Dear readers,

My name is Steve living in Belgium, just back from a 3 week holiday in Pattaya. And something I had planned not to happen… It did happen: falling in love!!

Now I have always been convinced that it can take a very long time and that it costs a lot of money, with the ignorance of whether it will work. The age difference is acceptable I think, the Thai is 33 years old, I myself turn 40 next month.

There is still another problem. She spent 2 years in prison there because of drugs that were found at her home. She did get a paper that she was declared free. In prison she also gave birth to her daughter who just turned 3 years old. So she enjoys her freedom for just over a year.

My question to you is… Is it a hopeless start? Or is there a real chance of success?

Hopefully you can help me with my question.

With kind regards,

Steve

14 responses to “Reader question: In love with a Thai after vacation, does that have any chance of success?”

  1. john mak says up

    Steve whether it has any chance of success depends of course on the two of you together, but I think you have to think about it very carefully.
    it will probably take a long time before you can live together given your age and working in thailand will be very difficult.

    to get her to the Netherlands will not be easy given her prison background.

    I think it will cost you a lot of money to support her if she has no job and a child.

    it seems to me, given my own experiences, very difficult and I personally wouldn't start it, but that is of course up to you and your feeling

    • Rob V says up

      I believe this concerns a Belgian who is considering entering into a relationship with a Thai. If it had concerned the Netherlands, it would have become difficult because the government is not fond of convicted aliens. The Dutch state states:

      There is a maximum term for objecting to crimes committed in the context of an application for first admission, except in the case of a homicidal offense (murder/manslaughter). In that case, the MVV can be rejected at any time. In the case of crimes for which a prison sentence of six years or more is threatened, the term within which the MVV can be refused is 20 years. These include (forms of) crimes against morals, crimes against life and assault. Drug crimes, crimes against public authority, weapons crimes and crimes endangering the general safety of persons or property, such as arson, are also included. In the case of a conviction, transaction or punishment order for a drug offense or a violent crime for which a prison sentence of less than six years is threatened, the term is 10 years. 'Violent crimes' in any case include: assault, public violence, threats, insults and resisting arrest.
      In the case of other, less serious crimes, the term is 5 years.”

      These terms apply from the day that someone has served their sentence. In the Netherlands, someone with a drug offense of 2 years would therefore have to wait at least 10 years to have a chance of staying here. No idea what the Belgian regulations are. So then there are 2 questions:

      – An investment with a foreign partner is not very easy anyway as you have to go through bureaucratic hurdles, have various obligations (integration, etc.) and that involves a nice price tag, paperwork and patience. The long distance doesn't make it easy either because you can't see each other in real life every day. But if two people really want to move forward together, it's worth fighting. Is everything worth this for Steve and his girlfriend? Only she can decide that. If you really want to move forward together, I would definitely fight for it. If all procedures/steps are successfully completed, it will only make the relationship stronger if possible.

      – If you go further, is this possible in Belgium or will the authorities put a stop to it (do they see her as an unwanted or less desirable criminal?). I don't know the Belgian rules, but if you can't travel via Belgium, that's not the end of the story. Of course, Steve can also move to Thailand OR they can - if married - live elsewhere in Europe. Then Steve does the “EU route” (also known as “the Belgium route” for the Dutch). Due to the free movement of EU nationals and their (non-EU) family members, they can live anywhere in Europe provided they are not an unreasonable burden to the Member State and are not dangerous to the state.

      So it will all be easy, most certainly not, but if Steve and his partner think this relationship is great, I personally would definitely fight for it.

  2. RonnyLatPhrao says up

    Dear Steve,

    Given the very short time you've known her and the information you've provided about her past, I'm afraid you're going to get some reactions.

    No one can answer your question. You have to understand that yourself.
    I even think that deep (or maybe not so deep) inside you already know the answer, but you hope that someone will come up with another solution.

    You should also understand that it is impossible for her to obtain proof of good behavior, which in turn may affect any future plans. This is regardless of whether or not she was rightly convicted. Something to look at and think about calmly (and in your right mind) if I were you.

