Dear readers,

In response to readers' questions about whether or not the NL embassy in Bangkok can provide vaccines to Dutch people in Thailand, you often hear: 'that is not part of the embassy's range of duties'.

Then the question arises, what does the embassy's duties include? Yes, trade promotion, diplomatic relationship, consular matters such as issuing passports. But in an emergency, that range of tasks can be expanded. Should a disaster happen in Thailand, won't the embassy also help the Dutch? Covid-19 is a disaster, right? Then why not vaccinate compatriots.

Who can explain that to me?

Regards,

Peter-Jan

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10 responses to “Reader question: What does the Dutch embassy in Thailand do for the Dutch?”

  1. Alex Ouddeep says up

    Your question, interesting and important, must be forwarded to the Ministry responsible for the embassy, ​​namely Foreign Affairs.
    Contrary to perception, the embassy's policy space is very limited.
    This is not something to regret, but is a consequence of the specific task of an embassy, ​​namely as a foreign body of the Dutch state.

  2. Ludo says up

    Do you really think that a simple embassy has the means to conjure up some vaccines with the snap of a finger?

    Our own governments have enough problems to buy enough vaccines for people in their own country. And then it's best not to mention the administrative hassle that comes with this.

    Be realistic, think carefully.

    You are also free to direct your question to your embassy.
    Bet those people, with all good intentions, can't give you an answer. And unfortunately we can't.

  3. Henk says up

    The tsunamis of 2004 and 2011: those were disasters, as was the flood of 1953. A crashing plane or a sunken ferry: ditto. But a pandemic like now with the corona virus under control, against which vaccines have been developed at a rapid pace to protect against infection and disease, which are gradually becoming available in every civilized country, that are being questioned by intelligent people, etc. etc.: such a pandemic is difficult, annoying, full of annoyance: but it is not a disaster. The question why an embassy should start distributing vaccines is a nonsensical one, if in a country like Thailand every foreigner / Dutch person can be eligible for vaccination from June next. In addition, vaccination is voluntary for each individual, proving once again that there is no such thing as a disaster.

  4. support says up

    Peter Jan,

    For NL embassy tasks, I would advise you to view the website.

    As for organizing vaccination for the Dutch, I wonder how you envision that. As far as I know there are no nurses employed by the embassy. Or do you want to be vaccinated by the head of the consular service or ambassador himself? I don't think it is possible to hire qualified staff on a temporary basis.
    In addition, many Dutch people would have to make a longer journey (for example, I would have to go from Chiangmai to BKK).
    The Thai government will not like that very much because of the limitation of travel movements. And the vaccine is also quite expensive due to the cost of the plane (2 x return). The Embassy could of course also go to larger cities in Thailand, but that requires quite an organization and it is not equipped for that.

    Covid is not a disaster, but a pandemic.

  5. John Chiang Rai says up

    The Dutch consulate does the same as every other consulate abroad does for its compatriots.
    Such as consular statements, passport, legalization of documents, or giving advice to entrepreneurs, and also in personal emergencies, etc.
    The so-called covid 19 disaster, as you call it, is first of all a personal necessity if you as a Dutch person are involved in a hospitalization yourself, if you are, for example, poorly insured so that the consulate can request a possible family member in the Netherlands to send money, or warn a family in the event of an accident or death.
    As long as all this is not the case, you just have to wait for a possible vaccination, just like everywhere else in the world, until it is your turn. (Where do you see an emergency or disaster there as you write?)
    Compatriots who still live in the Netherlands must also do the latter.
    If you feel you do not qualify for a vaccination soon enough, you can always try it for a fee in a private hospital, or fly back to the Netherlands where you can go without health insurance, just like all those who are even insured, and also on their have to wait turn.

  6. Arjen says up

    If you really have an emergency, the embassy is very easy to reach, and a huge help. I have nothing but praise for the experiences I have had with the Dutch embassy in Bangkok.

    If you, as a Dutch citizen, decide to live in Thailand, you must take care of any vaccinations you think you may need. That has never been different, and that is also the case now. It is really ridiculous to attack the Dutch embassy in this way. If I were the Dutch embassy I would refuse to help you in a future emergency. But luckily for you, they are more lenient in case help is needed.

