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Deregister from the Netherlands with WIA and move to Thailand?

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February 19 2019

Dear readers,

I have a WGA follow-up benefit and a WIA allowance, which is a total social minimum benefit of 1195 euros gross per month. Can I deregister from the Netherlands so that I still have enough money (gross/net)?

Please click here for information and how much money you will have left after deregistration in the Netherlands.

Regards,

Hubert

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15 responses to “Deregister from the Netherlands with WIA and move to Thailand?”

  1. erik says up
    19 February 2019 at 11: 12

    As far as I know, your WGA benefit is reduced due to the country of residence factor, so that you are left with 40% gross. Then you have too little left to live on or you must have a fat piggy bank. If you have no or insufficient assets, wait until AOW and pension take effect.

    • erik says up
      19 February 2019 at 11: 19

      And for the sake of completeness, when you emigrate to Thailand, your health care policy and the tax credits will expire.

  2. Frits says up
    19 February 2019 at 11: 40

    According to the UWV site, you get a discount of 0,4 country factor when moving to Thailand. So you are left with 60% of EUR 1195. (@erik incorrectly names this discount as a “country of residence factor” and also reverses this factor.)
    But even without this discount you do not have enough to meet the income requirements of Thai Immigration, namely ThB 65 K per month; unless you have sufficient savings (ThB 800K) in a Thai bank.
    But make no mistake: if you have EUR 700 left over, at the current low exchange rate, also written out from the NL "health fund", life will not get any easier.
    In addition: your state pension for later will be reduced by 2% per year for each year you live outside the Netherlands.

    • erik says up
      19 February 2019 at 15: 32

      Frits, what is that misread here?

      https://www.uwv.nl/particulieren/overige-onderwerpen/internationaal/handhavingsverdrag-naar-welke-landen-kan-uitkering-mee/detail/overzicht-landen-waar-u-uw-uitkering-mee-naartoe-kunt-nemen

      It says 'Your benefit will be multiplied by this factor' and for Thailand it is 0,4.

      • Frits says up
        19 February 2019 at 23: 30

        The literal text (click your link open) reads: “Do you receive a follow-up benefit or are you going to receive it? Then that benefit is reduced by a 'country factor'.” For Thailand, the country factor is 0,4. So 0,6 of EUR 1195 remains.

        • steven says up
          20 February 2019 at 08: 19

          Frits, you read wrong. It does indeed say that the benefit is reduced by a country factor, but it also says 'your benefit is multiplied by (for Thailand) a country factor of 0,4'. The latter is very concrete, your interpretation is clearly not there.

  3. harry says up
    19 February 2019 at 11: 56

    As Erik says about the country of residence factor and healthcare policy. You do not state your age, but when you deregister from the Netherlands you also lose a 2% AOW per year that you do not live in the Netherlands. requirements to live permanently in Thailand. Since you have a WGA benefit, your health will not be too good. It will also be very difficult to take out health insurance in Thailand. But there is already a lot about this written in this blog.

  4. Any says up
    19 February 2019 at 12: 19

    Dear Hubert,
    If you have WGA (resumption of work partially incapacitated for work) benefit, you can always be called up for a re-examination and the UWV can put you back to work.

  5. Peter A says up
    19 February 2019 at 12: 38

    Dear Hubert,
    As you indicate, you receive a follow-up benefit from the WIA. That is 40% of the minimum wage. You will receive an additional allowance to reach the social minimum.
    The allowance will lapse upon deregistration from the Netherlands. You will only be left with the follow-up payment. This follow-up benefit is reduced by another 60% due to the country of residence principle. So you only have 40% of 40% of the minimum wage left. So that's just a scratch of what you're left with. This is also nowhere near enough to meet the visa requirements of 65000 baht.

    Unless you can add an Invalidity pension and possibly a pre-pension. Or an old sock with a large capacity, you can forget to deregister and move to Thailand.

    • Lammert de Haan says up
      19 February 2019 at 14: 40

      Fortunately, you point out a very important aspect that applies to Huibert that I had already missed in the previous responses, namely the cancellation of the WIA allowance.

      For the exceptions to this, see the website of the UWV:
      https://www.uwv.nl/particulieren/overige-onderwerpen/internationaal/handhavingsverdrag-naar-welke-landen-kan-uitkering-mee/detail/overzicht-landen-waar-u-uw-uitkering-mee-naartoe-kunt-nemen

      Via this website, Huibert can choose from the countries for which the most favorable conditions apply with regard to the export of UWV benefits, should he wish to leave the Netherlands.

      As far as Thailand is concerned, the application of the country factor has been litigated. See the following judgment of the Court of Amsterdam:
      https://uitspraken.rechtspraak.nl/inziendocument?id=ECLI:NL:RBAMS:2017:1767

  6. Herbert says up
    19 February 2019 at 13: 20

    Too little benefit money but deduction from benefit money is no longer described by court as discrimination and may no longer be applied. Minimum income must be 1650 euros or equivalent in Thai bank account

  7. rori says up
    19 February 2019 at 13: 37

    8 months in Thailand and 4 months in the Netherlands or Belgium (treaty country) to go or stay.
    WIA benefit is too low.

    • Cornelis says up
      19 February 2019 at 14: 59

      8 months Thailand? How? Not with a so-called Retirement Extension of a Non-Immigrant visa, because then you have to meet that income/money-in-the-bank requirement again…

  8. Jasper says up
    20 February 2019 at 07: 05

    8 months Thailand can be done with some rustling work, the benefit is probably seen by the embassy in The Hague as meeting the requirements for retirement, he only has to ensure that there is (temporarily) 20,000 euros demonstrably in his savings / bank account in The Netherlands. That's what good friends are for! You will then receive a multiple non-immigrant O visa, but you only need to cross the border twice for a stamp and Bob's your Uncle. You repeat this procedure in the 2 months that you will be in the Netherlands.

    The big olivant in the china cabinet, however, is the 1158 euros per month. Healthcare costs etc. continue to go through, so say that you have freely disposable 1000 euros. Goes ticket and visa, plus 2 x visa runs from av. Then Schraalhans, especially in Thailand, is also a kitchen master. Aren't you going to make it in a fun way here in LOS.

  9. Martin Farang says up
    20 February 2019 at 10: 39

    Yes, you can and you will receive 100% of your current benefit without the supplement. You lose that. It is a work-related benefit that lasts until you reach the age of 67 or state pension.
    I'm in the same boat.


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