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Reader question: Looking for an organization that can help me return to the Netherlands
Dear readers,
For the past five years I have had a lasting love relationship with a Thai woman and two children aged nine and ten.
Due to health reasons we have decided to migrate to the Netherlands. I have already visited the necessary websites including IND and Thailandblog to collect information. I already know a lot, but on the other hand the whole process is so complex that it is difficult for me to make a step-by-step plan and go through the process without errors.
Because of the complexity, I am looking for an organization that can offer support in this.
If anyone can direct me I would be very grateful.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Henk
It will largely depend on your income. I would ask a law firm for advice. Just google. Possibly in the area where you want to settle in the Netherlands.
And from which health complaints and to whom these complaints apply (if exemption from the obligation to take the basic civic integration examination is applied for)
Have you already contacted the IND regarding your question which organization you can turn to?
I assume that you are Dutch.
If you want to go to the Netherlands with your relationship, you will have to take due account of the integration process with regard to your relationship (it is wise to get married before making plans to return to the Netherlands).
Any integration for her will expire when you settle in another European country, as a Dutch citizen you can and may live in any European country without any problems and so can your wife.
I myself live in Germany with my Thai wife and our common child.
Provided there is sufficient income or savings.
Peter. Thanks for some suggestions
To be clear: nsar Nederland does not need to get married for migration. Nederlabd does not force people to get married. For the migration procedure it makes almost no difference, you actually only fill in other attachments (and the supported evidence differs slightly).
Practically all other EU countries require you to get married. But if you are married to your Thai family and migrate to another EU country (and therefore not your own EU lsnd) then you fall under more flexible rules. For example, no civic integration obligation and easier income requirements (sufficient income to pay for yourself is sufficient). There are plenty of people who have gone back to the EU with their families, but then to southern Europe.
Don't think too much about integration in NL yet. That's a few stops away. If the TEV procedure is complicated, I would focus on that first.
Henk I'm also worried about that….I don't get it…
Course here, course there, then back to Thailand for exam…
I have only just met them and she would like to come to Holland to settle here, but
I have no idea how to do that…..
And I don't understand all those papers either
If anyone knows it all, I'd love to hear it
Gerrit
The procedure can also be done for people who are more handy with their hands than with their head. Maybe keep some aspirin on hand. I wouldn't immediately migrate, but first go on holiday together.
See also my comments below:
“Rob V. Says on December 13, 2017 at 18:47 PM”
I have been in contact with a Dutch person in the past and he arranged the course and all papers etc. for my wife. We are now back in Thailand. His web site is http://www.nederlandslerenbangkok.com
You are very brief in your message. At least 2 conditions apply: You must be financially able to support this family and yourself, and your girlfriend (and children?) must pass an integration exam in Thailand. You will also have to live somewhere in the Netherlands.
After that it's a case of applying for a visa and getting on a plane.
I think it is wise that you consult a lawyer in Migration Law to avoid mistakes in your application.
It is Better to spend some money… than to have to apply after ? waiting a year is rejected.
Have a look at this link : (this is just one example).
Take the time to find a good lawyer
https://www.petkovski.nl/rechtsgebieden/vreemdelingenrecht-en-migratierecht/
A lawyer can, but a construction worker can also do the procedure himself if he is comfortable with it. You don't have to have a higher education, although they will probably have it a bit easier to sift through the paperwork. I know enough old people with a diploma from the vocational school who have done everything successfully and in 1 time themselves. Some all alone or with help at the IND desk or 'my' immigration file Thai partner here on the blog.
But for an individual, a lawyer may be the most convenient route. Especially if you have nothing to do with forms and have some money to spend (not meant to be sarcastic or anything).
The TEV procedure itself takes a maximum of 90 months if your file is in order. It therefore does not lie with the IND for a year. Usually an answer after a month or 2, but sometimes after a few weeks or days. A wheel of fortune is that time schedule at the IND …
But learning Dutch, doing integration abroad at the embassy, etc. will take you a year in total.
Dear,
Effectively not easy.
Start with the simple : get married officially and fulfill the administrative obligations that follow.
The lady must prepare well and pass the integration exam at the Dutch embassy.
You are well on your way with that.
Whether you still need external help afterwards, to evaluate at the time.
Good luck, and the best for your health.
The Netherlands does not oblige you to get married in order to do the migration procedure. See also my response/addition to Peter at 19.08:XNUMX PM above.
