Dear readers,

I have been in a relationship with a 46 year old Thai woman for over a year. We would like to get married in July for the law in Thailand. Can someone tell me if my future wife has to take a Dutch exam before she can come to Belgium?

I would also like to know at an interview at the embassy about what questions they can ask?

Which expat has recently experienced this as the legislation changes very quickly?

Thanks in advance.

With kind regards,

Guy

18 responses to “Reader question: What should my future Thai wife do before she can come to Belgium?”

  1. fernand says up

    Dear,

    If you want to get married in Thailand, consult the website of the Belgian embassy, ​​where you will find everything you need as a Belgian, as well as what papers your future spouse will need to get married.
    But since you are getting married in Thailand, you must go to the town hall where you want to get married and ask there what documents you will need.
    To go to Belgium with your wife, you must apply for a visa at the Belgian embassy, ​​if for a short period of time tourist visa, but if you plan to live in Belgium, family reunion visas, consult the site for this because there are reasonable which requires documents, and your income must be at least 1307 euros as you must be able to support her. That income may be wages (work, health insurance, stamp money). If you have stamp money, you must prove that you are actively looking for work!!! But that income may also include rents that you receive.
    A Dutch exam is not required, but if she wants to obtain Belgian nationality later (after 5 years), this is a requirement. I came to Belgium with my wife 2 months ago, so that information is quite recent.

    Hopefully I've helped you a bit.

  2. Bruno says up

    Dear Guy,

    This is not necessary for Belgium, but it is necessary for the Netherlands. To come to Belgium, she does not have to take an exam at the embassy in Bangkok, but for the Netherlands she does.

    After she has arrived in Belgium you will receive a message from the integration service for an integration course (or you can take her there yourself, as we did, go to http://www.inburgering.be for addresses) and then she can take a Dutch course after her mandatory 2-3 week integration course. If I remember correctly, Dutch 1.1 and 1.2 levels are compulsory. They can help you very well with integration services. My Thai wife and I have had very good experiences with Integration at Ladeuzeplein in Leuven.

    Just as important, if not much more important, is your preparation for a marriage of convenience investigation. Make sure you have all the chat logs, all the photos, all the joint hotel bills, anything you can imagine that could prove that you are a “real” couple, and that you have visited each other 3 times over a period of 45 days, and that so it is not just about getting a residence permit. Save this in a digital file on your computer and make backups 🙂 In our case, we have everything ready here on 3 DVDs in case the need arises.

    After you get married in Thailand, you can apply for a family reunification visa at the embassy. Don't be fooled: the embassy told us that it would only take a month before the Immigration Department (for Dutch readers: that is the IND for you) would approve the family reunification visa. That is a lie: DVZ has 6 months for this and 4-5 months appears to be a common period. In the meantime, everything in the direction of a marriage of convenience is being investigated and your wife may (but is not certain) be invited to the embassy to answer a number of questions in writing about your relationship. If you have a serious relationship, this is nothing to worry about, the answers will come naturally and it will be done in half an hour. But again, keep all photos, chat logs, Skype calls, emails, etc. in a digital file.

    Here is another useful address: forum self-help group family reunification: google this with the following search term: “family reunification xooit”. It is the first result.

    All information about family reunification visas:
    https://dofi.ibz.be/sites/dvzoe/NL/Gidsvandeprocedures/Pages/Gezinshereniging/De_Gezinshereniging.aspx

    Check the status of the visa application:
    https://dofi.ibz.be/sites/dvzoe/NL/Pages/Hoezithetmetmijnvisumaanvraag.aspx

    I wish you all the best of luck together and hope you don't have to wait too long for her visa to come here!

