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Home » Reader question » Reader question: How can you extend a visa for Thailand if you are ill?
Dear readers,
I've been walking around with the idea of living in Thailand for a while, but what I don't like are the Visa and Reporting rules in Thailand.
Report to Immigration every 3 months, have to “prove” everything again every year that you still meet the rules (income, etc).
All of that is surmountable if you are and stay healthy. But what if you were no longer healthy and, even worse, could no longer leave the house, for example. How can you then arrange the Notification obligation and Visa extension?
Is there anyone who has experience with that?
Yours faithfully,
Jeroen
2 weeks ago I saw an old woman not Thai appear in a wheelchair to the Thai immigration, for the necessary formalities.
We immigrants must comply with the imposed obligations, if you have a multiply non-emigrant visa "O" cross the border after 90 days come back immediately you do this 3 x the last visa before your year expires you go to an immigration close to your place of residence for a further renewal… the minimum income is requested of not less than 65.000 th bath per month or a minimum of 800.000 th bth in a thai bank.
It's simple and a small moment of arranging every 3 months.
Jeroen, then this.. you do not only have the obligation for yourself what the immigration asks of you ... if you are entitled to a pension, and I do not read whether you already have a pension or AOW .. then as an Aow pensioner you also have obligations towards the Netherlands…living statement every year Aow ditto that adds another shovel on top you have to go to the Dutch embassy to have the forms stamped, which you have to take to an sso office social security office.
Why this…..to prevent fraud etc etc.
Dear Albert,
It is not correct what you say about SSO you have a statement of life completed at the SSO and you send it yourself you do not have to go to the embassy to have this stamped was never the case you had a choice in the past you could also, for example, get a stamp pick up at the police station. I have only lived in Thailand for 8 years and I only had to do this in this way 3 months ago, I have an AOW pension
Greetings Cees
Just a small addition: if for whatever reason you have your life certificate signed at the Dutch Embassy (for example because you have to be there for something else, or because you happen to live right next door), you no longer have to send via the SSO as was the case before. Nowadays you can simply send it to the SVB yourself, the SSO does not have to be listed. In fact, when I went to the SSO with my life certificate signed by the embassy for ratification at the beginning of this year (I didn't know any better because I had been used to it for a few years) I was laughed at and I didn't get a signature and people didn't want to send the form for me either. Upon inquiry, the SVB confirmed that the SSO is not mandatory, if a competent authority has signed the life certificate, you can send it yourself.
The SSO therefore no longer has the special position it had in the beginning, but is simply “one of the competent authorities” who is also kind enough to send the form for you.
Dear Cees,
As far as a stamp at a police station is concerned, this has not been the case for at least 2 years, I was sent from pillar to post in Chiangmai and the surrounding area in and out of the police station 2 years ago, and was on a trip with a good Thai friend. fast racing engine, which saved a lot of time. Finally ended up at Thai immigration. However, (akela), head of immigration at that time tried to refer me to Bangkok, Dutch embassy.
My pants began to fall down figuratively at that moment. After what I think was a “reasonable discussion”, I became very angry, which is unusual in Thailand, but I eventually left with a stamped form. My driver, like the people present in the waiting room, had eea didn't know what was going on but saw an almost triumphant farang leave the immigration.
I mean, you don't have to accept everything.
Greetings Frank
then eventually ended up at Thai immigration
The 90-day reporting obligation can be done by post. Can also be done by someone else as long as they bring the passport.
The extension, you don't talk about visa anymore when you live here permanently, has to be done in person as far as I know. I doubt whether that also applies if you have been admitted, because I know that doctors sometimes issue a note for a foreigner who has been hospitalized.
But why don't you ask at the Immigration Post about the place where you plan to live?
As you get older, that can be a problem. I am 67 myself and still a bit fit, but imagine that I will soon get Alzheimer's? That is being dragged and tortured and fussed…. Don't even think about it!
The notification obligation that Jeroen is talking about is the “Address notification” that must be done if you stay in Thailand for more than 90 days. This reporting obligation can be done by the person himself, a third party or even by post.
with 65.000 THb income or 800.000 THb in a bank account you get an “extension of stay” for 1 year, you only have to do the address notification every 90 days
Just to be clear, the 65.000 THb income or 800.000 THb in a bank account is for a Non imm visa OA (retirement age 50+)
a Non imm O visa is for someone who is married to a Thai for this you need an income of 40.000 Thb per month or 400.000 Thb in an account.
Robert
If you are no longer able to visit an immigration office, you can use one of the many agencies that will do that for you for a not too large amount (I think 2.000 baht). They are on the internet. They also come to your house to collect documents. A doctor's note is helpful.
