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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Opening tearoom with Belgian specialties in Thailand
Reader question: Opening tearoom with Belgian specialties in Thailand
Dear readers,
My future wife and I want to open a tearoom in Patong Beach or Pattaya (where there are many tourists) with Belgian specialties such as self-prepared ice cream (all kinds of standard flavors but also ice cream based on West Vleteren Trappist beer) as well as pancakes and Brussels waffles in all flavors and preparations.
We would also offer Ice Coffee, Hot Coffee, Hot Chocolat, Ice Chocolat as well as some special beers including, for example, Trappist van West-Vleteren, Westmalle, Chimay, Rochefort, Orval, ….
Can you inform me what the import duties are for top-fermentation beers as well as Belgian chocolate in Thailand, are there certain criteria to achieve this?
What does a property cost (buy or rent) to start a tearoom…..?
We would have liked to have started our business in mid-2016.
Thanks in advance for your responses.
Andre
On the website http://www.dutycalculator.com can you calculate what the tax, import duties, etc. are. I only calculated it for wine and that was a shock: in the end the bottle of wine cost me six times.
Dear Andrew,
A name and perhaps also a compatriot of yours imports Belgian beer and distributes it in the Chonburi province. It is a wide selection. He's been living here for about 20 years, so give him a little light.
http://enjoyandre.com/
Succes
Ruud
PS They sell Belgian bonbons in Central in a small shop
In Thailand, as far as I know there is 1 person who imports the Belgian beers and distributes them to bars, restaurants in Thailand, or it would have changed in recent months. I personally think that you will NOT find the clientele in Thailand to turn a business with Belgian beers into a profitable business. For example, I have already known several who started with a (sort of) chip shop and they were closed faster than open. As you probably know, Westvleteren is only sold in limited quantities, ie 2 boxes per month, per person, per license plate, per mobile phone (it sounds strange my lists, but that's how everything is registered there) and this may NOT be resold. I sincerely hope you know what you're getting yourself into. Of the hundreds of Belgians who have started something, and who have made something of it and are profitable, I can easily count them on one hand.
Jan, even harder:
Westvleteren only 2 boxes every TWO months! And certainly not with a mobile phone without a subscription. So no pay and go. Hard to hear and then still export??? Forget it. And, by the way, criminal resale.
André,
You have to be a bit more critical about your chances of success.
Your target group is limited to…Belgians. You will have difficulty attracting other Europeans with your quality products.
Good luck on your search.
Cheers,
Stefan
Dear Andre
A number of Belgian beers are already imported into Thailand by: http://www.belbev.asia/ , you can possibly contact them.
As far as Westvleteren Trappist is concerned, Jan is 100% right, it is even difficult to get hold of in Belgium.
If You rent a property … keep in mind that the owner can throw You out at any time to use that location, for example. to build an apartment. (Something similar happened http://www.shakersphuket.com/ , also a Belgian.
Maybe you can contact this man:
Patrick from Patrick's Place
Flandria Belgium Bar Guest House & Restaurant & Frietkot .
Very nice man ; sells his business due to health that is rapidly deteriorating.
He used to be a chef in Belgium and even if you don't buy his business; he can tell you everything
about doing business and living in Pattaya.
http://www.flandriaguesthouse.com
Email: [email protected]
502/28-29 M.10 Soi Buakhao
Nongprue Banglamung Chonburi 20150
087-1422850 085-4312326
good luck
He has to change his location and target group.
It certainly has a chance of success if he takes the Thai middle class as his target group and I would not look for them in touristic hotspots, but rather in the Bangkok metropolis.
Because Belgian beers are very popular with the middle class, the competition in home maid ice cream is huge. Coffee shops have to offer you really exceptional quality, because the better coffee shops serve the Italian top brands such as Illy.
I advise the OP to research the local market first, and to stay away from the Tourist Hot Spots, because they prefer to drink the cheaper Thai beers and also don't have the budget of the Thai middle class.
A Thai middle class who usually have a few European trips behind them, and eat less Thai food than some here think. Just look at the successful restaurants in shopping centers, there are very few Thai restaurants,
belgian special beers are imported by this company,
http://www.belbev.asia/
all the others are agents of this firm.
Someone like the OP should know this, if he doesn't already know this is not a good sign, with some Googling he would have known this in no time.