    Best regards,

    Bruno

  3. GUSTAFF says up

    Dear Guy,
    in my opinion you will have to swim through a lot of waters. And I speak of experience. I married a Thai in Thailand on September 8, 2011. All necessary papers were in order and nothing indicated that the nightmare would begin. The Belgian Embassy in Bangkok refused to help me in my native language DUTCH. According to the Embassy, ​​everything was in order and my wife would therefore receive a visa to travel to Belgium to live there with me. But that's all just appearances. It is they who transfer everything to the foreign affairs department in Brussels. Out of 9 cases out of 10, they make it appear that they are behind you. And then suddenly you are only addressed in French. You cannot contact that service by telephone either, because they simply close the phone. And then suddenly you are accused of marriage of convenience and so-called forgery. Pay very close attention, here in Belgium there is no body that can and will help you further. They make your life so miserable and refuse any help. You are dependent on a lawyer and that of course costs a lot of money. I speak from experience and have been looking for a suitable solution for 3 years. But you face these problems on a daily basis. You will undoubtedly bite the sour apple very often.
    With best regards
    GUSTAFF

    • Bruno says up

      Hm, personally I received very friendly help at the municipality where I live. I have had several telephone and personal contacts with 2 contact persons at the municipality about my file, in the period February 2013 - present. I really had no complaints about that. The same goes for integration services. Cheers 🙂

      However, what I am not happy with at all, and where I can agree with Gustaaf, is the attitude of the Belgian embassy in Bangkok. We were treated very unfriendly there. We once had a situation where we didn't hear the mobile phone when they called us for our affidavit to get married, and we were spoken to very bluntly. Furthermore, there was the explicit LIE of “it only takes a month for a family reunification visa, sir”. DVZ came to tell me something else afterwards: 6 months maximum. Ultimately, my wife's visa was approved after 5 months, but you should really distrust the Belgian embassy in Bangkok. Complaining to foreign affairs, which includes embassies, does not help because they do nothing. I still have the emails regarding this in my possession.

      Perhaps there are politicians who will read this and want to take action. Ultimately, the salaries of embassy employees are paid from the sky-high taxes that we cough up here. But if we as hardworking citizens decide to leave this country behind us and emigrate, and therefore no longer pay taxes here, who will have a problem sooner or later? Sorry, I still get angry when I think about the rude attitude of the Belgian embassy.

      Gentlemen politicians, please take action. Clean up that crap at the embassies.

  4. Harry Balemans says up

    We , married 26 Jan. 2012, first arranged all the necessary papers for a legal marriage in Thailand, with the necessary translations, etc., we received permission from Belgium to marry, regarding this we let the company that had arranged everything for us so far do the necessary for a visa to visit Belgium !!! plane ticket, hospitalization, etc... envelope fell in the mail and we, the newly married couple saw "Refused" !!!! they did let us get married but a few days later I suspected us of lies ... this was our second rejection already had a refused request for us to get married , I all went to Belgium , got our Belgian marriage book and marriage certificate at the town hall . Next application a few months later believe it or not We were allowed, although nothing had changed in our situation !!! Everything fulfilled and the necessary visits and parties together before the end date back in Thailand ... Now we could safely plan everything for the future because now the bullet was through the church !!! Next application a year later, after the appointment also briefly to BKK, which means two days for us waiting for THE envelope again, what could happen to us, indeed ” Refused !!!! ” some empty suspicions , too many motivations and photos such as our house in Buri Ram and photos with my mother and family , Yes, but Mr. everyone can take such photos , that is some kind of fun who wants to show his power in Brussels but me as a born and raised Belgian … went to school, worked for 38 years in the army, sidetracked due to illness, my first wife passed away after 40 years of marriage, etc…. Thai people work at the Embassy who can perfectly check what the property deeds mean or are real, a note with ok for the Belgians … no that seems too difficult … five applications four refused I have given up hope and now I am going in May enough to visit Belgium alone again, the proud owner of a Belgian marriage certificate but my wife is not allowed to come along !!! Know here in the same village a Belgian who is still divorcing his previous wife in Belgium but who has already been allowed to take his girlfriend to Belgium twice, He shows with a form signed by his almost previous wife that they are divorcing !! ! He does the paperwork through an office in Pataya…