I also agree with you: arrange income and integration abroad and then look further. To learn Dutch, it is best to find a good study book and practice material (www.adappel.nl) or look for a course. Then you are already a few months further.
Dear Henk, if you don't manage to return to the Netherlands.
Renting a house in Spain or Portugal is possible from 300/350 euros
https://www.kyero.com/nl/property/4850510-villa-lange-termijn-verhuur-guardamar-del-segura
Within the EU you are also entitled to one PGB via the SVB.
I highly doubt that, if you have deregistered from the Netherlands and you arrive in Spain with a Thai family…
Dear Henk,
I don't know about your finances but I did it myself then, but there are plenty of agencies that want to do that for you, but even then you will have to collect the information yourself.
Below how I did it. (was married and without children. With children you also need the permission of the father, I believe)
I applied for an MVV visa on February 11, 2016.
Here I will describe what I had to do to apply for it.
Maybe I can help others with this.
First I downloaded the application form from IND.nl and answered all the questions. I also went to the hospital and the doctor also had to answer questions.
Then the marriage certificate, the divorce certificate was not necessary, if you are married again. as well as my wife's birth certificate.
Also took pictures of us together, and family so they can see that it's not a sham marriage. I scanned them and pasted them into a word document.
Made copies of both passports and also copies of the previous visa page for me and my wife. Also made a copy of the integration diploma.
I made color copies of everything, including the photos. I first put everything on a USB stick and went to a copy shop with it.
February 10, before 8 am, we were at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which is located on the Chaeng Wattana road, close to the Dong Muang airport. There we had to have the official documents such as marriage certificate and birth certificate translated into English with an official apostille stamp on it.
When we walked to the building, we were immediately approached by people who are willing to translate everything for you. Apparently these people are legal but I didn't have them translate it anyway. Once inside you will be approached by translators again and after much insistence I handed over the papers to be translated by that person and they would also provide the stamp. I do not recommend dealing with the people outside the building, because they are not allowed to enter the building. (I thought) I haven't seen them since.
I had to pay 1100 bath per document
For an extra 400 baht I had all the papers brought to my hotel in the evening, otherwise I would have had to hang around there all day. There is a restaurant in the building so food and drinks were available there. But I didn't find it attractive.
Fortunately, we had already booked a hotel in Bangkok. So we could say where it had to be delivered
We slept in the Los Vegas hotel, which was convenient to the MRT and the Airportrail, and not expensive.
On February 11, we were able to visit the Dutch embassy without an appointment from 14:00 PM to 15:00 PM. We arrived at 13:00 because we wanted to make sure we had the correct passport photos and we had them taken across the street from the embassy. We also asked for advice on the procedure. And she checked the forms and made another correction for all that paid 800 baht. (I don't know what the corrections were)
At the embassy we also had to pay fees 3600 bath.
Something went wrong with the fingerprints at the embassy and my wife went back alone the following week by plane and BTS
Then we received a bill from the embassy of € 233;= and, the same bill from the IND also € 233:= but that turned out to be a mistake we only had to pay 1 time.
Several training institutes wanted to apply for the visa for me, but they asked 20.000 to 25.000 baht for it and then we still had to pay the fees, and the IND, ourselves. And sending the official documents, I thought that was too great a risk.
I totally spent.
Bus trip, Phitsanulok-Bangkok return 800 baht per person 1600
Translate + stamps + delivery 4800 bath 4800
Taxi 400 bath round trip from Moh chit to foreign affairs min 400
BTS and Airportrail 400 bath total 400
Taxi 200 bath from Moh chit BTS to Moh chit bus station 200
Hotel 2 nights 1400
Office at the embassy ` 800
Embassy fees 3600
So in total 13200 bath
Made extra costs because the fingerprints were not successful, so my wife had to go back.
To collect the visa she had to go back to Bangkok by plane (1 day) but that is also necessary if you have it done by the institute.
The IND website states that they must make a decision within 3 months. I hope I don't have to wait that long, but I hear it will take at least 2 months before you get a message.
On March 23, 2016, my wife received a phone call from the Dutch embassy in Bangkok that the visa was ready and that she could collect it, but bring the passport so that it can be stuck in it.
