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Home » Reader question » Reader question: From Thailand to the Netherlands and back, do I have to report?
Dear readers,
I have been living in Thailand for several years now and soon I wanted to return to the Netherlands. When I return I want to meet some acquaintances in Bangkok and, after an overnight stay in a hotel, travel through Thailand with them for two weeks.
My question: if I return to my home address in Thailand, do I have to report this somewhere, such as the local police station or immigration?
Regards,
Rob
The homeowner must report it with a TM30 form if a foreigner stays overnight with him. If you are the homeowner, you must report it yourself. Otherwise it is the responsibility of the landlord. However, some immigration offices seem to address the outside loader if that has not happened. Other offices never ask about it. If you are not the homeowner and you want to be sure that the report is made, you should therefore insist with your landlord (and perhaps bring such a form for him)
Yes Rob at Immigration, that is mandatory for everyone without exception.
Greetings Cor
The first reports are made by the hotels where you stay. According to the rules, upon arrival in your place of residence, you must report to immigration within 24 hours using a TM30 form. If no immigration office nearby then at the police station. But not every immigration office requires this, so check if this is necessary. There are immigration offices that even require you to report every time, even if you are staying somewhere else for just one day. The reason must be that a hotel or wherever you stay will sign you in, not sign out.
Rob, if you come back to Thailand from the Netherlands, you can report to the immigration service. In that case, the 90-day obligation to report will run again from that time.
As a Dutch citizen, you do not have to report anywhere in the Netherlands.
Remember that you must apply for a re-entry permit. You can do this at your immigration service or at the airport before you leave for the Netherlands. This costs 1000 baht.
To avoid misunderstandings.
Your 90 days start again from day 1 when you arrive in Thailand (by land, air or sea) and from the moment you obtain the “Arrival” stamp. (That is also immigration of course)
It's a mistake to think that you only start walking 90 days after you stop by your local immigration office.
The only reason to possibly go to your immigration office on your return is if you are responsible for a TM30 report.
Otherwise it is not necessary for anything and certainly not to start a 90 day period.
Whether you report or not: that 90-day period starts as soon as you pass Immigration at the airport.
That may well be, but I don't get the note with the date when you have to reappear at the airport, but from my local immigration office. And I think it's oh so wise to get that.
I would have received it, would have been stupid, because I had written in my agenda (outlook) that I had to stamp at the end of May. Well, not good. It would have been if I hadn't interrupted the normal 90 day cycle. But because I had to go to the Netherlands in January, the "normal" report failed and the next one was one month earlier.
This resulted in a fine of 2000 Baht (3 weeks overdue).
If I had looked more closely at the note and less in my computer, I would have saved that money.
When entering Thailand, the 90-day period always starts again from 1.
Everything that preceded has expired.
So you don't have to have any paper at all or show it when you report your first 90 days again (90 days after a last collection).
It's that simple and that's how it is everywhere. Also in your immigration office.
Just calculated.
I can manage with your info and without a note from immigration.
If you were in the Netherlands in January, that means you were in Thailand in February-March-April.
Somewhere at the beginning of May, your 90 days had passed and you had to have made that report.
If you only made that report at the end of May, it is true that you were about 3 weeks late.
The error therefore lies entirely with you and the fine was therefore justified.
Counting correctly also saves money.
Correction. Read.
Somewhere at the end of April, beginning of May (depending on your return to Thailand) your 90 days were up and … etc
Precisely. Immigration had done everything correctly. I was wrong. But as I wrote, if I had looked at that note instead of my computer I would have been on time. In addition, I have to apply for a new annual visa at the end of May, so now. So that had to be done at the end of May, beginning of June. This time on time! But this aside.
I understand, you can do without that note and your original stamping day will change to three months after arrival. The note does have the advantage that you have a reminder for yourself and proof that you are on time… I do it because it is also easy to go to the immigration office in Hua Hin.
Well, everyone counts wrong or misses sometimes.
I also hear Jack.
And if someone would like a reminder in the form of proof of immigration, then of course there is nothing wrong with that.
What I especially want to point out is that it does not go the other way and I often see that. That something that was done or supplied voluntarily by someone suddenly starts to lead a life of “you have to do that”.
People often do something (whatever it may be in immigration) because they think it should be done. They are not sure and then go into "overkill" ie they will do or deliver more things than Immigration asks.
