We continue with more examples of Isan women. The sixth example is the eldest daughter of my eldest brother-in-law. She is 53 years old, married, has two lovely daughters and lives in the city of Ubon.

Those daughters went to the best schools in Ubon and they also received extra lessons. This has resulted, among other things, in the fact that they speak excellent English and are also able to put a spoken text - if not too difficult - on paper without errors. Both daughters are studying medicine in Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai. I asked the youngest why she chose that study, because such a study usually does not yield much financially. She said her grandmother's death was the deciding factor. An idealistic slant. Fortunately, there are more doctors in Thailand. How did my cousin manage to pay for all that?

The answer is clear: with very hard work. She is currently head of administration for a fairly large company. But she also has her own administration office. She also undertakes some other activities, such as selling sandwiches and packaged sandwiches under her own name to students and she also has a food stall at the Makro. Her husband is less successful in business, but fortunately helps her with her affairs. Of course, all that work takes its toll because when she visits here – once or twice a year – she promptly falls asleep after dinner. Chronic sleep deprivation. But all to give her daughters a good start in life.

A completely different story is my seventh example. It concerns a farmer's wife in her early 40s, married and with a married daughter. In addition to her rice fields, she also has a vegetable business with which she visits the local markets on her loaded moped. The special thing about this woman is that she openly contacts various other (often married) men and therefore sometimes comes home late. When her husband says something about that, she replies that it is her business (I have heard that, of course, so it belongs in the category of gossip). The strange thing to me is that the men she hooks up with often have more attractive women. Because she's not that attractive at all. Is it seen as normal by the village community? No, of course, but for now she'll get away with it. In that context I can give another example. Namely from two couples who had been meeting weekly for 20 years. When it came out that one of the men had an extramarital relationship, the friendship was over. It was not accepted.

There are of course other relationships, as in my eighth example. It concerns two nice ladies in their early 30s who may be in a lesbian relationship (I only recognize such a thing when it is obvious). At least everything points to it: they studied at the same university and now both work at the Ubon Ratchathani Rice Research Center and rent a house together on the grounds of the research center. They also have a car together and have bought a piece of land together on which they want to build a house. Wherever you meet them, they are always together. They also come to us sometimes and of course together. But maybe they are not lesbian, they just haven't been able to find a suitable male partner. Because in Thailand there is still a lot of marriage within the same social class. This sometimes results in marriages that are not based on love and where the man in particular still looks for a second relationship that is based on love. Female academics therefore have a hard time finding a suitable partner, because I actually assume that there are more female academics than male (confirmed by http://www.pkfthailand.asia/news/news/the-gender-gap- in-thailand-still-much-work-to-be-done/: Thailand's higher education institutions have more female than male students, which is an impressive achievement in itself for a society.). Getting married late or not at all is becoming more and more common, also according to the Bangkok Post.

My ninth example concerns my very nice hairdresser who is in her late 50s. A few times a year the village community organizes a hairdressing day where everyone - but especially people who cannot financially afford a haircut - can get a free haircut. Of course she participates in that too. She herself has an above-average income as a qualified hairdresser, although she works about 20 km outside the city and her husband is also head of the financial department of the Ubon Ratchathani Rice Research Center. They have been able to give their son and daughter – both in their early 30s – a good education at excellent universities, which has resulted in two well-paid jobs. The son has been in a relationship for years with a woman who also has a good job at city hall, there seems to be no real love (although that is of course difficult to assess for an outsider) and the son keeps postponing a possible marriage. The daughter – not a beauty but a smooth girl and therefore an attractive partner in my eyes – is not yet in a relationship and possibly out of guilt she gives part of her salary to her parents. As a result, these parents have already been able to purchase various pieces of land as retirement provision.

The daughter worked in Bangkok for a number of years in a government position and was also allowed to go on business trips abroad several times. I once asked her whether, as an Isan, she felt discriminated against in Bangkok, she was extremely surprised by the question. According to her, everyone in Bangkok is judged by his or her worth and origin does not play an important role (only in Thai soaps apparently). By the way, two years ago she accepted a higher position somewhere in Isaan, but 200-300 km from her parental home. So she only comes to visit her parents during the holidays. Is she possibly a lesbian? No, at least I would be very surprised.

