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Home » Reader question » When will they understand in the Isaan that the face masks can be taken off?
Dear readers,
I have a question about the face masks. I live in a village about 12 km outside of Khorat. Here everyone still wears a face mask, sometimes there is someone who dares to walk into the neighborhood supermarket without a face mask, but the looks of the staff and others present say enough.
Also in the center at the mall and Terminal 21 the same sheet a suit, although I do see farang without a face mask, but you just notice that it is not appreciated. Friends in Bangkok and Pattaya tell me that it is the other way around there, only a few who wear a face mask.
Does anyone have any idea when we will finally be freed from those terrible things in Isaan? I'm done with it now! Or am I going to walk around with one of those things on my giggle for the rest of my life, I can hope not?
Regards,
GeertP
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GeertP, the Isaan is as big as three times NL. That's pretty big.
Once fear is alive, there is not much you can do about it, not even the national government. People may be scared and hold up that piece of cloth. What's your problem with that? None, I think. So adjust and put on that rag. You live there too and they are your neighbours! Respect that and join them.
And finally when that lap comes off, you're in. Freedom happiness. But then you have shown that you sympathize with them. YOU are the guest there; not them.
I agree with the fact that many people live in fear and of course the government could have done something about it, but they only fueled the fear.
Many people in Isaan have not had enough education to understand what is going on, no knowledge of virology let alone immunology and the world outside Thailand is far from my bedside show. So the fear that there is a "killer virus" floating around contributed so much to the belief that the face mask works. In my opinion, the schools and their teachers could have informed themselves better by doing more research themselves.
For Geert I have the video on YT by Ivor Cummings: episode 141 The ultimate PPE expert with incredible insights in the mask science.
By the way, the mask is NOT mandatory in the shopping malls of Huahin, even in the Bangkok Hospital where I unfortunately have to spend a little more time. I did not wear a mask until the operating room and not a single doctor or nurse made any comments.
Another pedantic piece: you are not the guest but you are the inhabitant, the neighbour, the customer and more. I tell the people that the government and the other agencies tell that it is not really necessary anymore. And see more and more Thais without masks here in Korat, Khon Kaen and other provinces. Gradually the change takes place.
More and more Thais themselves realize even after having experienced an infection that it is indeed not much, a friend was always frantically spraying and scrubbing and only in the car with a cap on, after her infection (with mild symptoms) she is freed from this obsession because he himself admits that it was not dangerous. And so it goes with many and people leave the cap for what it is.
I myself always put on a hat against Covid and that helps, I haven't had Covid yet.
I was at Khon Kaen airport to check in for my flight to Bangkok, and I had some time and hadn't eaten yet, so I went to the coffee corner to get a cup of coffee and a hot dog sandwich.
I sat back down in the waiting area, took off my face mask, took a bite and a sip of coffee,
then an agent came to check whether everyone had a cap on, and of course I didn't, he pointed this out to me, to do that, I asked him nicely how I should eat my coffee and sandwich, he came up with the movement to do this again, I thought walk away and continue eating, but the gentleman came to see if I had put it on in the meantime, a real stripes Boy, while that has long been released,
I don't think it's ever been updated
greetings Bart
The only correct answer to the question! You are the guest, and then behave yourself. Don't forget, in China there is still corona in many places, so also lockdowns. That's why almost no Chinese come. Also at the moment in NL still 1% of the population tested positive.. 17 million = 170.000 people... and slightly increased again this week. By the way in Pattaya the same picture, almost everyone wears a face mask, foreigners and Thai people…. All sensible people.
I don't know where your friends live exactly, but in Bangkok you don't enter a super or shop without a mask or are reminded of it. In the pub neighborhoods it is different
Pattaya is the wild west…..
With this information, check out what the hot spots were during the pandemic, right, bar areas Bangkok and Pattaya…. and the current but smaller hearths…. same sheet a suit
The advice is also clear, a mask is still advised in rooms with several people
Despite the reliefs, there are still 5,000 covid cases per day.
