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Home » Reader question » Marry my Thai girlfriend
Marry my Thai girlfriend
Dear readers,
I'm Belgian and on 18/07/22 I'm getting married with my Thai girlfriend at the town hall of Phuket. I have questions about this:
- Do I have to contact the pension service in Brussels or the Belgian embassy in Bangkok after the wedding to change my pension status from single to married?
- What documents (originals or copies) do I need to present to either of them.
- Is there anything else I should do?
Kindly advise, thanks.
Regards,
Frank
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Of course you must pass this on and you are responsible for this. Perhaps it would have been better if you had been informed before you thought about this (getting married). In my opinion, both authorities should be aware of this
I don't think embassies have a role here other than legalizing your marriage certificate.
Just like in the Netherlands, I expect that it is also mandatory in Belgium to report a foreign marriage to your Belgian municipality of residence. I think it would be wise to pass this on to your pension manager.
Thanks Edwin for the confirmation, but do you know which documents both (Belgian embassy and pension service in Brussels) need?
You could plan your honeymoon to the Netherlands so that your wife can apply for a multi-year multiple entry visa at the Dutch embassy.
Good read Prawo,
this is not about the advice you are giving at all. This is about a BELGIAN, what does this have to do with applying for a multiple entry visa at the Dutch embassy?
Prawo is a lawyer with a lot of knowledge about visas. He points to the possibility of obtaining a Schengen visa in another EU country in a simple manner and, in my opinion, free of charge. For example, a Belgian can apply for a Schengen visa in the Netherlands after his marriage and easily travel to Belgium with his wife. Many are ignorant of this construction for European citizens which offers many advantages.
Sounds like a bus, and such a facilitating visa for family members (including, of course, the marriage partner) of an EU/EEA national to a Member State other than one's own country is free and can practically not be rejected (except in the case of fraud or someone is dangerous). A handy tip for (newly or longer) married readers who want an easy, quick and free holiday to Europe without any hassle.
Details are also in my Schengen dossier here on the blog.
Dear Peter, yes, that's how you see it... How many people (whether Belgians or Dutch) know this? Belgium and the Netherlands = Europe = the Schengen Agreement, you must already be a lawyer or lawyer if you want to know this and specifically know that matter. Ordinary people don't know anything about this! I would like to say the following to Prawo: at least explain this properly once, and in an understandable way!
I discovered this a few years ago, when I wanted to take my wife to the Netherlands for a second time. When we were not yet married, we applied for a visa at the embassy. The whole rigmarole with interviews and so on. When we wanted to go to the Netherlands for the second time, it turned out to be no different for married people. We went ten times to the German embassy and indicated Düsseldorf as our destination. Saved a lot of hassle and it was cheaper too, because that visa was not necessary.
Apart from the fact that Rob V has already explained this a dozen times here, it is in his file (he repeats again “Details are also in my Schengen file here on the blog”), of course no one knows that….
But it really has nothing to do with the question of the questioner at the moment.
@Lung addie
Contrary to what you assume, I have indeed read that it concerns a Belgian.
It is precisely for that reason that I refer Frank to the Dutch embassy for a (indeed free) Schengen visa.
You have already received an explanation in two previous responses.
Tip: submit such a visa application correctly, because if even a comma is wrong, it will be used to reject the application.
Let me now have won an emergency provision in a similar situation last Thursday: the Netherlands must treat the Tunisian partner of a Frenchwoman in that case as if he were in possession of the requested visa. A judge cannot issue visas himself, but the ruling will mean that the client will receive the visa in his passport this week so that he and his partner can fly to Brussels next Sunday and then immediately travel on to the Netherlands.
If and to the extent that the Dutch embassy in Bangkok reads this, the following will follow. If it were up to me, you will also receive similar applications. For these applications there is a right of direct access to the embassy, i.e. without VFS Global (with associated costs).
What will facilitating in Bangkok mean?
My advice: think about how you are going to arrange this and in particular how you instruct the staff that facilitation in any case does NOT mean sending applicants away and referring them to VFS Global, not giving those involved an appointment within 15 days and asking for documents unnecessarily.
