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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Have the date of birth corrected in Thailand
Dear readers,
Who has experience with having the date of birth corrected in Thailand?
My girlfriend is Thai from the Hua Hin area, her father only filed a tax return in 1971 when she was already 5 years old. This has practical consequences for the future, such as that 5 years later than others, she will be eligible for accrued state pension in the Netherlands or old-age allowance in Thailand.
We are going to live together in the Netherlands. This month she will get the residence permit at the embassy in Bangkok and she will come to the Netherlands for an indefinite period at the end of June.
Perhaps it is an unfeasible card to change the 'source', but once she has a BSN in the Netherlands and all registrations have been done here, I suspect that not much will change here.
Does anyone have experience with such a change with his girlfriend in Thailand, or is it possible or what is needed for that?
ps Her father is still alive so a witness statement is still possible.
Many thanks for your responses.
Regards,
Arnold
I'm afraid ONE witness is not enough. Since you only talk about her dad I think there is no statement or bill from a hospital.
My wife also has a difference between birth and declaration date, but not as long as your wife, and we'll leave it that way.
I've read a story like this somewhere. At least two witnesses who are still sane, and then all together to the competent authority in the province where the person concerned was born. The official procedure is probably very time-consuming and complicated, but as far as I remember, a good pot of tea could speed things up considerably.
So you could try that, if you have no moral objections to it.
But suppose that were successful, then the information on her passport no longer corresponds to what was provided for obtaining the residence permit, so you run the risk that they will say: Hoho, you must arrange a residence permit for this lady with the correct (new) date of birth, because now we are not convinced that this residence permit has been issued for this lady.
What can also not be completely ruled out is that nothing went wrong at 'the source' at the time, but that she herself once looked at a civil servant to become 5 years younger when obtaining a new ID, but I can't really think that bad.
Dear Arnold, the whole of life has its advantages and disadvantages, for example: when she is 40 years old, she will most likely receive a maximum of 2047% AOW in 50 (for the sake of convenience, continue the accrual years up to 65). If she were to enter at the age of 35, she would not receive her state pension until 2052, but now 60% of the standard amount that applies to her.
Except for this financial story: if she enters the Netherlands at the end of June and that for an indefinite period, then she is already known to the IND, registered with the municipal BRP at the end of July, therefore known to the Tax Authorities, as well as to your pension fund in due course and SVB. In short: it will be a difficult story.
It seems to me that if eea encounters such insurmountable obstacles that you should have taken action a long time ago at the amphur of her birthplace. You're smelling late.
It seems strange to me that nothing will be known to the authority where the birth was reported. That father comes in and says that his daughter was born and gives a date of birth, but does not say that this actually took place five years ago. He did this out of shame because he had left the report earlier. What was the reason for this to be concealed or not passed on? Or was an incorrect date entered during the registration, which was not noticed by father and therefore always remained that way. You could have an age test done to make sure how old your girlfriend is. It is certain that recovery can only take place in Thailand with as many witnesses as possible who declare that the person concerned was born on the date five years before. In the Netherlands they will not do anything without evidence from Thailand.
You will receive state pension based on the years that you have accrued it in the Netherlands.
Estimated state pension age for someone from 1-1-1971 is 69 years and 6 months. For someone 5 years younger, the estimate is 70 years and 0 months. The accrual is 2 percent per year. (source: SVB.nl)
For your girlfriend, who only starts accruing at the age of 45, this is a maximum of 25 years, 50%. For a 5 year younger this is 60%.
But she is not even in the Netherlands yet and is already worrying about a situation in 25 or 30 years. If she assumes the current age of 45, she will sooner receive state pension and possibly income support due to the low accrual (if that still exists). So that is an advantage not to change the age. If you start 5 years later, you accrue 10 percent more, but that will undoubtedly also reduce taxes and premiums and your income support, if necessary and then available, will also be reduced.
In Thailand there is a lot of “Kohok Ajoe”, which is different in terms of age. Frans Amsterdam is apparently also aware of this, see his last paragraph.
There are many Thais who have their first name (or even their last name) changed After marriage in the Netherlands, it cannot be changed. The administration of the population in the Netherlands is based on the birth certificate of the Thai woman. In the Netherlands, the date of birth cannot be changed.
I know a Thai woman who lives in the Netherlands and used to have her birth certificate changed to look five years younger. Now she is trying to reverse that in order to get a state pension earlier.
She's been working on it for a year and she's definitely not succeeding
The change of the date of birth will have to come from Thailand and that is outside Bangkok, according to my wife, so it can be arranged with a large pot of tea, otherwise it won't work, she says..
Well, my wife was also registered “too late” at birth….6 months because they waited until the harvest was done and went to the city.
And this is not especially a lie for any dishonest reason, I am sure if the blog readers inquired in their own family circle that many would be amazed about this.
What I like about the birth certificate in Thailand is = in the year of the dragon 2507 that is something different than with us March 7, 19 (fill it in) 😉
Pratana, what you say is correct. It is not always willful to commit fraud.
With my wife it was, and that's hard to pinpoint, sensitive, but I did hear something: born on the periphery of the country, miles from the amphur, mom too sick to travel, child too sick to travel, no money (certainly true) and dad constantly drunk (also true). Then after x months, the newborn is taken to the official, who asks for witnesses such as a hospital, doctor, midwife or three witnesses from the village, none of which are there, and then he registers the child on the day he sees it .
There are countries where children are born on January 1 by default. And registration takes place if it has to go to primary school.
But that used to be in NL too. Fortunately, people then had a strong need to have the child baptized in the Christian or Catholic churches, which was seen as more important than the municipal official, and there you had the proof.
But that is dying out now that Thailand is getting better organised.
Thank you for your responses, this is in line with my thoughts, and yes, we could have handled this better before we started with an MVV application. But people do things in an order that suits their priorities at the time. If it were to succeed, it does not seem without risk due to the deviations in data here and in her ID / Passport. It was already difficult enough to get an exemption for the civic integration exam abroad after several failed exams. So we are not going to jeopardize that and this is just one of the things in her backpack, mine is not empty either.
For those interested in her side of the story. She was born about 50 km outside Hua Hin home. Close to the mountains, where there was only a cart track back then, no public transport, but free elephants 😉 no own transport and fathers who had lost interest in mothers by now. He didn't go for a walk for 2 days. 5 years later in Hua Hin to the Amphoe, but apparently they wrote the day of the visit just as happily, even though she was already a big toddler. Reportedly, I wasn't there 😉
Nice to see so many responses here so quickly, in my circle of acquaintances there is not much knowledge of Thailand.
Kind regards, Arnold