Friends or family?

By Gringo
Posted in Background, Society
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February 7 2022

Friends? No, a Thai, whether male or female, has no friends. That is, not in the sense of the word friend as I prefer to use it.

It is true that there is no uniform definition of the word friend, you can explain it in several ways. You have a special relationship with what I call a friend, you see each other on a regular basis, discuss each other's problems and if you are in need you can count on each other's help. Thai Wisdom”A good friend never gets in your way unless you go down.” comes pretty close.

At every stage of your life you have so-called friends. It starts with school friends, then football friends, college friends and sports friends. They are all not really friends as described above, but more like comrades, comrades or, if necessary, fellow sufferers. In the end you have a family with a circle of acquaintances, from which a number of friends emerge. You see them more often, go to the pub together to discuss the world's problems and after a few glasses of beer the most intimate problems surface. You also use a good friend for the latter, not so much to get a solution, but more to talk the problem off you.

It turns out that of the many friends you've had by now, only a handful remain. You don't have to see each other much, but there is regular contact and you are there for each other if necessary. Fortunately, I have not experienced any real emergencies. I once planned a business trip to Asia that would start in Bangkok. However, the flight was canceled at Schiphol and I still had to travel, including for a first important appointment (Patpong, ha ha!). A friend then drove me to Frankfurt by car, where I was still on time to catch a flight Thailand. During my absence, another friend once assisted my wife for a few nights, who acted rather panicked in a depressed mood.

Now that I live in Thailand, it's all different. Enough acquaintances, but you will never become real friends with Thais or with foreign-language Farangs.

A Thai calls someone a friend if it will benefit him. Just say in company with Thais that you want a good used car and there is bound to be a Thai who recommends his "friend". My Thai wife also has a lot of friends here in Pattaya, especially among the bar girls, but as I see it, they are only friends to take advantage of them in some way.

A few examples:

  • Already 10 years ago I regularly visited the same beer bar in Pattaya, a nice place with live music and a wide range of Thai beauties. Three ladies caught my eye, always standing together and one of them caught my special attention. I got into a relationship with the latter and in the beginning we did a lot with the three of us. They were three friends, who lived together in 1 room, ate together and, in short, did everything together that you can do together. Our relationship took on more solid forms, we started living together and we saw the other two ladies sometimes, but it was already getting less. One is now married to an Australian and the other to an Englishman. It wasn't long after that before all contact went up in smoke. Girlfriends? No, fellow sufferers is an appropriate word here.
  • A few years ago my wife came home with an “old friend”. Fine, no problem, we provided shelter, went out for dinner and then a disco visit. That was a nice evening! A few weeks later I asked my wife if she had spoken to or seen that friend again. No, was the answer, but you don't have to. She has done me good in the past and I have now made up for it with that night out. Not long afterwards, that friend called herself asking if my wife could give her 1500 Baht (don't borrow, but give!). No, my wife said, I'm not about the money and I don't just have money to give away. How is that possible, said the girlfriend, you have a rich Farang, you can give me some money. My wife's answer is easy to guess and since then we have never heard from this friend again.
  • A good childhood friend of my wife would like to work in Pattaya because she needs money for her mother's necessary surgery. We take her in and my wife takes care of work as a bargirl. She earns well, but doesn't have to pay us anything. It took half a year until she meets a Swiss bank employee who falls madly in love with her. The result was that she is now married to the man and lives in Switzerland. Never heard from again.! Female friend? Oh no!

A Thai has no friends, I said earlier, but he/she does have family. That family bond can almost be called sacred, nothing beats family and no one comes between. Without a doubt, the mother is always number 1, but the rest of the family can also count on help if necessary. Taking care of your parents is a normal thing in Thailand, something we can't always imagine.

I myself am not a family man at all, here in Thailand that contact with a single family member in the Netherlands is very minimal. One of the Ten Commandments says:Honor your father and your mother”. We often do, especially when it suits us. The parents can look after the children if we want to go away for a weekend, we visit them neatly on Sunday, but when they get a little older we store them in a home for the elderly.

Here in Thailand it is different, the children are cared for and raised (mother often takes care of the child of the daughter who is working elsewhere) with the aim that those children will take care of the parents later .

No, a Thai does not have friends, but if a Thai behaves like a friend, which I described earlier, then he / she belongs to the family.

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10 Responses to “Friends or Family?”

  1. Daniel M. says up

    Hmmm ...

    Friend or family?

    Actually, the meaning is fixed, regardless of whether it is in Belgium or Thailand.

    If there is kinship, then it is family, otherwise it is friend.

    In the article I miss the concept of 'colleague'. The case of the 3 bargirls who do everything together, in my opinion, are 3 very good friends who help and support each other during and outside work.

    I do see a difference between friends in Thailand and here.

    Here friends (in the strict sense of the word) are completely independent of each other. But they do help each other in some cases. In the article I deduce that friends in Thailand depend on each other to a certain extent. If you need help, find your friends. Once the debt has been paid off, you separate…

    Now take the following situation:

    In a village in the Isaan, the inhabitants often talk to each other and help each other to harvest the rice. As a farang you have the feeling that there is a bond between the people. Maybe I'm wrong. But I have the impression that these people are often independent, but at other times they depend on each other. Are these all friends?

    • He says up

      Not friends, they depend on each other. If you don't help others with the harvest, for example, you won't be helped either and that can become bad.