Covid is a common flu/cold. No more and no less. Why must there always be those who want to blow it up into a deadly pandemic.
In Bangkok I go every convenience store, every market, every Central, every Mall, public transport on the street without a mask and see enough others without a mask. Well, I can mention all 50 districts in Bangkok, but if you are talking about the tourist areas, you will see many without walking.
Compare it to the schools where the entire school closed again with 1 infection in thousands of students. Now I regularly hear about infections in classes and those who stay at home, the rest of the class goes to school and there is nothing else going on and certainly no panic at all.
Dear Gertp,
When I read a previous post there is a great fortune teller in Bangkok.
He will be able to give the correct answer for a small donation.
But seriously
We also live in a town / village in Isaan and everyone here also wears a face mask.
What strikes me is the ease and comfort that the wearers exude. They seem to enjoy wearing a face mask.
In addition, the government has said that wearing it is also good against all kinds of infectious diseases and against air pollution. Wearing it almost seems like an expression of status.
My conclusion is that many will continue to wear face masks for a very long time and that without a face mask you will be seen as an antisocial person who does not care about your own health and that of others.
In the big cities where there are tourists who do not wear a face mask, Thais will want to adopt the image of the rich Farang. Striking gold around the neck and no face mask.
Think it will seep through to a greater or lesser extent GeertP
Live in Korat yourself and as you indicate retail, it is normal that you wear mouth / nose protection.
I don't have much of a problem wearing it while shopping, but in my area no one wears protection.
Not much more than moped riding and retail visits.[Coffee excluded.
As far as air pollution during your moped ride is concerned, it is and remains advisable,
It is certainly not over yet and the Thai usually do not receive sick pay, so they take less risk.
Not working is often if not always not a penny, you remember.
It's not mandatory anymore as far as I know.
Matter of go with the flow.
My expectation is that if they get through this winter without any problems, the signal will go completely green, also in Thailand.
Dear,
you speak of Isan. Also here, where I live, Chumphon Prov, just about everyone wears a face mask in public. It doesn't bother me at all and I don't see why it should bother me.
In the early period of the Corona era, there were many discussions among the farangs about the meaning or nonsense of Corana. ZeIf have never spoken out about this as 'believer or non-believer' Everyone has their own opinion but I didn't want to participate in such conversations and, if they brought it up, I was GONE. Have seen enough friendships fail over such nonsensical discussions that then degenerated into quarrels.
I also live rural here. Have very good social contacts with the locals. When I go to places in public where people wear face masks, well then I wear one too. That's no problem for me. I don't want to be denounced like OU FARANG or shunned like the plague in a country that isn't mine. My motto is still: keep it in the KISSMODE, it's the simplest. (KISSMODE: Keep It Simple and STUPID'.
Well said Lung Addie. Here in Chiangmai we wear a face mask in 9 out of 10 times when we are together with others. In the 10th case, distance is kept. everything is automatic, almost intuitive, has crept in completely. Don't bother with it at all. Another advantage: you smell less exhaust fumes and (some) food smells when you walk past food stalls at markets. Like then with Loikratong. All of Chiangmai seemed like one big open-air kitchen. Indeed Kiss. I think the last s is for the submitter himself.
Also live in Chiang Mai, Doi Saket, and since the obligation has expired we no longer wear masks. We are certainly not looked at ugly and greeted just as friendly as usual.
Let people see your smile and greet you kindly and there will be no one to look at you angrily.
What will these mask wearers do if a really dangerous virus comes along, such as Ebola? Walk in space suits?
Protection is very good of course, but let's not exaggerate now.
I am glad, Addie, that there are others who think differently among us. I wear my mask as soon as I come among people and I feel good about it.
Not only in Isaan. In Hua Hin, the locals also wear a mask outside. In the shopping malls it is still mandatory and the only ones who think they have to decide everything themselves are the tourists and walk without it.
Don't know where those friends live in BKK, but everyone still wears the face mask with us. I don't mind it either, it's become a habit now.