Example 10: An attractive 22-year-old farmer's daughter who became pregnant with a girl more than 4 years ago and therefore had to get married. The discussions between the girl's and the boy's parents did not go well, so only a minimal wedding party was held. And because of those difficult discussions, the daughter did not move in with her parents, with her parents-in-law. So she went ahead and married the man she loved, more or less against the wishes of her parents. The daughter is now 4 years old and fortunately the marriage has lasted. The man has a steady job and the young mother has now set up a food stall along a main road. She will probably be able to find a permanent job in Ubon, which will not yield much more than the minimum wage, plus travel costs. Now she probably earns less than the minimum wage, so if her daughter comes home from school at 4 o'clock she can at least take care of her. However, competition is fierce and therefore turnover is low and margins are small. That's just how it goes. For example, she only charges 10 baht for an ice coffee. She also sometimes has some help from her mother-in-law and from her husband at the weekend. She'll be fine.

My eleventh example is a nice woman in her late 40s. She is a director of the Bangkok Bank and speaks good English. Married, of course, to someone who also has a good job. No children, however, because she says she is far too busy for that. In addition, every few years she has to move to another branch and sometimes that means traveling for hours. That is also a trend: having few or no children. And then I also base myself on what I have read in the Bangkok Post.

My twelfth example is head of the local immigration police. She is a truly beautiful woman of less than thirty and she has earned her two stars on each epaulet because she is a smart woman who also speaks excellent English (which is of course useful for the immigration police). Who should she marry now? That's going to be a subordinate. Both she and he were born in the city and that is no surprise, because education in the countryside is often much worse than that in the city. Unfortunately, speaking good English is not possible for many rural people.

Example thirteen is a woman in her early 60s, a farmer who lives near us. Probably my wife's best friend. She is married and has a son who lives and works in Bangkok and an unmarried daughter who is a teacher and also lives far from the parental home - 100 to 200 km. From her son, she does have a thirteen-year-old grandson who is cared for by her. She supplements her meager income as a farmer by working as an on-call worker at the local hospital. She gets 300 baht for that. Not per day but per month. Of course, her husband also earns some extra money. She is a decisive woman – she even saved my wife's life once – and very full of life. She also has two very elderly parents who live with another daughter. Her mother - already well into her eighties - always looks at you with piercing eyes and at village festivals she is even willing to dance with you - for a fee. No, very different from those two old ladies – really skin and bones – who I once saw sitting in the house of a football friend, while we – the football players – had a barbecue in the courtyard after a football tournament. Although I thought those females were more dead than alive, one came out with a chair: a chair for the farang. The farang is often still held in high regard by that generation. This is already a lot less with the current generation.

The last two examples do not concern women from Isan, but from Bangkok. I took them anyway because they are special women and because they have virtually no contact with farangs. However, the latter no longer applies to my last example because she is now a flight attendant at Thai Airways. Still in first class.

In example fourteen, the woman is in her late 50s. She owns a jewelery production company and buys silver, gold and precious and semi-precious stones herself. A few years ago she also started the production of packaged toilet soap. She developed everything herself and also designed the beautiful boxes herself. One of those soaps contains coffee extract and the soap piece itself is in the shape of a coffee bean. She exports that soap to Laos and soon to Vietnam and China.

She works hard. Does the designs herself and she is also not afraid of simple handicrafts. She sometimes works late into the night. She had to undergo heart surgery a year ago (because of that?). Of course she also has a man in a good position: he is head of the administration of a Swiss company based in Bangkok.

She occasionally comes to Ubon because she has a shop there. When her only son moved, she borrowed two of my wife's employees for a day to leave the house clean. In gratitude, she gave those two Isan women 500 baht each and a necklace worth 2000 baht. A very generous reward (although she is not really rich herself). But her behavior also shows that she has respect for Isan women. I don't really believe those stories that people from Bangkok look down on Isaaners. At most on Isaaners who give reason to do so.

Example 15 is a picture of a woman who is now 37 years old. However, I have known her for 20 years. That was because my son was already corresponding with her via the internet. The conclusion can be drawn from this that she came from a reasonably well-off (but not really rich) family that already used computers at that time. She completed her education at one of the best universities and therefore speaks perfect English. She visited us several times in the Netherlands - after a flight with Thai Airways to Brussels - and when I emigrated also with my son and daughter. And we always have to stay with her – actually with her parents because she does not have her own home and is not yet married – when we are in Bangkok. When she was with us in the Netherlands, she would just help with the housework and occasionally prepare the food. And she also did the shopping herself. But when we are with her we are not allowed to pay anything and when I once left money in the car when she took me to the airport she later sent me two bottles of whisky. Truly a treasure of a woman.

The alert reader will have noticed that I have not mentioned prostitution and related matters. Now of course I will not deny that prostitution occurs in Ubon, but I don't know anyone here who works in it. I also don't know anyone who has moved to Pattaya, for example. Now they won't immediately hang on to my nose, there is another indication that it won't be too bad. There is a direct connection with minibuses between my village and Bangkok. This is intended for men who work in Bangkok. There is no such connection between my village and Pattaya. So in any case it is not a large-scale phenomenon here.