If you become acutely ill and your visa expires during that time, a doctor's statement is enough to temporarily extend your visa. That is called a medical visa. Very common. The immigration service is lenient in this regard.
I wouldn't worry about that.
Indeed Tina.
Had it once, was hospitalized in AEK Udon International Hospital. Was needed: Passport and doctor's statement. Nurse with motorbike driver came to get it in the room and was back after 1 hour with passport and visa stamp. They probably ate something on the way because they both smelled strongly of garlic, think papaya salad *grin*. Cost me 2.600 THB. Could also be if you had been sick at home, the doctor assured me.
If desired, I can look up the stamp, what it just says.
Regards, Davis.
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Something is not right here. My friend, a Belgian, had had an accident and had been operated on for a hernia in Udonthani. He ended up in a wheelchair for 3 months and could not take a step outside his own home. His visa stamp expired and he headed for the emigration in Udonthani to ask them what to do. He said I cannot possibly go to the border to obtain another 3 month extension via Laos visa run. He showed a doctor's note from the AEK hospital stating that the man could not be transported in the normal way. But the emigration was unrelenting, they said, we say that you just have to do the visa run via Laos.
Ultimately, the man did it with difficulty getting into a taxi and then you understand how painful it was for this man to cross the border for the rest of the journey in a wheelchair. It cost him a lot of money and the emigration was completely without cooperation. no way.
http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/123/15385-Non-Immigrant-Visa-%22O-A%22-(Long-Stay).html
No, the incomes for a non-emigration visa are “o” 65.000 THB per month and or 800.000 THB on a Thai bank visa. There is no obligation for a non-emigrant to be married to a Thai woman. Please, Mr. Robert, do not mix things up to create confusion.
Mr Albert,
I'm not saying there is an obligation either. Non Imm O and non Imm OA are two different visas
The first is if you are married to a Thai (non imm o) the other if you are over 50 (non IMM OA)
Each has different income requirements.
By the way, if you read the link you provide carefully, it clearly says Non IMM OA
From the link you provided I quote “1.1 Applicant must be aged 50 years and over (on the day of submitting application)”
I can't find anything about the NON IMM visa via the link mentioned. O (married to a Thai). Where do you get the information??
Dear Guy,
The next website http://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/base.php?page=faq
question 16
quote
” Answer : Alien having Thai wife could stay in Thailand under the reason of staying with his Thai wife. The requirements and documentations are as follows;
Foreign husband must obtain “Non-Immigrant visa”
Having any proof of relationship; Mariage Certificate,Birth certificate of their children(if any) etc.
Having evidence of nationality of his Thai wife; Thai ID card, her household registration Book.
Having relationship with Thai wife de jure and de facto; Family picture, map of the applicant's residence in Thailand.
Having evidences of definite financial status of foreign husband by showing average income not less than 40,000 Baht per month or having money in the Thai Bank account of not less than 400,000 Baht which must be held consecutively not shorter than two months.
Documents supporting financial status of foreign husband as mentioned
above are as follows:
For husband foreign working in Thailand
Work Permit
Letter from his employer verified employment and salary in details.(monthly salary must not be less than 40,000 Baht)
Evidence of payment of annual income tax with receipt (Por Ngor Dor 1 of latest three months and Por Ngor Dor 91 of the previous year)
OR
5.2 In case of having money in the bank account (Fix/Saving Deposit) of any bank in Thailand
– The updated bank passbook on the date of application submission showing his account of not less than 400,000 Baht which has been deposited and consecutively held of such amount for 2 months
– Letter from the bank certified that account.
OR
5.3 In case of foreign husband having any other income (not working in Thailand) such as pension, social welfare etc.
– Letter from the applicant's Embassy consulate in Bangkok verified his monthly pension or other income not less than 40,000 Baht per month
An affidavit confirming the alien's status with a Thai national”
I have lived here for six years no problem if you are retired you have to show 65000 baht not on a bank account, you have your annual statements stamped by the embassy, medical certificate, rental contract, 1900 baht a photo and it's done I go every three months to the immigration service and get 90 days free again, good luck people, and don't think too much harmful to the brain, enjoy your life, Thailand is a beautiful country.
Suppose you are 50 and you want to go to Thailand for a long time.
An OA visa is no longer issued in a Thai embassy abroad (eg Belgium). It used to be,
You will now receive a Non Immigrant O visa there, for one year, possibly multiple entry.