The government wants the mask to be worn in malls, markets and other busy places. Doesn't seem difficult to me. Recently I was sent back by the 7/11 (Chiang Mai). Stupid, forget. Back to pick up the hood. Anyone who takes into account his fellow man wears the face mask. But of course not in Pattaya, I experienced a month ago; there reigns the farang, who knows everything better.
Correctly worded JJ ... the Farang who knows everything better!
Just the fact that people come here (once again) to ask the question when the face mask can be taken off speaks volumes.
I don't judge for others, but I have no problem wearing my face mask neatly. Although, last week at the hairdresser there was a dirty Thai man in front of me, completely unkempt and not wearing a face mask. I was very excited to leave again.
But in general, the majority of the Thai population wears their mask and I agree with that.
I wonder to what extent GeertP will follow our advice. He himself says that people look at someone angrily if they don't wear a cap. Well Geert, then you give the answer to your question yourself, don't you?
Well sorry, I want to respond even though I live in Pattaya, do you think that only the farang does not wear a face mask, then you are wrong, many Thai people no longer wear them. Not even in Chiang Mai, where I just got back from 7 days ago. I have no problem with wearing one or not. Everyone should know for themselves
Well indeed, here in Pattaya hardly anyone wears that stupid face mask anymore
You cannot compare Pattaya with the rest of Thailand.
Fortunately, the large majority still thinks that a face mask is useful and is not stupid. But everyone has an opinion.
Those who delve into the matter can simply read that wearing face masks outside is useless. It doesn't help against anything and certainly not against air pollution. You need at least FFP2 or FFP3 masks for this.
Inside, such a rag helps a little bit, it mainly stops spit. Therein lies the problem. As soon as a face mask is wet, it no longer works for anything and it is mainly a bacteria nest. You therefore have to replace a cap every half hour and nobody does that.
Another problem is that you inhale tiny fibers that come from the cap, which end up in your body and are unhealthy.
If you ask the opinion of 3 different people, you will always get a different answer.
I don't feel like delving into that matter Peter. I hope everyone has the freedom to decide for themselves whether or not to wear a mouth mask.
I really know what I want for myself and I don't need someone else's advice. Even scientists disagree among themselves, how would an ordinary mortal know what is good or bad.
I already wear my rag when I come among people. I don't care what anyone else does. There is already enough meddling in the world.
Exactly, if you feel safe with a cap, just do it. I can still recommend an amulet. According to Thai, it protects against accidents, diseases, collisions and you could not even be hit by bullets. If it doesn't help, it won't hurt. I myself always put on a hat against covid and that helps, haven't had a covid yet.
I am happy for you Peter that you are spared from covid.
During the full pandemic I lost my sister (61 years old - perfectly healthy). My son has also had it and has been seriously ill. He still suffers, by the way.
Covid is NOT a subtle flu in my humble opinion. I still feel safer with my face mask on than without. I am 69 years old so my age is not in my favour.
Now that the virus is here, you will have to ask yourself how long you want to walk around with a face mask. If you are that afraid, you are doomed to wear a face mask for the rest of your life. And then it still doesn't help because as I indicated in an earlier response, a friend did everything not to get infected and still got the virus, and there are many like that. But on the other hand, the vast majority have little or no problems with it and you could also consider that.
I completely agree with you and for Geert and possibly other commenters: there is an excellent video on YT by Ivor Cummings episode 141 the Ultimate PPE e4xpert with incredible insight into mask science.
In Chiang Mai they wear a lot of the FFP2 mask. Of course I don't do it on the bike or in the car, but I do in shops and hospitals. And also on the street, but then more for social reasons. Due to the strict and long-term policy in Thailand, we have far fewer deaths here than in the Netherlands (per 100.000 inhabitants, of course.) Unfortunately, the figures in both countries have not been published for a while, but a while ago the ratio was 1 ;4. But yes, we don't have to party all night here like in NL, where everyone seems to have PTSD.
Thais are not asked to delve into the matter. The national virologists continue to insist that wearing a mask is necessary. Not required by law but strongly recommended. And then something very strange happens. Why are other matters required by law and or very urgent recommendations that are directly related to safety ignored en masse? Drinking and driving, not wearing a helmet, driving through the red traffic light etc etc.