    • patrick says up

      There are indeed offices in Pataya that have an advantage at the Belgian embassy. I'll stick to the fact that it's the beautiful eyes of their representative that have to do it. Those agencies come in with a package of files and are out again in no time with a smile behind their ears. My partner was added as a friend on Facebook by such an agency and contacts were made. My darling thought she happened to find a good friend who could help us after the first refusal of her visa application. The new girlfriend asked for my details and I received an email. So it turned out to be an office. They guaranteed a visa if we did business with them. I didn't trust the business and asked them to send me a sample contract, which they did. Indeed, they guarantee a visa if the refusal is not caused by the applicant for whatever reason… In principle, they limit themselves to collecting the documents, the list of which can be found on the website of the embassy and thus ensure that your file is complete. If you don't get a visa, it must be your answers during the interview or something. When I let them know that I would try it again myself because their guarantee was not really a guarantee, I received a swear email and they assured me that I would never be able to appeal to them and that without them I would never get a visa. Six weeks later the visa was a fact. But thanks to a tip from an international law lawyer.

  5. GUSTAFF says up

    Dear Bruno,
    Indeed Bruno, in my municipality I have also received very good help and cannot speak ill of it.
    And I stand by my opinion that the Belgian Embassy in Bangkok is at the root of my agony.
    Moreover, I am not an isolated case because the same stories come up in my circle of friends. And it is indeed the case that no “ONE” politician is involved in the course of events. Just like you Bruno, I am very angry and you just stand with your back against the wall. Your story is simply not listened to and no help is offered from any side. The only help you get is to hire a lawyer who also costs a lot of money. And there is “NO” guarantee of success. I feel today and empty milked cow? As for the gentlemen politicians, they muddle away and you don't even get a chance to have a personal conversation. To them we are just scum and supposedly marginal. I understand very well that there is a check on marriages of convenience, but then the law counts for everyone. And that does not happen here in Belgium. I don't want to give a living to those who come to our country every day where there is no control and where there is no control. And people with honest and trustworthy intentions are victims of this.

    With best regards
    GUSTAFF

  6. Paul Vercammen says up

    Dear Guy, if you have all the papers in order and once you are married, you will indeed only have to be patient for 5 to 6 months after your application for family reunification. The most frustrating thing is that you receive no information during this period. We have been married for a year now and my wife has been living with me in Herentals for about 7 months and her child has also been living for 2 months. As for the embassy, ​​they are indeed not overflowing with friendliness, but I think they do their job correctly. The rest (visas) is not decided by them but here in Belgium (they are only a conduit). The most important thing is that you prepare everything well and that all the papers are in order. Over there we hired a company for the wedding, which cost +/- 30.0000 baths, but they took care of transport, translations, etc.... It comes at a price, but it saves you a lot of time. I would do the visa application myself. I recommend that you find someone who has already swam through this water and can help you on your way. I don't know where you are from, otherwise I would like to help you find your way. (I think you can get my email address via the forum??) Good luck with it and if things go wrong, DO NOT give up.

    • Rob V says up

      Dear Paul, the question is of course whether the embassy in BKK is a bit too fanatical about passing on or has no other choice due to instructions from Brussels. It would be interesting to know what the work instructions are from Foreign Affairs to the Belgian posts. According to the Visa Code, a visa (short stay) can be presented to the central authorities (in Brussels), in some cases this is mandatory, but this is not necessary if the embassy can make a decision itself. Now Belgium is known (notorious) for its bureaucracy so the question is which instructions to post. Here and there you hear that, for example, practically all 1st applications are sent to Brussels (when visiting friends/partner). Perhaps a Belgian could request the work instructions?

      As an example, in the Netherlands the instruction for embassies is as follows, I quote the first 3 paragraphs from the Foreign Affairs Business Implementation Handbook on this item:
      “When processing a visa application, in a number of cases you will have to submit the application to one of the national services: DCM/VV or the Visa Service. In some cases this is mandatory, in other cases the mission itself can decide whether submission is desirable. In addition, the Schengen partners must be consulted for a number of nationalities. Below you will find in which cases submission and consultation is mandatory or advisable.

      Submission must have a clear added value. Apart from the cases where submission is mandatory, submission is only useful if the national service in question is better able than the post to retrieve information that is relevant to the assessment of the application. This is the case, for example, when assessing sponsors in the Netherlands. In case of doubt, it is not useful to submit an application to the national service, unless it can be assumed that this service has the means to dispel that doubt.

      Note: Submission does not replace your own assessment. If you have good reasons to refuse an application, it does not have to be submitted. The postal service is always authorized to refuse, so also for applications that must be submitted.(…) ” /end of quote.

