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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Thai neighbor wants to borrow money from me, to do or not to do?
Dear readers,
I have a Thai neighbor (sells everything and has a shop) she now wants to borrow 40.000 baht from me at 3% per month. That's more than I get at the bank.
I think the interest she wants to pay is quite high.
Who has experience with it?
Yours faithfully,
Roy
Roy, don't do it yourself. Let a Thai do that. I wonder if you can lend and if you will be looked at later on that idiotic interest.
Don't want to lend you, and I read that a bit, keep her at a distance: 'that is a lot, I have to think about that, I also have a family, I have family in .. country, I have to save for car-roof-doctor' etc.
If you lend, the fanfare goes around and they think there is always something to get from you. However well that lady may mean it: keep your distance.
In any case, do not let your decision be guided by the proposed interest, but by the likelihood of repayment of the principal.
says.almost always.
Living on a budget, what if I don't get it on time?
What can I do, no one can help me.
So don't lend it out.
HvM
Lending money? Why? You are not a bank. My wife and I don't give anyone money. A bank wants security. If she can't get it there, you certainly won't get that certainty. I see in my environment what this can lead to misery, even to murder. I wouldn't do it at all.
If I am not mistaken, you are breaking the law if you – as a foreigner – lend money to a Thai.
So a risky business.
Apart from the risk that you will not get your money back.
Your neighbor has no money now and next month either.
Apart from that, I would be ashamed to want to receive 3 percent interest per month.
Indeed. No one in this country is allowed to play for the bank except the bank itself, not one, not a foreigner. That it happens a lot is legally not that interesting. If one wants to harm (or if someone else becomes jealous) you are screwed, or screwed.
The interest of 3% per month is normal and you just get the first 3 to 4 months after that you get nothing more than you lose everything else and never otherwise
Kind regards, Harry
If you want to lend financially wisely, you ask for collateral that is worth at least as much as the amount to be borrowed. Then you cannot lose anything financially. Socially possible, if the debtor no longer wants or dares to face you. Socially speaking, you can of course also grant credit without collateral and hope for the best, if you are unlucky everything is gone, but then you should not blame anyone but yourself. In practice, I think that is the end of the friendship because people probably feel screwed anyway.
To reliable Thai people (yes, there are) my wife and I GIVE money (if we see the point, so not to people who gamble or drown their money) but never large amounts. We then tell them that they can pay it back if you are able to do so. And in many cases we get it back too. No interest.
For a mutual loan, 3% is still modest. The main "money lender" in this village asks 10% per month and there are plenty who do that because the water is up to their lips. There are several lenders in this village with the least you pay 5% interest per month, so 3% is still low for this kind of transaction. Even family members ask for another 5%, deeply sad.
I have lent money to various people here, from 300 baht to the highest amount of 100.000 baht and I always got my money back. Eg after the rice harvest or when the bonus is paid. I also sometimes lend money to a few really poor slobs in the area and they can pay it back with odd jobs, then I charge 100 baht per hour.
Your main motivation should be whether you really want to help that neighbor and whether you can spare that money if she can't pay back. I wouldn't ask for 3% interest, that doesn't really help but make money.
Hello Roy certainly don't lend money one thing leads to another and they want more and more.
And they don't pay, they have an excuse every time
If you can spare it give her something but tell her you are not an ATM
And judging by your name, I don't think you're that old yet
So watch out be good to yourself and the Family
Gr The ATM
I don't know your neighbour, but it seems rather strange to me. Why is she specifically asking you, or is she also busy with others?
Would not do it and kindly explain to her that as a farang you are not allowed to lend money with interest to a Thai.
If you are already planning to do it (have your wife do it???) ask if they have as collateral the title deeds of something worth the amount. A few years ago two girls (young women) wanted to borrow money from my wife, she asked for the ownership papers of the moped as collateral. They went (with no money) and we haven't seen them since.
Probably because they didn't have those papers - the vehicle will not have been paid off yet...
The question of whether you should lend money to a neighbor is actually just as difficult to answer as that you politely explain to your neighbor that you would rather not do so.
Even with the high-interest agreement, it does not give you any certainty that you will actually receive the 3% interest p/m and the repayment of the principal sum of 40.000 Baht.
If this neighbor cannot fulfill what has been agreed, she will automatically avoid you to avoid further confrontation.
My wife loaned a Niece of hers a few years ago a mere sum of 5000 Baht, which she agreed to pay back after 12 months without interest.