I think the most beautiful irony is that a Thai family (with small children) is tearing through the streets on a motorbike at 100 km per hour. No one wearing a helmet, but a face mask.
But as I have said before, only 20% of the population is able to think independently, the rest (80%) imitate others or do what is socially desirable in order not to look out of place.
Exactly that! I was visiting my mother-in-law in Kalasin last month. At her house it is always the sweet raid at the end of the day, no one wore a face mask. Not even during some Buddhist ceremony with a male or 50 indoors. But as soon as they jump on the scooter to go home
go, it goes on again… In short, no idea what they are doing.
Thai virologists? Are they the same ones who have a ghost house in the garden? Or go to a fortune teller for their information?
I think the face mask mafia is also involved in Thailand. If you look at the wholesalers, which I have been to, and there are huge quantities and varieties of masks available, and that we live in Thailand and certain officials after a push in the right direction are quite willing to continue the use of masks promote. Just look at the Netherlands, where tens of millions of euros were earned, but not much more. If you look at the population of Thailand, you know that there is a lot of money involved in this business and certain people do not like to see the trade being curtailed. Well, I am not into conspiracy theory, but more down to earth and know about the Lienden group in the Netherlands which collected tens of millions of euros, in addition to many other companies and people who earned from this trade. Will also play in Thailand and they would like to see that something remains useless because money is number 1.
Oh Ger-Korat, those suspicions and thinking that it is so.
If you're not into conspiracy theories why are you saying the mafia are running things their way, that must be your sobriety.
I think that in Thailand a large number still wear the masks to fill the mafia.
Or do you think that the average Thai themselves don't know what they want? You could argue that they are careful, after the onset of the corvid that it is a farang disease, when it (only dirty farang) got sick of it.
It is also clear that people think about it more easily.
I completely agree with you and for Geert and possibly other commenters there is an excellent video of Ivor Cummings episode 141 the ultimate PPE expert with incredible insights into mask science.
It has been debated for a long time, but researchers from Germany, aided by scientists from China and the United States, say they can now really demonstrate that face masks work in the fight against the corona virus. In many situations, a simple face mask is enough, say the scientists. They speak of 'a breakthrough'.
Chris van Mersbergen 21-05-21, 18:38 Last update: 21-05-21, 22:04
Researchers from the Max Planck Institute in Mainz and the Charité University Hospital in Berlin, among others, used scientific data for their research that show that regions where a larger proportion of the population wears face masks seem to keep the corona virus under better control. The Germans, Chinese and Americans also used a new model calculation that they believe convincingly demonstrates that the effectiveness of a face mask depends on the amount of virus in the air, they write in the influential scientific journal Science.
MAX PLANCK Institute is one of the leading INDEPENDENT research institutes in the world. So not some professor sitting in his attic room writing a piece.
Information where you have none, sorry. There is a big difference between wearing a face mask outside or inside. You must also strictly follow all hygiene measures. Then it makes a difference what kind of face mask has been tested. Non-medical mouth masks, surgical mouth masks (type I, II and IIR), FFP1, FFP2 and FFP3. Therein alone there is a huge difference in degree of protection.
In addition, you have to replace some types of mask after 30 minutes, others after 3 hours. You are also not allowed to touch the face mask, otherwise it will lose its protection value.
Face masks only protect when used correctly. So every time you take that thing off, a new one has to be used. You are not allowed to touch them except at the elastics. Before setting up, you must also disinfect your hands. In Thailand you see people wearing those things for a day, putting them in their pockets while eating and putting them back on after eating, haha. This is how you infect yourself.
Source: https://lci.rivm.nl/covid-19/PBMbuitenziekenhuis
For support, this does indeed cover all types of masks.
An upper bound on one-to-one exposure to infectious human respiratory particles
We are going to Thailand again in January for a nice number of weeks.