Dear Prawo,
since you, as a Dutch specialist, act in this Belgian matter, I will refrain from any further comment about the services that Frank, and with which documents, must be notified in BELGIUM.
By the way, most of it can be read in my file: Deregistration for Belgians and Frank can go a long way with that.
I have already successfully handled many files, such as this one, with the 'population' service, the 'pension service' and the 'tax office' and know quite well how and what to do in BELGIUM. Belgium is not THE NETHERLANDS.
Regarding obtaining a visa: the questioner does not ask for that at all, so it is irrelevant in this question. We don't even know if he, together with his wife, wants to move to Belgium or stay here. We don't even know if he wants to go there on vacation.
For him it is only important which services he has to notify after his marriage and which documents he needs for this, something to which he has not yet received a single completely correct answer in all reactions.
Hello Frank,
I assume that you had to take some steps before the wedding and, among other things, had to make an “Affidavit” (declaration of honor) at the Belgian embassy in Bangkok. (the Affidavit means, among other things, that you are not married and can marry your Thai girlfriend as a “free” man). For this you will also have to submit a certificate of “family composition” showing that you are “alone”. Once the legal marriage has been solemnized, you must have the marriage certificate translated by a translation agency recognized by the Belgian embassy. (Express Translation could be recommended here, you will also find this on the list provided by the embassy). The documents must also be “legalized”, the translation agency can also arrange this. You must then also have the marriage recognized in Belgium and inform the pension service about this. The marriage will also be “screened” by the Immigration Office in Belgium. As soon as the marriage has been accepted, if your spouse does not have a professional activity and lives with you in Belgium, you can also receive a family pension. NB!!! If your (now) wife returns alone to stay in Thailand and you in Belgium, the pension service will split the “family pension”, which means that you will receive 50% of the pension in Belgium… and your wife 50% % in Thailand…
I advise you to draw up a “Prenuptial Agreement” or marriage contract in English and Thai (also legalized) to avoid any complications in the future.
Good luck with that…
Yan
Hello Yan, thanks for your advice. I have all the documents you refer to. We live and stay in Phuket. My future wife is not working and neither am I. I think we also get a Belgian family pension if we live in Phuket, or am I wrong? Regards, Frank
You will indeed receive a family pension…
indeed you must first of all be registered in the embassy bkk.
report your marriage to the embassy.
Notify the pension service with the necessary papers and tralala.
An investigation will then be started into your social security situation.
Your pension will be recalculated according to your social security contributions.
You will then receive a revised pension payment, taking into account your marital status.
You must also have a statement of your spouse's income.
You must then transfer a life certificate to the pension service (annually).
after about 6 months the research is completed and you will receive the monthly amount that will be deposited
namely. The administration mill also turns slowly but surely in Belgium.
And then the misery begins with the tax authorities, after all, you have to prove that you do not work in Thailand. It is a Belgian farce that causes me to pay too much tax every year.
Hi Marcel,
That is a sensitive chord that I have not thought about.
Can you explain in more detail? how come you pay taxes?
I have been retired here for 2 years and my future Thai wife is not working.
I have no properties in BE or in the EU, nothing at all.
I would like your story here.
Best Regards, Frank
Dear Janssens Marcel,
Have you already contacted the tax authorities (preferably in writing) asking what kind of proof of non-work they accept?
If you are staying in Thailand on the basis of a visa other than a Non-immigrant “B” it is legally prohibited to perform paid work in Thailand. It seems to me that handing in the relevant pages of your passport should in principle be sufficient for the tax authorities. If necessary, include the immigration conditions of your visa/residence type.
If anyone knows better I'd appreciate it.
Dear Frank,
on 23 and 24/7 I am personally in Phuket.
If you give me your telephone number, I will contact you for a possible appointment and I can personally give you all the necessary BELGIAN legal information.
Regards,
Lung addie (file manager Deregistration for Belgians)
Dear Lung Addie,
Thank you very much for the proposal which I am happy to accept.
Can you send an email to [email protected]
to which will respond and pass my TH TEL.
I invite you for lunch!
Do you prefer real TH food or rather real Belgian, French, Italian….
Looking forward to your message,
Sincerely, Frank