With that O visa you go to the immigration in Thailand. There you can get a RETIREMENT visa (800.000 Baht on your account in Thailand or sufficient income) or a FAMILY visa, if you are married to a Thai (400.000 Baht on your account)
Once you have that visa with a multiple entry stamp, you have to go to immigration every 90 days and you will get another extension for 90 days.
When the year is over, you no longer have to go to your home country to get a new visa from a Thai embassy, but you can get it at the immigration in Thailand.
My question is the same as Jeroen's: what if you REALLY get sick / need help? Not a flu, not even bedridden for a few months, but if you have become REALLY NEEDED.
In NL you go to the nursing home, but in Thailand? ?
Or is old farang simply left to its own devices because the care effort is too high, and.. the hotmail / gmail address no longer exists after a while, mobile number no longer “in service” as Frans Adriani Tarn-Ing-Doi Village , Hang Dong, Chiang Mai ? (will be 76-78 years old now)
Moderator: This comment is no longer about the reader question.
Eugeen forgot to mention that if you have a non-emigrant visa “O” with multiple entry, you have to leave the country every 90 days, that means! Depending on where you stay in Thailand... just cross the border and arrange a visa straight back across the border into Thailand.
If you have done this after 3 periods of 90 days, your last visa run will start... but then to the immigration in Thailand where you are staying or a nearest Thai immigration.
Dear Jeroen,
You see ghosts where they aren't. Apparently you mean the 90-day notification obligation with the 'retirement visa' (which is not a visa, by the way, but a year extension of your Non-Immigrant Visa 'O'), and the annual proof that you still have sufficient income to enter eligible for another 1-year extension.
'Emigrate' does not exist here; at least it is very difficult. You remain a foreigner, and it is normal that the Thai government wants to know where you live (this report can also be made in writing or by an authorized representative). It is also normal that you prove that you have sufficient income; you have to do the latter once a year (requires approx. 1 minutes in Pattaya).
I've been doing this for almost 20 years; never had any problem, even when I was in a wheelchair for 2 years. There are always people to help you and Immigration is correct and extremely lenient – if you behave correctly too. If you are in a hospital, then a sleeve can certainly be adjusted there as well.
So, come to Thailand without this kind of worry! A wonderful country!
The original question is not about visa extension and reporting every 3 months, but how this works if you are housebound due to illness, for example! Good reading is truly an art. Well: you can do the 3-month notification by post, and the extension: see response Tino Kuis! And that was it.
Yes, you can do the 3 months notification by post if you have an OA Non-Immigrant. But what if you have an O? then you have to cross the border every 90 days. It's hard to do that by post... isn't it?
In Jeroen's original question, he states that he thinks there are a number of rules that he encounters in the event of serious illness, bedriddenness, dependency, etc., in short: if it is impossible for you for health reasons to join you in person at the Immigration office. He literally writes: (quote) Report to Immigration every 3 months, have to “prove” everything again every year that you still meet the rules (income, etc). (end of quote)
His question is not about what and how to act if you have to cross the border every 3 months. How hard can it be to read a question properly.
So again: in the case of bedridden, illness, disability, old age, Alzheimer's, progressive loss of mental abilities: the 3-month address confirmation can be sent by post or by someone else. Arrange that in advance. Surely you will be on good terms with one person in TH?
Further extensions of annual residence? See Tino Kuis' answer.
Cees nooooo you have empathy and the papers from the SVB bank stamped.. you have this coded by the SSO who then lets y
You being alive etc sent to the SVB bank in Roermond.
In the Netherlands, many were worried about everything and apparently we also start with this when we, for example, make the decision to live in Thailand with almost as many rules as in the Netherlands. So be it, don't let this influence your decision. Incidentally, if you do indeed become rickety, sick or bedridden, help can be purchased in Thailand, which is unthinkable in the Netherlands.
You are left to the very expensive institutions that cut back on showers and even the biscuit with tea is not provided daily to save costs.
Don't let anything stop you from having a happy time in Thailand and remember that it is wise to keep the possibility open to be able to press the "reset button".
Dear All,
I regularly read something about visas, 6500 baht income and either 400.000 or 800.000 baht on an account in Thailand.
I have been living in Thailand for over a year and a half now and am married to a female police officer who has connections with immigration.
Not every immigration office tells you what the actual situation is with the income and an amount in your account.
Well, I hope I can provide some answers to this. Yes, from the Netherlands you need a monthly income of 65000 bath when applying for a retirement O visa. If you do not arrive here, you must indeed have 800.000 on a Thai account.
Once in Thailand you will indeed have to stamp every 3 months, not wait until the last day.