    The best advice I would give you is – take your time, and don't make any hasty decisions.

    Time can and will tell, but use that time wisely.

  3. Kidney says up

    It's hard Steve, my in-laws met in 1988. This after 3 weeks of vacation from my father-in-law in Thailand. He started writing after his holiday and went back half a year later to marry her.

    They had a daughter (my wife) (in the Netherlands) and are still happy together.
    Because he married a Thai, they met a few couples in the Netherlands whose wife was also Thai. These have all broken up now. The 3 men now live in Thailand and have met several women who are purely out for money.

    In fact, 1 got so bad that she didn't even want to help when he got to the hospital and couldn't even afford his meds. Result: died.
    Another thought he could do anything in Thailand and cheated while his wife did everything for him at home. The result: one day there were other locks on the door and his self-built house was confiscated.

    So it can go right, but also very wrong. Love makes blind. Try to get clear what is best for you and if the love is real and especially if it is mutual. I've heard many stories of women asking for money to help someone or fix something. In any case, never do that. If you are asked for money for whatever reason, you know that money is the motive and not you as a person.

    And don't make any hasty decisions.

  4. self says up

    Dear Steve, you are forty years old, not fourteen! You are no longer a teenager. So don't act like a hotel bot, pull yourself together and take some distance. This allows you to look rationally at the situation that has arisen, and you do not make decisions based on overwhelming emotions, which you will regret afterwards, because you lost control of yourself.

    What is going on? You met a Thai woman in Pattaya during a three-week vacation. Given this very short span of time, she must have cast a spell on you! And how? But hey, seriously. Does she speak Dutch, and you maybe Thai? Did you speak English? Fluent, or Thenglian? The famous Lovelanguage, maybe? What did she say to you? Did she say: Darling, I love you? I take care of you? Has she been able to explain to you what her intentions are? A Farang who is crazy about her and who can perhaps act as guarantor for her and for her 3-year-old son? Do you want that? Was that your intention?

    What do you want? Keep in touch? No problem! Go back to her on vacation in a while.
    Start a relationship? In Belgium, in Thailand? It will be Belgium. They will certainly want!
    Is that going to work? Check with the Belgian government whether that will work given its antecedents.
    Do you want a child? You didn't even want to fall in love, so "look before you leap"!
    Do you know her enough? Do you have enough time and money to get to know her?
    Do you have your own situation in order? Fixed income, housing, stable life?
    Do you know her situation, her backgrounds, circumstances, intentions, wishes?

    A lot of questions. You must answer yourself. Is it a hopeless start? Not if you take the time to come to the right decisions for you. Is there a realistic chance of success? Not if it all has to be realized in the short term.

    But the key question is: Would you do it? Then I say no, not on the basis of a holiday crush, the craziness of which you don't know how to regain control of yourself. I would choose a woman with a clean coat of arms, and who is not hindered by circumstances with which she herself can go a long way towards meeting my desire to establish a relationship together. It already seems that a lot of time, money, effort, energy, worries, and headaches have to come only from you. Let them also invest, otherwise it will become very one-sided.

    • Rob V says up

      If I were Steve I would first get to know each other better (short holidays together), then if they feel they want to continue sharing their lives together they should do that or at least try. Her history may make it a bit more difficult than usual…

      And no one gets a crystal ball to see whether a relationship will last... 1 in 3 marriages between Dutch couples are on the rocks, I believe, so no, there are no guarantees in life. Follow your heart, use your mind and then do what feels 'right'. Good luck Steve!

  5. Emil says up

    Best friend. you don't know what you're getting into. Dozens of stories like yours end badly. Very rarely it succeeds. My advice; Take it easy and don't commit! If she lasts 5 years without always looking at your euros then you can move on. However, I'm afraid she won't last. In any case, "be careful sol" as my grandmother said.