On March 24, 2016, there was a letter from the IND, at my address in the Netherlands, that my wife can collect the visa. We did consult the IND site, because we still had to fill in an MVV grant form and take it with us (this is for use in the Netherlands), the letter contained everything else we had to do and take with us.
But she only had to bring her passport and got an MVV visa stuck in it.
The visa is only valid for 3 months, so travel before that time and visit the IND in the Netherlands for an extension of 5 years, but you must have obtained the 3nd integration diploma within 2 years.
So it took a total of 41 days.
At the beginning of May 2016 we will go to the Netherlands
But first, of course, you have to pass the civic integration exam abroad in Bangkok. And the Thai children??
Clear story. Thanks.
Please note: you do not have to visit a doctor for the TEV procedure, so no idea what you did there. After arriving in the Netherlands, the Thai must pass the GGD for a TB check.
After entering on the MVV (Schengen D visa), you can collect the VVR residence permit card from the IND. That is not an extension, that is simply the pass that confirms your right of residence, which you obtained from the IND when it approved your TEV procedure.
@Jasper: Minors do not have to do an integration abroad.
Please contact: info@thai family.nl
I have had a lot of support from it!!
Chok dee
Dear Henk,
Unfortunately, not all readers answer your question. This is of course with the best of intentions, but I hope you don't get further confused.
If you want help, I would consult an immigration lawyer. For example, one of the lawyers who op http://www.buitenlandsepartner.nl have a banner. But if you type in your place of residence + immigration lawyer in Google, you will come a long way. Of course it costs something. You are then hundreds of euros further:
https://www.mvv-gezinshereniging.nl/faq/kosten-mvv-aanvraag
The TEV procedure can be done by most people themselves. If you sit quietly for it, you will come a long way:
1) http://www.ind.nl
1a) https://ind.nl/Familie/Paginas/Echtgenoot-of-(geregistreerd)-partner.aspx
1 B) https://ind.nl/Formulieren/7018.pdf
2) https://www.thailandblog.nl/wp-content/uploads/Immigratie-Thaise-partner-naar-Nederland1.pdf
3) https://buitenlandsepartner.nl/forumdisplay.php?45-Aanvraag-MVV-VVR-(TEV-procedure)
3a) (if you create/have an account on SBP forum, the current form has changed slightly after an update, but this completed form still gives a good impression): https://www.buitenlandsepartner.nl/showthread.php?58032-Welke-documenten-aanleveren-%28-referent-amp-vreemdeling-%29&p=628003#post628003
The most important thing to fix is:
0) read in (IND.nl)
1) that you have sufficient and sustainable income (100% minimum wage, that is more than 1500 euros off the top of my head)
2) your partner must have taken the civic integration examination abroad at the embassy. You can study for this yourself or through a course in Thailand or the Netherlands
3) when 1 and 2 are completed: arrange Thai certificates: marriage/unmarried certificate and birth certificate, an official translation and legalisations. If necessary, you can hire an office for this. There is 1 diagonally opposite the NL embassy.
If you do not want or cannot do the TEV immigration procedure yourself and if a lawyer is not within your budget, visit the IND once you are in the Netherlands. You must make an appointment for this via the general number of the IND. They'll be happy to help you on your way.
Combine that with a joint holiday to the Netherlands, for example. It is wise that your Thai family first experienced the Netherlands during a stay of 30 or 90 days. Then they can taste and experience what kind of country this is before you do something drastic such as migration. See the Schengen visa file:
https://www.thailandblog.nl/wp-content/uploads/Schengenvisum-dossier-sept-2017.pdf
I am in favor of Peter and Jan's advice. This integration will be a disaster and red tape. That's how you skip that. After living in another EU country for x number of months, you can return to NL without any obligations. also see https://www.buitenlandsepartner.nl/. And search for: Belgium route. Get married first I think. And then theoretically 6 months abroad, keep it at 8 for safety.
You could get in touch with Mr. Theo Pouw arranges visas and gives integration classes in Thailand.
Theo Pow
37 Soi 20 – Mooban Seri 1
Ramkhamhaeng Soi 24 / Yeak 20
Huamark–Bangkapi
10250Bangkok
THAILAND
Phone: +66814015701
He managed:
*TDC Service Co. Ltd Bangkok*
Contact Richard van der Kieft van http://www.nederlandslerenbangkok.com.
He provides integration lessons and also helps you with the translation and legalization of the papers. Good luck.