I honestly think he wants to reinvent hot water.
He must first do his homework, do a decent market research and draw up a business plan.
Add kwekkeboom/dobben croquettes, frikandellen and fries and who knows, bami slices and that kind of stuff, minced meat ball and you could be successful if you look up the coast in Jomtien a bit. Good luck.
If you sit in the touristic side of pattaya, you pay way too high rent (which gets higher very regularly)
In addition, no one is talking about the many licenses you need to be able to sell these items and keep your business afloat. If you work yourself, you will need a work permit. You are also obliged to have a number of Thai people as staff.
You cannot arrange all of this yourself, so an expert (law firm) will have to be called in and because getting everything arranged can take a lot of time.
It is often better to take over something that has the right licenses and then expand it to your own idea and then don't forget the right license.
Inquire with a good Belgian in pattaya, who has been doing business for a long time
Andre, Go take a look at the Woodlands resort in Pattaya. Your assortment is too small then you won't make it. Open something like this in Hua Hin and pay close attention to the location because it is vital.
I do not recommend Phuket myself, but you have to make the choice yourself. And a terrace is also necessary, that's where you attract customers, of course equipped with possibly. fans and WiFi.
Dear,
Please think twice before doing that.
Thai laws, which sales area (ie which audience do you want to reach), how to supply, income taxes ... ??? Immigration and work permit??
Don't you think it's a little too rosy?
It is not so easy to survive in this oversupply here with quality products.
What prices are you going to charge… what is the competition for tourist.
regards
Georges
Belgian beers sell best to the well-to-do Thais (and there are many) and Japanese, Most expats have no money for expensive beers….are only complaining on Thai Visa.com….
One of the largest importers of Belgian beers is an Antwerp resident, lives in Chiangmai, with a lot of experience, imports more than 30 types of beer. Cnx.beer.
And I think you better stop dreaming about setting up your business manager, without experience you are a bird to the cat (well, a feathered one.)
Dear man, You don't know what you're getting yourself into. First get to know the market and Thailand well. If you do persist, hire a lawyer as well and agree on his fee in advance.
When it comes to ice cream, I've seen many come and just as many go. Swenssen's was initially quite expensive. Normal prices for the west. It didn't get off the ground. They have adjusted their pricing policy and it is now running smoothly. A business where you rely exclusively on tourists has little chance of survival. I think you should leave an opening for the local people. If you have that, you succeeded. There are dozens of coffee shops in Pattaya where no cat goes. Overpriced and aimed solely at the tourist.
Imported products are highly valued by Thailand. They believe that this protects their market. (Wrong I think) So… if you want to survive, try with locally sourced products.
The question remains whether you will already receive a work permit. If she is Thai, that would be fine, but you yourself are not allowed to cooperate! INQUIRE FIRST.
To make ice cream from West Vleteren Trappist beer you have to be fooled.
It is one of the most sought after, prized and hardest to come by medal beers.
Can you also make popsicles from the better champagne. Simple, pour into a Tupperware set, freeze, and sell.
Do you have previous experience in hospitality or entrepreneurship, do you have any doubts?
One cannot just start playing shop or cooking dinner.
It is very difficult to start a new business. Also hard work, prosperity, fighting for the right permits, and on top of that you have to build up business and also break even. And pay employees. Your wife can work, you can't.
Furthermore, anyone who wishes you the best and wants to help effectively will just want to get their share or sell product, and that's it. You could have known yourself that the dream would later turn into a fiasco: one reads between the lines of the other reactions. And there are just no books written about it on internet flora…
Try to take over an existing business in your niche. Costs much less. Try to keep it running and if you succeed, turn it into the 'tearoom' with your ideas. Btw, tearoom with specialty beers, is the same as a beer pub with waffles and pastries?
Good luck and sober look!
Hello Andre,
You ask a serious question and get all kinds of comments about business operations and types of beer, and St Sixtus van Westvleteren in particular is often mentioned.
But if you want to start a tearoom purely for fun, which does not have to be profitable, I think that is YOUR business and not of those many other "advisors".
I myself also have a dream wish, but the last thing I will do is ask the questions on this blog.
That dream wish does not have to bring in money just happy faces and all responders will come to it, because it is a gap in the Thai market.
Again good luck with your plans.
Ruud