  6. Paul Vercammen says up

    Hi Steve,
    You never have certainties in love, not even in Belgium. So it will be looking into a crystal ball. It's always the extreme stories you hear, but you usually won't hear about the normal and happy couples.
    When you get started, it won't be easy. Think about everything carefully and then make a decision. I myself am 54 and my fold 40 so the age difference is about the same. We have been together for about 4 years now, married and living in Belgium for 1 year. I insisted on bringing her 5-year-old daughter to Herentals as well. I myself had decided to let her come here twice on holiday and I myself went to her very often and then we had taken the big step. So yes, if you count all the flights, money that I sent her, there is a cost to this. What I have experienced is that usually it is the family that wants money, so watch out! But is there a price to love???
    Good luck. If I can help you with anything, just give me a call.

  7. Pat says up

    Very short but concrete advice: give in to your feelings, to your crush and go for it completely.

    However, as soon as it becomes even a little about money and you have to regularly go to your bank account for her or her family, then you throw her out because it will certainly make your life very miserable.

    Then you can write to us again asking what to do now!

    Much happiness together!

  8. Patty says up

    Dear Steve,

    Most of the girls in Pattaya are there for the money and to hook a rich one. Read carefully what the others have already written which is true.
    But if I were you I would go back and get to know her better and not stay in Pattaya all the time. Most of those who work in Pattaya come from Isaan, which is the north-east of Thailand. There the average income is less than 8000 baht per month. Ask where she is from and go there. This way you get to know the whole family and life in the countryside, which is very beautiful and different from those tourist places. Stay there as long as you can and don't be too generous with money but not too stingy either. Don't always give what she asks for. This way you get to know her from a different side. If all goes well you can go back again in a few years, but after the first time you already know enough if she is in love with you or with your money. And you won't regret later that you didn't try if it doesn't work out as I think
    .
    Good luck and make a good decision.

  9. Gerardus Hartman says up

    From the story that she was in prison for drugs, I understand that before this she had wrong friends, led an unstable life, possibly traceable to working in the bar and going with farang.
    That had its influence and scarred her for life. You meet her in the bar and she is madly in love with you and you think you have found the one. What she's looking for is someone to take her out of the bar, give her a good life where she can house her child. That goes well until the money runs out or she gets tired of you or she meets someone who gives better perspective. Hundreds of farang have experienced such a situation. Already talking about getting married and taking it with you to Belgium has no basis. Go with her to the province to relatives and see how she behaves there. In Pattaya, all the ladies have that extra make-up and poker face they need to keep themselves entertained in farang. If that falls away, the true self emerges and that appeals to you, you can think further. If money is a side issue for her and the relationship is the main thing, you can go further. Otherwise, continue your search before the flapper tap runs out.

  10. lomlalai says up

    Also try to find out (probably not easy) if the conviction was only for drug possession or is it more than that perhaps drug trafficking, so you don't get it too late (if you're married) "oh solly drop, i foget tell you about that”, because there are Thai ladies who make things look better than they really are…..

  11. lung addie says up

    Yes, the history does not speak in favor of the person concerned. However, I still know of those who have been in prison for finding drugs in their home. The owner of the drugs, a Frenchman, had smelled trouble and had just left for the house search. This lady in question also spent two years in the monkey house before it was accepted that the drugs were not hers, did not use herself (blood test) and was released.
    Whether the relationship will succeed? Who can give a sensible answer to that? The questioner should use his own mind and put everything neatly in a row… what is his “crush” based on? Fun in bed at three weeks? Or was there more? We can only guess at the true reason of the lady in question and we certainly cannot generalize, you will have to figure that out yourself, but a proven fact is that there are quite a few for whom the most important thing is: someone who gives “them” a better life than what they currently have. Judging by what you write, it won't be easy. I personally, also a Belgian, would certainly not start a “holiday relationship” with just about anyone and anywhere. You don't get to know each other better from a distance, unless you want a LAP or PAP relationship, and this will not be a cheap relationship, because of the great distance and the family situation of the lady in question, you can count on that.
    lung addie

  12. KhunBram says up

    People can make mistakes. Even more than 1 time.
    You can't 'checkout' on THAT
    IF it's not structural at least.
    The place where you met her is at a disadvantage.
    But that's also a side issue
    TAKE TIME and be extra careful.
    People (almost everyone) deserve a good chance to be happy.

    KhunBram


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