  2. Tino Kuis says up

    Different Thai words for 'friends'.
    เพื่อน phêuan is the most common word. But there are a number of variations such as phêuan kin (eat chin, an occasional friend), phêuan tháe (or tháeching, tháe is real, a real friend) and phêuan taal (tough death, a bosom friend).
    Then there is มิตร mít and สหาย sàhǎai, sometimes together mítsàhǎai. That goes in the direction of 'comrades'. Also buddy, companion, good colleague. The communists called each other that. Mítáphâap is friendship.
    Further คู่หู khôe:hǒe:, literally 'pair of ears'. Translated as 'inseparable friend(s), companion, buddy', often with adolescents.
    In Isan there is a ceremony called phòe:k sìeow where a couple, male-male, female-female, male-female, swear eternal friendship to help each other through thick and thin. If they do not keep their oath, there is divine vengeance.

    I only have one soul mate, we've been friends since kindergarten. He lives in the Netherlands. I have two good Thai friends, an older woman and my teacher. I know enough Thai children, especially sons but also daughters, who care little about their parents.

    • Rob V says up

      Indeed Tino, it would be special if the Thais had a spectrum of words for something they wouldn't have. Special country. 55 My impression remains that Thailand (or any country for that matter) is not that much different under the hood than any other country. For example, socio-economic differences mean that things are slightly different, but they do not make the population different or special.

      For example, the Netherlands is more prosperous than Thailand, with that wealth many elderly people have an old-age benefit that is sufficient to not have to knock on the children's door. Thailand still has this to a limited extent (but this kind of business will continue to grow there). In the Netherlands, we hide some of the elderly (80% of the elderly live independently at home, 14% receive help at home, 6% live in a home). In Thailand, too, you see care appearing at homes to take care of old people. It is quite normal that you do something for your elderly parents in the Netherlands, in Thailand it is still necessary to donate money or to take your parents in because the social safety net is still minimal (maybe not surprising if you know that Thailand is the most unequal country in the world, a matter of necessity and survival). You don't just break family ties, not in Thailand, not in the Netherlands. It is only normal and human to assist your parents, your children and to have social contact with them.

      When I look at friends, I see even less difference. I can only see my contacts there to a limited extent, but some of them would like to see me. They invite me to come and eat or go out for dinner. And they insist on paying, even though they are middle class Thai. They then say 'you are coming to visit me so..' or 'you already have enough expenses so don't worry', 'don't worry (Rob) about not being able to show kreeng tjai (เกรงใจ), we see friends'. There is nothing behind that, they are just various Thai men and women who like to see me. Some Thai are good friends, others more good acquaintances. What exactly the friendship means differs per contact, one Thai friend likes to talk about current affairs, the other tells about what she encounters at work or at home and with a third it is about anything and everything without any depth, just to name a few. what to call. So I don't really see the difference for myself with the Netherlands.

      In both the Netherlands and Thailand, some ties become stronger, others oversleep, some people disappear from view, some reappear after a long time... As long as it is cozy or sanoek and no one feels or is being used.

      My advice would be: don't see the inhabitants of here or there as different. Connect, have fun, trust your gut. Then it should be possible to make good friends, less good friends, acquaintances, etc., both here and there. What does help: no or little language barrier. Otherwise you will soon be out of talk.

      Source: https://www.actiz.nl/feiten-en-cijfers-overzicht

    • Tino Kuis says up

      ์Let's talk about that ceremony in Isaan to swear eternal friendship. In Thai it is พิธีผูกเสี่ยว phithie phoe:k sieow (tones high middle, low, low). Phithie means ceremony, phoeg means to bind and sieow means friendship in Isan. (Not sieow with a rising tone! That means "nice" in the bedroom! I often misjudge, in jest)

      A few videos:

      That can be very elegant:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqMsAfbQn3E

      or very simple and cozy in Isanian:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX5jOL0tdP0&t=248s

  3. Antoine says up

    I can agree with your reflections Rob.
    My mother comes from a family with 11 children, my father from a family with 10 children. They are all married and all have 2 or more children. So a lot of family and also a lot of chance of family problems. That also happened with small things but also with big ones, about money and faith. As a result, my parents withdrew and only maintained contact with two sisters. My father once remarked on this subject; Family are friends you didn't pick yourself.
    I have been in Thailand for over 6 years now with my Thai wife and experience that my father's comment also applies to the Thai family. We have many acquaintances besides the family ties here and I am happy about that. It can be.

  4. luc.cc says up

    you have to have family, mother-in-law 93 years old stays with us in hospital bed, she has 7 children, only 1 brother and my wife (who takes care of her every day, gives her medicine) that's all her eldest brother lives in Chumphon, this supports financially, and when he has two or three days off he comes to visit mother, the other 5 children nothing, zero no visit, no financial support

    • Paul says up

      Oh, that can also happen in the Netherlands. My mother is in need of help. I have taken on that responsibility for care. My sister never has time. Because she's a flight attendant you know. Yes, even during this pandemic where she really should fly less, she doesn't have time…. You must have it from your family.

    • Do says up

      Yes I know that. My girlfriend (already 13 years old) comes from a nest of 6 children, 4 boys and 2 girls.
      The ones who always take care of everything also financially is my friend and her sister.
      The boys “men” are still too miserable to help refurbish their parents' house.
      The materials supplied by us only had to be carried out by one company, while the one
      job that required no skill.
      My girlfriend was so pissed off that she hasn't had any contact with her for over 2 years now
      brothers. She is a special Thai I should mention, one with a character.

  5. Marc Dale says up

    What Gringo writes here is only partly true. The experiences he describes are indeed very real and relatable. I saw there experienced similar situations a few times. But from the story it is immediately apparent in which part of the Pattaya community it takes place. It goes without saying that in a bar environment such “friendships” are more commonplace and much more apparent than in the rest of the Thai community. Collegial camaraderie I would call it. So friendship, whether in Thailand or anywhere else in the world, consists of many different forms and degrees. Often also applies “out of mind, out of mind”, or out of sight. The reverse also: years of friendly contacts without meeting each other. Today's means of communication can make a significant contribution to this, but it also has to WILL.


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