's license is leading when applying for a Thai driver's license. So apparently there is value given to these kinds of books. See also Irene's contribution on this subject.
Not 'leading', but accepted as a translation of the Dutch driver's license.
Dear Cornelis and Jacques,
Got my Thai driver's license a month ago. People (in three places) have not even asked about my international driver's license, but they have asked about my pink Dutch driver's license.
Leading: no; accepted as translation: neither.
In my case it was expressly requested for translation, but as with almost everything in Thailand, everyone draws their own plan…….
In my case it was leading, because without this document you would not get a Thai driver's license in Pattaya in 2015. Dutch driver's license turned out not to be interesting there (was not copied) and my pink Thai ID card did not count as a Thai address either. Had to pick up a residence document at immigration. So you can see how they are handled differently. Randomness that knows no bounds.
Dear Jan Beute, The fact that you have never seen the yellow vaccination booklet as a born Dutchman does not mean that it never existed.
Most Dutch people or even foreigners living in the Netherlands have known this yellow book for years.
Even for those who have lost it during their many years of life, there is always the possibility to order this booklet again.
For the booklet, and the re-order options, check out the link below.
https://www.sdu.nl/over-sdu/producten-diensten/formulieren/mijnvaccinatieboekje
every sailor has or had a yellow booklet belonging to your muster booklet no yellow booklet in many countries you were not allowed to go ashore my yellow fever was important afterwards more vaccinations were given for my hepatitis. had all the injections in the port zhs with government stamps and now declare that the yellow book is not valid???
Flown for 31 years for national airline and checked many times, in many countries, for correctly updated yellow booklet. The Dutch "corona minister" speaks nonsense.
Is this man off track?
An International Vaccination booklet (Yellow booklet) recognized by WVS, RIVM and WHO.
He urgently needs to do his homework!!
This is crazy to be!!
Fortunately, also super organized in Venlo, stamp, sticker, scribble in the Yellow Booklet. It takes them less than half a minute.
Can really see that de Jonge has not (yet) been outside EU borders..
As an alderman (at the time) it would have been affordable for him.
Wherever requested, shown and acknowledged….
Not suitable to talk to on a (travel-international) level!
Should be better informed and not get stuck in “own right”!
The fact that the “yellow book” has been recognized by WVS does not matter unless you mean your VWS. It doesn't matter that the yellow booklet has been recognized by the RIVM, because every other country only recognizes their own institute. The whole discussion surrounding this SDU product is completely unknown elsewhere in the EU: nothing even in the neighboring countries, let alone the UK, FR, SP or IT, the holiday countries par excellence. Let's not even talk about outside the EU. Please note: the WHO is in favor of a worldwide "corona passport / app"!! Why would that be?
The Corona pandemic has caused many people in this world (especially in poorer countries where the majority of the world's population lives) to become just as poor as they were 30 to 40 years ago.
Any idea how many of them think they will soon go to another country on vacation or buy a smartphone?
Just for fun, ask the Thai countryside how many Thais have been abroad for a holiday in their lives.
I can confirm that for Germany. I have lived there since 1990 and at the first vaccination I immediately received the yellow trilingual vaccination booklet with WHO logo (ISBN 978-3943422061). Free of charge, in a plastic case. It lists all the vaccinations I've had over the past 30 years, including those with Moderna.
Fraud resistance is not an argument against the yellow booklet. Counterfeiting is just a crime.
Boy oh dear Mr. de Jonge, if you are busy with really important matters, you would already have had a watertight system with regard to registration, let us now take care of ourselves because you are only busy there to enjoy the plush in The Hague. can stay put.
You can see that this minister has only just come out of his diapers, I have had the yellow vacc. booklet since 1970, when it existed as the only legal and worldwide proof of vaccination, that is to say all vaccination and not just Covid. With me, both injections are neatly credited and stamped and provided with a signature, perhaps superfluously: I am happy with it. Again, that the minister does not agree is just his fault, not only is his entire vaccination campaign indicative of his ignorance, but it now appears that he is also unwilling and completely stubborn; The Netherlands is very happy with this kind of minister, who has more interest in flashy shoes and shows appalling ignorance.
I am unlucky that the GGD department, which vaccinated me, refused to put my vaccination in my GGD vaccination booklet. What nonsense, but it is not allowed by the minister. I am firmly convinced that after the Corona vicissitudes, de Jonge will be offered a nice job at a pharmaceutical company that sells tests. It's crazy that I want to go to France (open as of June 9) and I'm fully caccinated, I still have to do another PCR test at € 135, just to name something simple.
Incidentally, there are countries that apparently already have the telephone app operational (Spain, France), what is difficult about a QR code?
The government is trying to prevent holidays as long as possible and to keep everyone within the national borders.
And what good is the yellow book when you travel to Thailand?
That is not clear, but the booklet has the right color.
I also have 1 and the last flu shot (a few months ago) was neatly registered.
I have been vaccinated by the GGD in Maastricht. There, everyone receives a registration card for corona vaccination without asking, issued by the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment, Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport. In two languages. In Dutch and in English. With the mention of your name according to your passport, the vaccination dates, product name and batch number.
If we have to leave certain things because the product could be or become counterfeit, most of the economies in this world will collapse. Immediately. And also our faith in humanity.
“The PvdA does not understand De Jonge's attitude. It is possible that travelers will get into trouble at the border if they have not kept their vaccination certificate.”
Someone who carelessly throws away their vaccination card and then wants to go through customs should not be allowed to travel. As long as that European / world vaccination passport or whatever the governments want is not there, it seems wise to put the only proof you do have with your passport and NEVER lose it and certainly not throw it away…. unbelievable.
Of course you don't throw it away, but it can get lost. Maybe not with young people, but with the elderly (and with Rutte) forgetfulness sometimes plays a role. And how long should you keep such proof: 1 year, 2 years, 10 years, the rest of your life?
In fact, you only need that proof to leave your home country and/or to travel. Although…with about 25-35% of people who may not get vaccinated (also not necessary for herd immunity) I don't believe such proof is mandated by all carriers and by all countries around the world and for many years (apart from privacy legislation).
But there is a good alternative: let the government put a stamp in your passport that you have been vaccinated. Not all those loose papers. It looks like the Middle Ages. You have a chip in your passport, right? They know practically everything about you and for something as important as a vaccination certificate you get paper?
Stamp is not necessary at all. ZXit is a nice chip in almost every passport.
In many less developed countries, paper with stamps is aroused. The official there cannot understand that everything is printed on such a small plate.
“But there is a good alternative: let the government put a stamp in your passport that you have been vaccinated.”
In many cases, vaccination does not mean that you are immune forever. With the COVID-19 virus, that is still completely unknown. What is the value of a stamp in your passport?
It simply means, no more and no less than that you have been vaccinated. That will surely be one of the travel conditions in the near future. And you have fulfilled that condition.
Thailand introduced a vaccination booklet at the beginning of this month:
https://scandasia.com/thailand-introduces-international-vaccine-passport-for-traveling-abroad/