Immigration usually doesn't say anything about that. As long as what they ask for is delivered or done, it is good for them. The rest of the “overkill” doesn't really interest them.
It only gets worse when people, because immigration has not reacted to their “overkill”, start to think that everything they have provided must be as it should be. And then you get the misunderstandings.
Because then they will say “you have to do that” and which is actually not true.
Others also pick up on that, they then give their own version of it and the misunderstandings are all over the world…
And so it is with many things in immigration.
Immigration makes its own rules locally, certainly..., but the "farang" also invents its own rules... that's for sure.
Nice WE.
??? Normally you are or should you be registered at the immigration office in your municipality?
When you leave Thailand you get a stamp in your passport. If you have a multiple entry you come back and just report back to the immigration office.
I'm just reported in Jomtien. soi 5.
When I leave Thailand I don't do anything when I come back, just drop by the office, report, register and that's it. Oh best time is just before 13pm. When people come back from lunch it's your turn soon.
Every province has such an office. I am also reported in Uttaradit but that is actually superfluous. I only arrange visa extensions there.
the system is simple in principle. If you are away from your last home address in Thailand for a night, you must report again when you stay somewhere in Thailand again. If you are staying in a hotel, this notification will be made by the hotel. It's a bit more complicated, but that's the principle.
In your specific case it works as follows. As soon as you arrive in Thailand you must report within 24 hours. Because you stay in hotels for two nights, this is done by the hotel, as I indicated above. If you are going to travel, the same applies. You will be staying in hotels during your trip, so again the report will be made by the hotel. As soon as you leave the last hotel and go home (in Thailand) you must report to the local reporting point within 24 hours. That is Immigration I assume. Finally: this last report should in principle be made by the “master of the house”. Probably your Thai wife because I think the house is in her name. There is much more to write about, but it is best if you just read through some forums because there are all kinds of complications. But the above is the basic system.
I am always told in both Jomtien and Uttaradit to report only when I am out of the country. Otherwise it really isn't necessary. My address in Jomtien, and Uttaradit are either mine or my wife's home address. When I stay in Hua-Hin I don't report at all and also not in Bangkok. Keep going. Reporting in every city or province you travel through seems nonsense to me.
I also know that if I stay in some hotels it will not be reported.
There is a lot of ambiguity about it because each immigration office makes its own rule about its application.
Immigration law requires you to be reported, or report yourself (depending on whether you are a 'housemaster' or not) that you are staying back at your home address. Even if you have traveled within Thailand.
In practice, it depends on the local immigration office. (As with just about anything)
– Some expect a report to happen even if you spent the night outside the province.
– Some expect a report to be made, only if you come back from abroad.
– Some expect that a notification will only be made the first time you move to a new address. Afterwards it is no longer necessary, even if you have been abroad. Conditions are usually that you have an annual extension (you have to provide an address every year anyway) and that the 90-day notifications are sufficient for them.
– etc…. (there may be others)
You now have to see how they apply it at your immigration office.
That's always the best.
For your information.
I myself do the following in Bangkok.
When I travel within Thailand I do absolutely nothing.
When I return from abroad I (officially my wife) send a standard TM30 form.
I do that by post so it doesn't bother me. After about a week I get the slip back.
Before you leave for the Netherlands, apply for a re-entry permit at Immigration, and when you return from the Netherlands, just as Sjaak already describes this, report again to Immigration, so that the 90-day notification obligation continues.
The first 14 days that you stay in a hotel, this is automatically reported by the hotel or boarding house owner, and you do not have to report anything yourself.
Only upon returning home, the homeowner (in your case maybe husband) is obliged to report this to Immigration within 30 hours by means of a TM24 form.
If the Immigration is too far away, this report may also be made to the local Police according to the TM30 form.
Below is a link to download the TM30 form.
http://udon-news.com/sites/default/files/files/downloads/tm30.pdf
No, incorrect about the 90 days.
You don't have to report at all when you return to immigration because that will continue for 90 days.
It expires automatically when you leave Thailand and starts counting back from day 1 when you receive the “Arrival” stamp.
Because of the 90-day notification, you should not report to immigration upon your return. Only make your normal report again after 90 days.
Only the person responsible (you can be the owner, housemaster,..) may have to make a new TM30 report, but that in itself has nothing to do with a 90-day report.