I can give an example that comes close. It concerns a woman in her thirties who has already had several relationships with farangs, including elderly farangs. And she clearly did it for the money (is there much against that, by the way?). However, she was not really from the vicinity of the city of Ubon, but from a village about 60-70 km outside it. So probably a village with few opportunities to build a reasonable life.

Come on, a second example: it concerns an extremely nice woman in her forties who went to Phuket during the winter months for a few years to take care of an old farang. That was at a time when her husband was in prison (allegedly framed) and there were children to be cared for. Her husband is back and the money earned in Phuket has been well invested. They are now doing well financially.

Then one more incident that I would not like to withhold from the readers. My wife and I once went to the city of Ubon for something to eat with our three holiday workers – three students in their twenties and all three of whom were above average beautiful. Afterwards we would stop by the ice cream parlor Swensen's. However, my wife went to the toilet for a while, so I walked to the ice cream parlor with those three girls. Suddenly I saw a farang looking at me strangely. I didn't really know why, but then I realized that it is indeed not an everyday thing for an elderly person to go out with three girls, and then to eat an ice cream. The Thais apparently did not find it strange and in any case did not reveal anything.

In case there are readers who think I have a thing for all those women, one more anecdote:

The anecdote takes place in the city of Ubon, but about 50 years ago. So it was at a time when in Thailand the man of the house still had many privileges, such as being the first to eat. But that does not mean that the woman - even then - accepted everything from her husband. My wife's mother was Isan, but her husband was born in Bangkok. But that did not stop her from going and looking for her husband armed with a stick when her husband came home later than expected. When her husband heard about this, he rushed home.

And I married her daughter…..

15 responses to “Isan women, the raw reality (final)”

  1. l.low size says up

    Impressive stories!

    Women with great perseverance, intelligence and a sense of responsibility who make their way
    found in Isaan and elsewhere.
    Reminds me of Tai Orathai at the time or now Takkatan Chonlada, Suranaree Ratchasima (married to a Dutchman) who show great perseverance!

    But how many women will that be in that great Isaan?

    Fantastic photos!

  2. Rob V says up

    Thank you for your pieces Hans! Who knows another sequel: the men?
    Women are interesting but we cannot forget the men. That remains a thing, too often stories go around that the men are (much) older than the women, drinking, lazy, unemployed or other troubles... Something that does not correspond with the women and men I know. The people are just as diverse as here in the Netherlands.

    • Hans Pronk says up

      Okay Rob, one example: it concerns a man in his early thirties, extremely friendly and obliging and not lazy; once he even worked until three in the morning to finish a job. Almost the ideal son-in-law. Yet he has two children by two women and he never visits them. How can that be explained? In both cases he was evicted from the house by the parents of the mothers because he brought in too little money (he was a trader in second-hand clothing at the time). There may have been more, but of course he didn't say that.
      The fact that Thai women give the explanation for their preference for a farang that "Thai men are no good" should therefore possibly be interpreted as "not wealthy enough". Incidentally, I have never heard a Thai woman say that in the past 40 years.

      • support says up

        Hans,

        My girlfriend says so. But she was also regularly beaten up by her husband, who has now become addicted to alcohol, if something did not suit him (dinner too late, no booze in the house, etc.).
        She had to work AND raise 2 children….. while mister was permanently in lorem. When she wanted to divorce him (marriage was more or less arranged by parents at the time) mister only wanted to cooperate if she paid him (!!!) TBH 20.000…..
        She did that quickly and that money was converted into a sweetheart for him and mainly drink for him. That soon became his death.

        I also see many Thais with “different” views on the role their wife/girlfriend should play, if you know what I mean. You also often see that when a “child is born” the father suddenly disappears.
        So, a farang that usually doesn't hit the slightest bit and also provides money (in a hopefully sensible way), is then openly an attractive alternative.

    • chris says up

      Of course, Thai men and women are just as diverse as the men and women in the Netherlands. Yet the statistics 'prove' that certain behavior occurs much more or much less often.
      One is alcohol consumption. The average number of liters of beer that people drink annually is much higher among the Dutch and Belgians than among the Thais. Perhaps because the Thai women in my experience drink much less or no beer. However, the number of liters of liquor that the Thais drink on average is much, much higher than that of the Dutch and Belgians.
      And yes, of course there are Thais from the blue knot and of course there are Dutch and Belgians who are alcoholics. But the numbers/percentages differ considerably between Thais and Dutch/Belgians. In my own Thai neighborhood I am really the only man (single or married) who does not drink beer or something else alcoholic every day. And I have the most to spend.