When my wife still hadn't got the borrowed money back after 2 years, she carefully asked why the niece had remained in default here.
The result of her question was a fierce indignation how she, as a woman married to a wealthy Farang, could be so impudent as to still ask for this money.
Although I had nothing to do with this loan myself, and my wife actually had every right to inquire of this Cousin, this Cousin is now suddenly playing the offended, ignoring both of us when she sees us.
We have become very careful with loans, and prefer to avoid any request, but it is up to you.
That's exactly how I know it. My wife is a good soul and she lent a little money to her sister and once her niece. Then after a while when she wanted the money back, with both the same reaction, they got angry and tried to intimidate her. I hated that. So did she and since then… never again.
She, of course, ignores it. Do you have any idea how much face loss this has caused her? She falls short, and you rub it in.
An impossible situation for a Thai. Avoidance is the only answer.
Lend it to her officially with an agreement. But consider it a gift to yourself. Then you won't have any problems yourself. Can't you consider it a gift? Then just don't go into it.
We never lend money. Lending money disrupts relationships. If you say no, is it unpleasant for the other person. If you say yes, it will become unpleasant for you if you cannot/will not be reimbursed, or if you ask for more later. If you want to help/support someone, donate a modest amount after explaining what the money is for. Don't be disappointed if a different spending is nevertheless chosen.
I have often lent money to Thai people.
Now 6x. Only 2x have I received the amount back. 4x I could whistle for my money. Was not about really high amounts 2000-4000 baht. So my conclusion from my own experience, don't do it. Certainly not because it's your neighbor. If she doesn't pay back, you still have to live next to her. Just think about that. Asking interest 36% on an annual basis is ridiculously much. And also not allowed as a foreigner.
You're not a loanshark, are you? You borrow money to help others. Then I don't think it's fair if you charge interest on that. In addition, 40000 baht is a lot of money and you take a big risk. So see for yourself what you're doing.
Do not. if she doesn't have money now, she probably won't have money to pay you back.
Don't do it in the beginning she will pay but then she will invent all sorts of things and you will have lost your money plus your neighbor will tell her that you have a lot of expenses then you will remain friends
I know people who lend money at a hefty interest rate, more than 3%, they ask for their bank card and code as a pledge and empty the borrower's rejening every month. The lender takes his share and gives the rest to the borrower.
This way he is always the first to receive his monthly repayment.
Simple answers you are mister Bangkok bank not then but no jai dee, you will never lose the stigma of a farang kee nok anyway
To borrow means to give in Thailand, and trouble follows.
Hi Roy, two words DO NOT. Have had experience with it myself and what a misery. They're on their knees begging and once you've given it, the misery begins. You will get some for the first two months and after that they will run out of money and then you will have to ask for your own money every time. I don't lend anything to anyone anymore.
May I be so bold as to advise you not to do that.
If you are willing to support someone by making a donation then ok, you do that with your heart and the stocking is done.
But borrowing, and especially being offered a (high) interest for it, is always suspicious in this country.
Thais make it quite easy to want to borrow money, but… and believe me, you will never see that money (let alone the interest) again. Their hundreds of excuses are already in the back of their mind from before you give them the money only to keep putting it off and finally let it fade out endlessly with nothing to see.
A Thai will never think in advance whether he can repay the borrowed money, that does not occur to him (or her) at all.
And certainly if the money comes from a farang, they have too much money….
Never start. Please put it out of your mind as soon as possible. Then I will sleep better tonight. I only see disadvantages and no advantages. You don't see your money back and you're the pariah of that neighborhood in the bargain. Finally, more people come to borrow money. Keep the money in your bank. You can be happy if it turns out to be there the next day.
Better to say that you are a bit tight yourself and can't lend anything now, that's what banks are for!!
Borrowing is giving in many cases and ask yourself why do they have to borrow?
The corona crisis has left millions unemployed and many others have seen their incomes drastically reduced. The result is that many are unable to meet their loans (consumer, mortgage, etc.). This is a worldwide phenomenon. In Europe, banks are obliged to create buffers because many are no longer able to repay their loans. Without sufficient buffers, the banks will also get into trouble and you will have a banking crisis in addition to a health and economic crisis. If you are going to lend this lady money, the whole village will be at your door next week and the whole of Isaan in 2 weeks. Just about everyone is in financial distress!