A 90 day report must only be made after an uninterrupted stay of 90 days and is separate from that TM30 report
I heard from a friend who just returned from the Netherlands and is in possession of a retirement visa and re-entry permit, and who had neatly reported with TM 30 form at immigration in Jomtien (Pattaya) within 24 hours, that this was not the case. more was needed. He could suffice with the new 90 day notification. It can happen in Thailand.
Dear Jacques, regarding the TM 30 form there are many stories and uncertainties.
Even if you go to the local Police with the form, I've experienced it myself, it can happen that everyone shrugs their shoulders, because many officers have never heard of this rule.
While it is clearly stated on every TM30 form that you can also make this report to the local Police under certain circumstances.
In the village where we live, most Thais had never heard of this arrangement, so they gave advice with the most adventurous guesses at best.
As far as I know, and that's how I experienced it at the Immigration in Chiang Rai, the homeowner must report again after each time the Farang leaves the country, and the fact that one is married to the homeowner or a visa no role.
My question would be, how can a Thai government now require that a Farang should know all this, while the own officials of, for example, a local Police, who, given the text of the form, have to receive the report, still blow know.?
CAN YOU get (buy) a Re-Entry at the airport???
Can you buy at the airport.
At passport control there is a desk where you can request this before you go through passport control. Keep in mind that there may be waiting for you, but usually this goes smoothly.
Only the Single Re-entry is available at the airport and costs 1000 Baht.
If you go outside Thailand several times, it is possible to buy a Multiple Re-entry.
Then costs 3800 Baht but can only be obtained in an immigration office.
Get your re-entry in order before you leave, otherwise you can start all over again with applying for a visa when you come back!
For example, I was reported to Immigration Ubon Ratchathani.
Everything else has already been said. 90 days notice starts counting from the airport or by whatever route you enter Thailand and the homeowner must report your return within 24h, exceptionally longer when it falls on the Weekend and the offices are closed!
Officially live in Thailand. If I go on holiday outside the borders and come back and go back to my own home to continue my stay there, then I certainly do not have to report.
Notification is for all non-permanent residents in Thailand or those who do live in Thailand but spend their night elsewhere in hotels in Thailand.
This has been confirmed to me several times at immigration in Jomtien. And experience has shown, I fly in and out of Thailand practically every month, without any problems!
Same in Udon, no notification needed if you are registered there.
So first time is 90 days report.
I will give you the answer I received the day before yesterday at the immigration in Hua Hin. After returning from abroad and back to your home address, you must report this within 24 hours. The 90 days start on the date of this notification! I went there after my trip abroad and according to immigration I acted very correctly and correctly! I don't think I should have arrived with: but on thailandblog it is different!
Well, I think the immigration officer in question is wrong. It's just not right.
No. You don't have to refer to Thailandblog. Would be too much honor.
You can of course refer to the website of his big boss in Bangkok and that it is different there. He certainly knows that one.
Especially read the last sentence.
It states that the count starts when the foreigner re-enters. Not when he is going to report to his local immigration office (because what if one does not go directly to his home address. Do those days between arrival and reporting not count?)
But of course you do. I really don't lose sleep over that.
https://www.immigration.go.th/index
https://www.immigration.go.th/content/sv_90day
Footnotes
– The notification of staying in the Kingdom over 90 days is in no way equivalent to a visa extension.
– If a foreigner staying in the kingdom over 90 days without notifying the Immigration Bureau or notifying the Immigration Bureau later than the set period, a fine of 2,000.- Baht will be collected. If a foreigner who did not make the notification of staying over 90 days is arrested, he will be fined 4,000.- Baht.
– If a foreigner leaves the country and re-enters, the day count starts at 1 in every case.
Note:
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Maybe nice to know.
I have noticed that we are more and more referred to as “foreigner” in texts, where we used to be an “alien” 😉
That is why it is also wise to give sources, such as in Ronny's Thailand file and my Schengen file. No sensible person takes the comment 'I read that on a website!' seriously, but if you can refer to, for example, a legal text or other official reporting, then you have something in your hands. And secondly, rules and (work) instructions can change, so even then it is useful that you can go to the source yourself to check whether the 'simplified' instructions from one or another site or commenter are (still) correct.
Officials also make mistakes. I know that all too well from Dutch civil servants at the municipality, IND, BuZa, KMar, etc. Varying from citing outdated rules to having invented something themselves (misinterpretation). It will be no different for their Thai colleagues.