      By the way, I assume that Guy knows that marriage is not a requirement for immigration to Belgium, unmarried is possible even if one does set requirements for how long one maintains a relationship together. If you think a year of being together is a bit fast for a marriage, look at the alternatives.

  7. Bruno says up

    Dear Gustav,

    Two tips that I hope will help you:

    1. Explain your situation on the following website, this is a forum for family reunification:gezinhereniging.xooit.be - if you haven't already done so... I know from my own experience that the webmaster gives you very good advice.

    2. What you can also do is this: on http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_dagbladen you will find a list of a number of newspapers. Go talk to journalists, a few years ago (2007 if I remember correctly) a cesspool of certain power-hungry officials was opened in this same way in this same context. Does that seem far-fetched to you? If you don't try, you don't know what you'll achieve :). I will not deny that I toyed with this idea when it turned out that we had to wait longer than expected for my wife's visa and I would have done it even if it had been refused or if the deadline had been exceeded.

    For the rest, it is best to follow Paul's advice above: don't give up! If you have a proper relationship and the love is real then you have nothing to be ashamed of and you should keep fighting.

    Strength!

    Greetings,

    Bruno

  8. bernard says up

    I solved it differently. Married to a Thai woman, I first lived in Thailand for a year. Married in Thailand and have the marriage legalized at the municipality in Belgium. My wife had a visa C, valid for 1 year, but could only come to Belgium 2x 90 days (with 90 days in between). We applied for family reunification during our first stay at the municipality. The term is indeed 6 months, but the municipality automatically extends the period by 3 months upon application. During the second period of 3 months, your wife may not leave Belgium. The Immigration Office indeed waits the full 6 months to answer (issue of showing their power ?) but, after the authorization or, in the absence of an answer, automatically, your wife will receive the model F card, valid for 5 years. For the application at the municipality, you must present proof of registration with the health insurance fund, proof of income and the police will come and view the house (as for every Belgian, by the way). Since October 2014 my wife has owned that card Mod F; integration is compulsory if she wants to become Belgian after those 5 years. In April she will now follow the Dutch course here in Geel. You can find an explanation of the procedure on the website of the Immigration Office. If further explanation is desired, I can be reached via the forum. I gave Paul all the information above and as you can read it worked for him without any problems.

    • patrick says up

      It is good to finally read a positive note. Unfortunately, not everyone who wants to get married is unable to live in Thailand for a year because they are still working or something. Wonder if there is a solution for this, because I'm in that boat. We want to get married under Belgian law and must therefore apply for a visa with a view to marriage. But I was already told that if you marry in Belgium and your wife travels back to Thailand, it will be very difficult for her to enter Belgium again. In any case, it would no longer work with a tourist visa because she is married and then people are afraid that she no longer wants to leave Belgium. Doesn't seem logical to me, but there are so many illogical things in this matter. For example, they do not think it is logical that you marry someone who then goes back to her country, while it is normal that a Belgian marine goes back on board perfectly after his marriage for several months and when he returns with harmony and drum band is festively welcomed back by his wife who sat alone for so long.

  9. Gerard Van Heyste says up

    We got married here in Thailand 5 years ago and everything went very smoothly, the ambassador even spoke good Dutch (is a French speaker!) when recognizing our child with the necessary congratulations! We had a smooth transaction, the day after the application for We already had an answer for a visa and were allowed to pick it up for three months in Belgium. I must add that we had a child who was also Belgian. has a passport. So nothing to complain about for us, on the contrary? Our friends are also positive about the Belgian. embassy!
    Perhaps there was doubt in your case?

    • Bruno says up

      In our case, they had no reason to doubt and certainly no reason to lie, especially when I spontaneously forwarded a thorough evidence file to the Immigration Department. Less than 2 weeks later, the file was approved.

      Perhaps there has been a change of personnel at the Belgian embassy in Bangkok in the meantime 🙂 ? I have heard that staff at some embassies "circulate" regularly.

      Or have they perhaps received instructions to make life difficult for family reunifiers with all kinds of investigations that are useless to the honest citizen, but cost a lot of money?