I asked my wife Oy how things are going with (having to) wear a face mask there, and she was a bit giggly about it, knowing how I feel about it.
But the idea of having to wear such a ridiculous piece of textile again (except in busy places such as buses and trains where I still see some use in it) that doesn't hold anything except some spit, already disgusts me.
It also has nothing to do with protection, but simply following the prevailing idea that those things protect you.
But no virus cares about an ordinary face mask, that's rubbish.
And the fact that some Thai people look at you like you're enemy of the state number 1 if you don't wear one of those things makes me feel like I'm lugging around a copy of North Korea.
I will be forced to adapt, but a visit to the Isaan, for example, will not be more fun. And therefore feel sorry for GeertP.
His question has nothing to do with stupid, stupid or 'spoiled maladjusted farang' as some suggest.
Even if you are only a guest, that is why you can still ask questions, especially when it comes to these kinds of nonsense actions that have nothing to do with stopping the Covid virus, but more with fooling yourself.
Yes!!
Here in Ubon Ratchathani the face mask works great, because I see the majority of the motosai riders with a face mask but without a helmet.
Then they drive with one hand on the wheel and the other ensures that the sun does not shine in their eyes.
Conclusion: face masks are safe tools!
In September I crossed the whole of Thailand by car with my Thai wife. Nowhere have we worn that rag and nowhere have we been looked at badly, everywhere we have been helped, nowhere have they asked to wear it,…. so where do you get that from…. I think it only plays in your own head.
Dear Pascal. I see a lot of (Thai) people everywhere with face masks, all day long and on many occasions. At immigration and the driver's license office you will be refused entry without a face mask, just to name a few. It is certainly the case that deviant behavior is frowned upon. Sometimes subtly and sometimes grossly this is made known. Why this has not happened to you is a mystery to me that only you can explain. It is certainly not figments of the imagination what others proclaim here.
What an interesting topic again! Face masks! In Thai หน้ากากอนามัย naa jaw anamai.
Hundreds of more or less scientific articles have been written about it. The effectiveness depends on which type of face mask, how you use it, where and when. The results range from helping a little to helping quite a bit.
You never have to put on a face mask outside unless you are standing close together in a large group. Indoors only if you can't keep enough distance in a poorly ventilated room. If you apply all the rules correctly, the chance that an infected person will infect someone else will decrease by 90 percent and the chance that you will be infected by 50 percent. So that is the ideal situation. If you don't follow the rules, the effectiveness quickly decreases. I advise those who are adamantly against any mask to tell the surgeon and nurses that they do not have to wear a mask if they unexpectedly need surgery. Do they like it.
Oh, and it's not that if you don't fully comply with a single one, the effectiveness immediately drops to zero.
I see everyone falling over each other with pros and cons, but I see nothing about the psychological blackmail that all governments have caused the world's population, perhaps a matter of seeing blind, short-sighted or simply stupid, sorry, too stupid and not interested in world events, well, it can happen, not very long ago there were a few conflicts that also escaped the attention of many populations and therefore took place to the horror of that same population, 1914-1918, 1939-1945, to name just a few, but perhaps this is a recurring pattern in the world, just saying.
What everyone forgets is that absolute confidence in a remedy, the placebo effect, works wonderfully well.
I want to keep myself completely out of the discussion of whether mouth masks help or not, my point is that wearing them should come to an end at some point.
The possible advantages are losing more and more ground against the disadvantages, I only have to walk for an hour here and I have a garbage bag full of that rubbish that is dumped everywhere.
Entering into a discussion with the people here is absolutely impossible because more and more people get their information from Facebook and Twitter and Tiktok, they don't even know the serious news channels.
I also see in the responses that a habituation has occurred, which in my opinion is even more dangerous than the Covid, if this lasts any longer, we will soon be up to our knees in the used face masks.
It will take another year before that really goes away, but you are now starting to see more and more Thais in, for example, Big C (CM) no longer wearing a mouth mask, which was almost 100% a month ago... But I have Are you bothered by Thais wearing a mouth mask? It is now no longer necessary to wear it so Up to You 555