If your visa has expired after a year, you will have to apply for an extension, which you can do at your emigration office.
Suppose your income at that time is less than 65000 baht, 800.000 is really not necessary to realize your extension. A 120.000 baht that is in an account for 3 months seems sufficient if, for example, you only have 55000 baht per month.
Are you married to a Thai, there is a third option. Provide a yellow book so that every cover knows where you live and make sure you have photos of your home.
I'm just saying that few people seem to know this. Finally, you are alone in Thailand, it is more difficult because of the language. Are you married to someone who works at a coverment, you have many advantages.
Gr.dunghen.
Hallo,
Someone once said to me when you are 50 and you apply for a retirement visa that you only have to go to immigration once a year?
Boy, oh boy. Who really knows how things are arranged in Thailand. One says this and the other that.
Is there really no person who can list everything exactly, but exactly, what the (legal) requirements are to be allowed to stay in Thailand. You are always a guest even if you have lived here for 8 years. In fact, you have nothing to say here. Can you put real estate, a car, in your Dutch name. I assume that you live here alone and that you have deregistered in the Netherlands. As far as I know NO NOTHING.
If you are married to a Thai, everything will be in HER name. You are good for the money.
Looking forward to the response(s).
Many thanks in advance. Jan
Moderator: Please respond to the reader's question.
This is a very logical question Jeroen, that is thinking ahead, it seems that you want to be and stay in Thailand for a very long time.
If you are ill, you can have the 90-day address notification done by someone else or by post.
If you have an Aow you can have the life certificate personally validated at the SSO for the SVB. The new SVB rule is that you send this to the SVB yourself; if you receive a partner allowance, your partner must also come to the SSO.
If you cannot go to the SSO or Immigration yourself due to being bedridden at home or in hospital, you will have to arrange a doctor's statement that you are unable to come yourself, no experience with it, but I will certainly succeed, provided you have the right extra papers take with you, e.g. copy of your 90-day notification, yellow tabien job, which shows that you live in Thailand, passport and whatever else the SSO or Immigration would like to ask, they always have that right, that will not be too much to ask .
If you have a visa O, you have to leave Thailand every 90 days, so I think it would be more sensible that you apply for an OA multiple, then you don't always have to leave the country, only at the end of the 1st OA year, please note!! leave the country once before the expiry date of your visa, which is an earlier date than the date of 1st entry into Thailand!!
You can only get OA if you are 50+ in your home country, which later becomes a so-called Retirement visa.
Visa O seems difficult to leave the country every 90 days if you can no longer do that yourself, but well, then the following is necessary, I think.
Immigration has the option to extend a visa for humanitarian reasons, e.g. in case you are so ill that you can no longer come yourself and/or can no longer leave the country every 90 days, e.g. are terminal, Alzheimer's, etc.; if you already live in Thailand on a valid visa, they really won't throw you out, also here, of course, provide the immigration officer with the necessary paperwork, including the doctor's statement.
Personal circumstances play a role, we do not know about you Jeroen, it is important that if you are single in Thailand that you have someone who knows you and can help you in an emergency, neighbours, acquaintances, friends, family, then you do not have to you don't have to worry unnecessarily.
Nico B
Never have any trouble with proof of being alive. Take the SVB form to the Amphur in Udonthani, where they will stamp it and sign it for barely 50 bath. Send this yourself by registered mail to SVB Roermond and it is always found to be in order. I do I always include a note asking if they would like to email that they have received the form correctly. I have never had a problem with this for 6 years.
Jan
Nico.B finally you give the correct answer to Jeroen's question…indeed as I have already stated here Sso gentlemen know-it-alls NEW RULE SVB BANK
After validation, the SSO is the agency that sends your papers to Roermond. This means a guarantee that your papers will actually arrive in Holland. If you send it yourself, there is no guarantee of arrival new new new Nico.B you out The explanation is correct, Jeroen, stop here and just come to Thailand when you're ready. It looks a bit confusing when it comes to visas, etc., but it's simple once you've gone through the route.
Albert, thank you for your positive response, but please note ... my response states that the SSO no longer sends the life certificate to the SVB.
The SVB has clearly indicated this in the new rules.
If you send it yourself you can do so by registered mail, my experience is that it will certainly arrive, if you ask the SVB to confirm receipt by email, they have done so so far..
Nico B
There is a new rule again…and well…a travel plan if you apply for a non-emigrant visa “O”…the long-resident emigrants…the old-timers, so to speak, get stuck in old rules…look at…royal thai consulate in Amsterdam. .look under visas and requirements.