Reader question: Who has a solution for this SSO problem?
Dear readers,
A friend of ours has the following SSO problem:
He normally lives in the Netherlands for 6 months a year and is also registered there as living in the Netherlands. He stays in Thailand 6 months a year with his partner, with whom he is married under Thai law, on a NON-OA visa. This all goes smoothly until the “being alive” statement has to be completed.
He himself is registered in the Netherlands, so I don't think he needs that statement. After all, if he gives up the ghost, the SVB will automatically be notified via the municipality.
His Thai partner who simply lives in Thailand, and for whom he receives a partner allowance, must of course provide proof of being alive.
Now he has completed all the papers for the SSO and emailed them to me, after which I printed them out and gave them to his wife so that she can go to the SSO in Hua Hin.
There she is told that her husband must also come along. However, he is currently serving his 6 months in the Netherlands, so it would be a costly history to buy a return ticket to Bangkok just to show your face at the SSO!
Is there anyone who has experience with such a situation?
With kind regards,
Martin
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My forms are stamped at SSO Khon Kaen, by a lady who cannot speak or read English.
I think, but who am I, the man can just report with forms and ID at an office of the SVB.
And that the SSO in Thailand wants to see him alive seems logical to me.
The lady in Khon Kaen SSO pretends to be crazy…….
I did not know, but would like to learn, that you also receive a partner allowance if you only live together for 6 months a year. It is, if I read correctly, 6 months 'there' and 6 months 'here' and she is not coming to NL.
Or will she come to NL? Then she can fill in a life certificate at any SVB office in NL.
Suppose she is not coming to NL. If that has been checked and approved perfectly, I would submit it to the SVB. They may be able to set a different term for her life certificate; now it is linked to the farang's birthday (at least I always get it sent shortly after my birthday and then I have 2 months to hand it in).
The SSO is right, so are the instructions. After all, they are there for the farang's life certificate and she is hitching a ride.
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I also did not know that someone can get a partner allowance if you are only legally married in Thailand, the marriage must then also be recognized here in NL, right?
Dear Martin,
As you say, your friend lives 6 months. in the Netherlands and is reportedly not deregistered, yet
receive a partner allowance! According to the rules, his partner must live with him or he must live with her in Thailand
and not as you indicate, 6 months. Thailand and 6 mos. Dutch. without his partner!
This resembles, "eating both ways" and that is not what the partner allowance is intended for!
The solution would be, female in Ned. live with him or he will go to Thailand for good.
Greetings John.
If he submits the problem to the SVB, there is a good chance that the partner allowance will be (partially) cancelled. To receive a partner allowance, you must live together and the partner must have accrued state pension in the Netherlands or is still accruing it, and you only accrue it if you live in the Netherlands.
To qualify for partner allowance, the years that have not been accrued, so the partner did not live in the Netherlands, are taken into account and these years are deducted. The amount of the allowance is therefore based on the number of years that can still be accrued until the age at which she starts receiving state pension herself and the partner allowance ends, but then you must (continue to) live in the Netherlands. When I read that she does not live in the Netherlands, I assume that she has never lived in the Netherlands, but that could be different. In any case, she is not building up now and that should be reported to the SVB, at least that is what the SVB told me.
Perhaps my response is a bit off the mark, but I wanted to let you know anyway, because I often hear that a partner allowance is received for the young partner who lives in Thailand, which according to the SVB is not possible.
Indeed, you must come with your wife (Chiang Mai) and get copies of the ID Card / Passport and sign it yourself
Why doesn't he show his face at one of the SVB offices in the Netherlands and ask for an explanation. Possibly with a statement from the municipality where he lives. And then goes to the Thai Embassy in The Hague. I think everything is resolved then.
I don't quite understand John's two wallets. For example, I duly reported my own situation to the SVB when I reached retirement age. My explanation was as follows: “When I am 2 I will live with my partner in Thailand for 65 months a year, and in the Netherlands for 6 months a year. My home country therefore remains the Netherlands, where I also have my home”. The SVB then informed me that this was all right, and sent me a calculation of my state pension in which the partner allowance was simply entered!
In my case, the reason for those 2x 6 months is simple: I am a rather intense heart patient and depend on my NL insurance. This is of course also the reason that no insurance company accepts me. If I just walk by they already slam the door! I have now found out that I am perfectly legal to stay here 8 months a year
PS As far as SSO is concerned: I also think it is the easiest thing to ask in the Netherlands how that actually works.
The most practical solution seems to me to go to the office in Hua Hinn together with the Thai wife at a time when the gentleman is in Thailand. If necessary, ask the SVB to postpone the submission of that statement for that reason. In my experience, such a postponement is not a problem for the SVB.
Joost, simple solution. There is approximately 5 months between the moment SVB sends the form and the moment they expect it back! Two years ago my form got lost between the Netherlands and my address. The SVB shipping date was December and my state pension was stopped in July the following year.
I immediately asked for a copy by email and completed it. Two months later I received my state pension from July onwards.
With 6 months you are almost within the set time.
It doesn't get any clearer. Martin also does not say whether or not his partner has been living in the Netherlands for 6 months, together with him.
I found this website…..
http://www.svb.nl/int/nl/aow/samenwonen_scheiden/trouwen_en_samenwonen/
There are words like 'living together more than half the time'
A concept is used 'two houses rule'
The explanation of the term partner is also not really clear.
It is to be hoped for the users of that 6-month arrangement or approval that there will be no hitch because as of 1-1-15 no new partner allowance will be granted. It is then the end of the story as already written in this blog.
You will receive such a paperwork twice, once a year. A life certificate for me and my wife plus an income statement for the wife, whether she earns money or not. With the whole papers to the SSO, me plus wife and come in person. You do not have to be married to receive the partner allowance, nor does your wife have to live with you in NL. It is only required that you live together in Thailand for at least 2 months a year. That's how it was with me when I was forced to stay in the Netherlands and was registered there, in Rotterdam from 1 to 3, so 1999x a year for 2005 months to Thailand.
Another nice comparison, I still have a small pension from Denmark from which I also receive a Life Certificate and the neighbor can fill that in as a witness that I'm not out of bed. Nothing, no SSO or other nonsense because they receive a death message via the EU network in which all data about a person is automatically passed on to all EU states.
Hope this isn't off topic, I thought it would help the questioner.
Ko, that's not right.
My partner has to sign on my SVB life certificate and the SSO signs the statement that reads….
Are the persons under A (me), B (my partner) and C (possible children in case of ANW) still alive?
The life of the partner (etc) is indeed checked.
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Hello Martin,
You can discuss for hours about the SSO whether they work well or not????? But that is not your question. Yes, if you live together in Thailand, you must report together to the relevant SSO. However, when he is in the Netherlands at that time, he can go to the SVB or call and agree that he will be in Thailand for a month and then report there with his partner. This is generally accepted and this can be arranged very well at the SVB. I was very recently at the SSO in Lamsebang and had many difficulties there, about getting back the documents, which I myself have to send to the Netherlands by post.
In the congratulatory letter, the SVB states that only the Dutch Embassy or the SSO office may stamp and sign off. And that they copy everything and then return a set containing the original document with stamp and signature. Had to go find a shop to make copies myself. When I asked if I could speak to a manager, the response was very unfriendly. and after waiting for 40 minutes we just left. Complaint submitted to the SVB and won. So just contact the SVB in Roermond. Good luck.