      • Rob V says up

        My feeling tells me that the type of drink and drinking is primarily an income thing: what can you afford? With 200 baht per day, only cheap, strong stuff is within reach. And then group-specific, a subculture (for example young people from the same environment). And not really with a national drinking culture. Yes, of course, when I think of Japan I think of Saké, when I think of France I think of wine and when I think of DB-NL I think of beer, but I don't immediately link drinking (alcohol problems) to that. /end my-feeling tells me message.

        • chris says up

          Dear Rob,
          That feeling is wrong. Alcohol problems are more common among less well-off groups. And an increase in the price of alcoholic beverages (more excise duties intended to encourage people to moderate) generally does not work. The drinkers move to cheaper alternatives or illegally distilled liquor.

  3. Sir Charles says up

    Nice to read your stories and it shows once again that the social goings-on in Isan is generally the same or not much different than other areas in Thailand.

  4. with farang says up

    Haha, keep reading until you reach the last sentence…
    that quote is so funny, Hans!
    Nice end to a beautiful three days…
    Fine bits.

  5. peter says up

    555 last one was nice, is the daughter now also waiting for you with a stick?
    According to my Thai girlfriend (recently 51), as a Thai you will have to get married early. About 25 years tops and then still have to meet many Western standards, such as being white, having a Western nose and eyes and if possible being rich.
    The Thai man is not so trusted, which has to do with the past. If the young Thai woman is not lucky (over 25), then she usually rests in a career and does not want a man anymore. Until a certain age makes it common again. Thai men do not like brown skin, after all, it means that you work outside in the sun, so low status.
    Although my girlfriend does work outside and holds an important government position. As a result, she sometimes turns brown and immediately receives comments from her college. To which I tell her to tell her that she has a (white) farang and loves the brown skin. Nevertheless, she is sensitive to it.
    I once told them that people here spend days sunbathing to get tanned, while the Thai woman would do anything to remain white.
    She's jealous of my white skin and I'm jealous of her brown skin, after all I'm a real pale fart and usually only turn red.
    Sometimes difficult with affection, not possible in Thailand, but I can sometimes walk hand in hand in certain areas. 555 , usually far from family and or college.
    Now that she lives closer to her mother, after all government officers really go all over the country despite the fact that they may be married, they expect her, also from her position, to take care of her mother.
    Her brother and sister-in-law live right next to moe. And more sisters live nearby. However, most of them do not have a driver's license and cannot go to the hospital with tiredness. Recently, this resulted in situations, so that she had to take time off to go back to tired and go to hospital the next day.
    That was only for a dressing change and check, where it is said here in the Netherlands “see you in 2 weeks, only come back earlier if it starts to hurt”

    I also don't think the beautiful head of the local immigration police will marry a Thai man just like that. He will also have to have a considerable Thai status, that's how it is in Thailand. Status and appearance are important, and then I am a white fish, which in turn increases status? I don't know, my girlfriend is happy with me and like a real Thai sometimes ting tong, but aren't all women like that? Just getting used to the gradation of ting tong, sometimes something comes out that makes me think, wtf?
    But ok originally she does not come from the Isaan, but from the southernmost provinces of Thailand.

  6. raymond says up

    Nice story series. Too bad it's already closed.
    Hope to read news from you soon.

  7. Jan Pontsteen says up

    Very nice and good that you have put the reality of these women in the light. By the way, the women in Thailand were emancipated from travel stories from 2 centuries ago, where the then West had yet to start, they already had freedoms and self-determination.
    Thank you very much for these 3 episodes I live in Thailand and have read it with pleasure and far reaching.

  8. john says up

    You've already seen a lot.
    Your wife probably has some anecdotes of things you haven't seen.

  9. Piet says up

    Nicely written, have you read triptych about women
    must honestly say a bit of a bird's eye view recently.

    Been coming to the isaan for years myself, but don't immerse myself in other people's lives.
    so I assume that your experiences, which describe it, give a good picture.

    Personally, I don't care how people get money
    as long as it is earned fairly, whether they work in a bar or at the bank

    To me, everyone is equal no matter what they do or what they look like.
    They don't say beauty comes from within for nothing.
    A small comment anyway, education at a university there is, in my opinion, at the level of HBO in the Netherlands. I think that few Thais would be able to transfer to a university in the Netherlands or Belgium.
    But as long as you find work in Thailand, this little remark doesn't matter much
    Also great insights about people who want to achieve something with hard work.
    Gr Pete

  10. Mark says up

    These readers think that you have a lot with all those women 🙂 but nothing that justifies a negative value judgment, on the contrary.
    Honi soit qui mal y pense. (shame on those who think evil of it)


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