    It's even crazier in the Netherlands: I deregistered from NL, came to NL just before Covid broke out. Can't go back home (Thailand). I work for a NL employer, pay tax in NL, have NL health insurance, but I am not eligible for a vaccination through the RIVM, because I am not listed in the GBA. I do live in NL, but at a temporary address, and they have no solution for that.

    Incidentally, it was reported a while ago that there is a solution for the many people who, like me, are in this situation, but it doesn't work yet…..

    Arjen.

    • Jack says up

      I think Peter Jan is asking a question.
      it is therefore absurd to find something ridiculous.
      the Chinese community is also being helped with vaccines by the Chinese embassy.

      which is ridiculous that you expect to get help if you are deregistered and no longer have a GBA registration.
      you have chosen thailand and you can come back in various ways under various circumstances.
      so don't go complaining to someone else if you don't get your own way.

    • Berth says up

      If you have a BSN number and didid, you can register. See link
      https://vbngb.eu/2021/04/24/over-de-vaccinatie-in-nederland-voor-niet-ingezetenen/

  7. Jacques says up

    It is good to read that this topic is being highlighted as such. I also had questions about the functioning of the Dutch embassy in Thailand. Despite some comments, I have a lot of respect for the workers at this embassy and I'm glad they are there for us.
    How people assess the severity and importance of the current pandemic will also continue to differ among humanity. Bolsinaro is such a striking example of this. So many deaths because of covid in his country and keep spreading untruths, incomprehensible. It is clear that other interests predominate for him. I wish the Brazilian people a different type of person with a heart that beats for the inhabitants, etc.
    As always, opinions are divided about covid-19 and the ways of responding are typical of the individuals in question. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and may express it, but without being treated rudely by those who think differently. This is not good for society and we will have to do it together anyway. I do think the current pandemic is a matter of vital importance to many and therefore the possibility for our embassies abroad should also be given greater opportunities to give shape to the aid. It is a coordinating role and that is something that people are trained for. Receiving covid-19 vaccines and distributing them to locations in Thailand. Getting the job done together with specialists in Thailand. Like the doctor's office in Ha Hin. Thai specialists can also be involved. The point is that vaccination takes place as quickly as possible for those who considered it important, but for enough people so that herd immunity occurs. Anyway at the moment there is more clarity from the Thai authority and vaccination will also apply to us. Now setting up a vaccine campaign from the Netherlands is mustard after the meal and can be omitted. It remains to be seen when it will be our turn in Thailand and I estimate the month of July of this year as a possible option.

    It is nice to read that people in the Netherlands also want to take a different course and this piece of text comes from the Ministerial information site and speaks for itself: "In general, the starting point within the European Union is that people are vaccinated in the country where they live. Dutch people living abroad should inquire with the authorities of the country where they live when they will receive a vaccination. ” Taken verbatim and as written it generally states and is now further elaborated and again taken verbatim in this way: “ Can I get a COVID vaccine in the Netherlands?
    The Dutch Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport is working on a vaccination option (in the Netherlands) for Dutch people who live abroad and who have a BSN number and DigiD. As soon as the digital counter of the Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport is operational, we will inform you about this and you can report to this digital counter.
    Don't have a DigiD yet? Request this online. The activation code for DigiD can then be collected from the consular department.

    A GBA registration in the Netherlands is therefore no longer required. I am happy with this progressive insight. It is about helping people, regardless of gender, age, place of residence, etc.

  8. Wiebren Kuipers says up

    With your DigiD you cannot register yourself with the RIVM that you have been vaccinated. The GGD does that for you.
    The GGD issues a proof at your injection location. Some also write this down in your yellow book. But not all GGDs do that.
    A few days after your injection, your vaccination shots can be viewed on mijnrivm.nl. For this you have to go to mijnrivm.nl. Log in with your digid code or digid app.
    You can then print an overview of your injections in Dutch or English. Once the European passport is available, these data will also be transferred by RIVM to the European passport.


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