      Or maybe they are just overworked at the embassy there?

      The fact is that 5 years ago, in 2010, there was already legislation against marriages of convenience, but today they have become much stricter. Stricter legislation came into effect around October 2012. My wife did not understand it at first when I explained to her what they meant by a marriage of convenience. When I told her “this is our file to prepare for investigation in fake marriage” I had to explain to her what I meant and she couldn't understand it, even though she is very intelligent. “You don't marry for fake, what's that supposed to mean?” was one of her responses. By the way, we met through a serious marriage agency in Bangkok and when I told them there, they didn't know where to find it.

      I am really satisfied Gerard, for you and your wife, that things went well, but I cannot say that I read much positive about the Belgian embassy in Bangkok otherwise... It is honestly the first time that this has happened here and I still follow the articles on Thailandblog for about 2 years now 🙂 This is the “Place to be” of course if you want to get to know Thailand before you go there!

      By the way, kudos to the editors: every day you learn something new here 🙂

  10. GUSTAFF says up

    Dear Gerard,

    At the very first morning at the Belgian Embassy Bangkok where we were the first, the ambassador was also very friendly to us. He also congratulated us on the marriage we wanted to enter into. But that's where it ends!! Later it was said in the corridors that the Embassy did not have a good reputation and that the Ambassador also left wishes. 4 days later I encountered a very remarkable fact? A man from Brussels had his international passport (red) stolen and came to report it. That man was helped further by a lady behind the counter in the "VLOT DUTCH". Then it was my turn and sign up in my native language “DUTCH”! And from that same lady I suddenly heard “I CAN NOT SPEAK DUTCH”??? She spoke Dutch fluently 2 minutes before. What should I think about this then?? My wife's mother tongue is Thai and she was also subjected to some kind of interview in English and Thai? She also more or less tries to express herself in English . But apparently not enough because it later turned out that she had not succeeded in that interview.
    I had to agree with the people who walked around in the corridors and told their story about the Embassy. The staff on site is blunt, just like the staff of the foreign affairs department in Brussels.
    With best regards
    GUSTAFF

  11. Paul Vercammen says up

    Dear Rob,
    They told me that their instructions had changed in October 2014 and that indeed everything regarding family reunification is decided in Brussels. in Belgium there is someone living near Tienen who makes it his hobby to follow up on this matter. But if your papers from your wife and from your side are in order, it is only a matter of time. For example, my wife had already been to Belgium twice and I had been to Thailand about 2 times before we got married (in +/- 6 months), so that was no problem, but an acquaintance of mine had only been to Thailand twice and his wife had never been to Belgium. in 18 year, no problem, so that is not a criteria, but I think the necessary documents are required. Greetings Paul

  12. john says up

    For the Netherlands a Dutch test at the embassy, ​​this is not necessary for Belgium!
    An integration course mandatory for Flemish people! Walloons exempt! Every Belgian is equal before the law...

  13. Harry Balemans says up

    After reading all the messages after the first one I sent, I can say that for us the first and second requests were denied, the third was approved, the fourth and fifth were denied again!!! had been to Thailand around thirteen times, my wife showed deeds of 20 rai of agricultural land, plus 1 rai with construction of a house, blue booklet of occupancy of this address, etc... everything completed down to the last detail with the necessary motivations and photos (Belgium says have documents translated and you can take the photos shown anywhere, why did nothing have to be translated with the third approved application???) fourth and fifth application, Belgium says that my wife has insufficient reason to return to Thailand!!! By the way, after the first request, reason!!! why does a Thai woman leave her son and adopted daughter alone in Thailand and then go with a much older person (apparently I was the first older farang to go with a younger Thai woman!!!) in the second application her children apparently already exist not anymore ???? and I'm not older anymore!!! In the previous building of the Embassy I asked the question that if the Embassy sends an email, you should think carefully before you print that email because of nature!!! I then asked how the elevator worked there because they sent us to the basement for a copy of the 17 floor, in the new building I also let them know that they were improving, they are now one floor lower!!!! Randomness that's all, second application was also with a specialized company for marriage and visa, marriage concluded visa was refused... e. email may be requested...


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