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Home » News from Thailand » Misbehavior of Thai monks must decrease through compulsory course
Thai men who want to be ordained as monks will soon have to take a compulsory course of at least 15 or 30 days instead of the current seven days. The Sangha Supreme Council has decided this as one of the measures to end the misbehavior of monks.
Thai monks, for example, are not allowed to have physical contact with women and not to indulge in alcohol, drugs or other stimulants, which proves to be a difficult task.
Seven days is too short for the order of monks to understand the principles of the Dhamma, National Office of Buddhism spokesman Oban said.
Source: Bangkok Post
And it is believed that a slightly longer course can eradicate this evil??
In my opinion, a very simple and childish way of thinking.
LOUISE
I think a lot of guys get initiated for 3 months to please their family and gain more prestige. They do not support this themselves and are therefore unable to submit to the rules.
The lust for women and alcohol will not decrease by a few extra weeks of course.
It takes great sacrifice to be a monk in this dissolute world.
It is up to the Sangha Suprime Counsel to act if the strict rules are broken and to inform the apostate that he is no longer a monk and, in fact, not a Buddhist himself. All the rest is hypocritical bullshit.
So I also think that the whole monastic thing has deteriorated more and more in recent years, to put it simply. When you see the young monks walking these days, All with the most modern smartphone. Have even seen beer drinking and smoking monks. I always thought that a monk should be the example of austerity. In other words, avert all luxury.
I really don't think this is possible. Clear action must therefore indeed be taken by older teachers.
Would it be an idea to set admission requirements and a clear motivation to become a monk temporarily
may become.
Older monks could also serve as an example.
Many older monks already have an example function. They have power, are overwhelmingly wealthy and form a state within a state.
Put the developments of European Catholicism next to it, and you see the future of Buddhism.
I assume that every religion has its excesses. Here it goes from booze… to airplanes and rolex.
It remains an institution of power, where there is power, there is abuse.
As outsider(s)/foreigner(s) we are not allowed to interfere with the Thai way of life.
In the Netherlands we also expect that from the guests, but it is indeed necessary that your aspiring monks gain more knowledge of the “norms and values” of being a monk.
For example, let them follow a course for 3 months (then the weaklings who think they are already monks will drop out after 1 week), then the wheat will be separated from the chaff. Then the highest boss of the relevant temple can view the aspiring monks, e.g. on tattoos/drinking/smoking, etc.
The students who behave “normally” can then continue as monks.
In the case of misconduct, it must be possible to immediately remove the monk concerned from his “vocation”.
But yes, that is a Thai matter.
We as outsiders can only see whether the future brings improvements!
A foreigner is then not at the helm himself, but can easily give his opinion. If a Thai has an opinion about the abuses within the church or possible ideas about how to approach this, it is fine to share it. But without a job in politics, that will mainly remain within the own circle or if it really concerns the foreigner, then, for example, a submitted opinion piece.
The piece also talks about Thai men, but I assume that the rules will also apply to Dutch people and other foreigners who want to become a monk in a Thai temple.
I live in Cambodia and let's be honest, there is a lot to criticize about this country. But as long as it doesn't bother me, it's not my problem, you can't change it anyway.
If it bothers me (too much), then I leave.
For me it's just take it or leave it, but you will rarely if ever hear a comment from me about the way things are going here, I don't think that's done, I'm a guest here.
Quote:
'I live in Cambodia and let's be honest, there is a lot to criticize about this country.'
Isn't this a comment? It sounds a bit like: 'I'm taking advantage of the country, close my eyes to reality, if I don't benefit from it anymore I'm gone'. 'So the benefits but not the burdens? Do you have a wife there and maybe kids?
Tino,
What do you base your opinion on as if I would benefit from Cambodia?
OK, you're right Bert, I'm not sure you're taking advantage of Cambodia. Maybe it's projection. I have benefited greatly from my stay in Thailand, and I imagine I have given something back as well. I never felt like a guest but just a resident. I gave and I received. And I wanted to know and participate. Praise and criticize. Of course that also had a lot to do with my wife and our Dutch/Thai son.
I find your response incomprehensible and certainly not desirable. Looking away or, in fact, tolerating everything and moving otherwise is not the right approach. We can all learn from each other but that certainly won't happen if we keep our mouths shut and play the big bully. The fact that we are guests in these kinds of countries cannot be equated with the hear, see and speak no evil principle, nothing has ever been achieved with that. Principles and fundamental values that is what people should stand for, not blowing with all the winds. But also compassion where necessary, of course. There are and remain several roads that lead to Rome.
The conditions within Thai monasticism are terrible. It all has little to do with Buddhism.
What to do? Choose from two options
cancel 1
2 remove the authority and supervision of monks and temples from 'Bangkok' and return it to the local community
The local believers know damn well what is going wrong but are powerless to intervene.
I don't think it's necessary to abolish the Sangha, but a really democratic council of wise monks doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. He could also boycott any extremist monks/temples or temples with other malpractices (bag-filling abbots or child-abusing monks) or publicly nail them to the cross. But that would weaken the power of the Thammayut so I don't see that happening yet.
3. separation of religion and state. The Buddhist believers must decide for themselves what they consider good and bad Buddhism, their own hierarchy and supervision of the spending of funds. It's definitely not a government job. Of course, if criminal offenses are committed. But if an adult monk shares a bed with an adult woman, that is not the job of the police.