I thought the official percentage per year at which you can give a loan is 17% anything you ask for more would be seen as a criminal offense especially as a foreigner so I would be very careful but they might has already taken a loan elsewhere, of 10 or 15% and then that 3% is quite a relief for her, but I would not break the law, let your wife do it do you really want to help her and then do it for that 17% on an annual basis and put everything on paper.
100.000 lent to my wife's daughter, for this amount she could lease a parking space for 2 years, her proposal was to pay back 15.000 baht per month, could easily park 30 baht p / day for more than 100 cars, great deal, no interest. Now a year later I have not seen a penny I can choose whether to keep my mouth shut about the money or she will leave………….I have chosen the latter.So next week we will make everything in order at the municipality.
Very short: DON'T. Say you're not a bank.
I never lend money. I don't understand that. My mother-in-law does lend money but only to people she really knows.
Experienced someone from another spell coming by to borrow money. There was a farang dar and he had enough money.
Mother-in-law has politely but urgently requested never to set foot on our property again.
Dear Roy,
It is tempting to lend your neighbor money. After all, she is such a nice person, she is trying so hard and life has become a torment for many due to the Corona pandemic.
It is also very sad/sad not to lend her the money. He is such a nice person, etc. etc.
Since the outbreak of the pandemic, I have spoken to many who no longer know how to pay their bills. Who don't know how to get a job and earn money. Every day I speak to someone who, together with friends and relatives, is treading water to keep their heads above water. It always amazes me how they seem to do that. (????) And keep it relatively laconic.
My approach is relatively simple:
1. I don't lend money to anyone
2. If I know of someone (that I know) that he/she is having a hard time, I will buy/rent something from them so that they generate income.
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3. I give the money, knowing that paying back is an almost impossible task for them. And it often takes a REALLY long time before they are able to do that. In doing so, they usually fill one hole with another, so that borrowing only exacerbates the problem.
Once out of your wallet, forget about the money and see it as your good deed for the day.
Finally: 40.000 THB is a LOT of money for them. At the current exchange rate for us less than € 1.100
But it's still a lot of money. Your wallet determines the amount.
Good luck with your decision making after ALL the good/well-intentioned advice.
Glenno
Roy,
I disagree with most of the comments. I don't think you should just say 'no'. Ask why she wants to borrow that money. Is her father sick? Does she want to expand the store? Is it for her children's education? Is it for paying off a gambling debt?
How is her past dealing with money? Is she known for being reliable? And maybe you can think of more questions.
Only then can you decide. Maybe a smaller loan? Or a gift?
Try gathering more facts first.
I read here a number of times from reactions that a foreigner is not allowed to lend money to a Thai, but where does that say. And what about when a Thai son-in-law borrows money from you, is that allowed?
I myself never lend money to others, with the exception of my Thai stepson and daughter, who pay it back properly and of whom I know for sure where it will be tendered.
Jan Beute
The regular rate for the creative market is 10 percent. Your neighbor knows that very well.
I've had my lesson too. A Thai couple, who was advised to me by a Thai friend during a court case, turned out to have advised me in such a way where they received an advantage (commission). And the advice turned out to be wrong. The wife of the couple, in tears, came to ask me for a loan, when I still trusted them. Her best friend had been tricked into buying and financing a motorbike and was now in prison. She now had to take care of her friend's 2 children. A few months later she again had to pay me money because her son had impregnated a girl from a good family. And that too was another personal drama for her. When the time to pay back came, she again asked for a loan because the Russian mafia had her in their grip. I had learned my lesson. She is now completely out of sight, gone, without a trace. The Thai lady in question had a drinking problem, which could not be overcome. Sad.
It is so impossible to say about this, after all:
– what does she want to do with that money?
– do you believe that declared goal?
– is that a sensible goal?
– what if she can't borrow that money from you?
– can and do you want to borrow that amount or part of it?
– is it possible to discuss the interest and payment term?
– Do you want to earn some money? How much or how little?
– how plausible and reasonable are the periodic payments and installments?
– does she have collateral (no: big risk for you, yes then potentially big consequences for her if she pays back)
– if she doesn't pay you back in full or at all, what then? How do you deal with that, and she?
– if she does pay everything back, what then? Probably everyone happy.
– can and do you want to give her part of the amount?
– no matter how it turns out how can that improve or worsen your relationship as neighbors?
- ...
In short: after some thought, what risks do you want to run (socially and financially)? Only you can estimate that and you may be underestimating or overestimating the outcome…
These are just the first questions that come to mind, they may not all be answerable or that takes too much time. Then you have to go partly on your gut feeling. What do you think makes you happy? Do that.