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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Traveling to Thailand with dual nationality
Dear readers,
Although the subject has already been passed several times on Thailandblog, it is still not entirely clear to me.
My wife has both THAI and DUTCH nationality. If she identifies herself at passport control at Schiphol with the Dutch passport, the officer will stamp it for the outgoing Netherlands. Upon arrival in BANGKOK, my wife will present her THAI passport, so it does not contain the departure stamp from Schiphol. This is of course the other way around on the return trip!
If she shows her THAI passport at Schiphol passport control, she will be asked for a residence permit/other passport. Now, I think it would be easiest if the outgoing stamp is in the Thai passport upon departure, so that there is no question in Thailand whether you might have dual nationality!
I have also heard from another Thai lady that she (also a dual national) was obliged to pay for a visa for Thailand after showing her Dutch passport!
Who can answer my question clearly and clearly?
Yours faithfully,
Marco
An often repeated question.
Answer: Use the Dutch passport on arrival and departure in the Netherlands or another EU country and the Thai passport on arrival and departure in Thailand.
See also:
- https://www.thailandblog.nl/lezersvraag/thais-en-nederlands-paspoort/
- https://www.thailandblog.nl/lezersvraag/nederlandse-id-kaart-van-mijn-thailand-vrouw/
Hi Rob,
You are completely right. That's how I always do it with my kids. If you accidentally enter with your Dutch passport as a Thai, you get the 30-day exemption, so you have to leave after 30 days. If you don't do this, then you, as a Thai, are in overstay.. LOL huh?
Regards, Dontejo.
Incidentally:
– The KMar does not stamp Dutch passports on departure and arrival. The Thai do not stamp a Thai passport. So in terms of travel stamps there is nothing crazy.
– In both the Netherlands and Thailand, multiple nationality is allowed or at least not prohibited. If desired, you can therefore show both passports. As both Thai and Dutch, a visa is not required in both countries, even if the border control would see both passports.
So you come back to: nothing to worry about as long as you travel in or out with the passport of the country where you are at the border at that moment.
Dual nationality is illegal in Thailand. That is the reason why my wife does not become Dutch. I don't know if or how it is checked.
Rene H
As far as I know, dual nationality is not illegal in Thailand.
You only lose this if you ask yourself
Chapter 2
Loss of Thai Nationality
__________________________
Section 13.17 A man or a woman of Thai nationality who marries an alien and may
acquire the nationality of the wife or the husband according to law on nationality of his wife
or her husband may, If he or she desires to renounce Thai nationality, make a declaration of
his or her intention before the competent official according to the form and in the manner
prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations.
Source – Nationality Act BE2508
http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/506c08862.pdf
But you may have other info that contradicts this.
Please provide a source
Why would you think that? You may give up your Thai nationality, but you don't have to if you naturalise. There are plenty of Thais with multiple nationalities by birth or naturalization walking around. For example Thaksin and Abhisit.
“Nationality Act, (No.4), BE 2551 (=year 2008)
Chapter 2. Loss of Thai Nationality.
(...)
Section 13.
A man or a woman of Thai nationality who marries an alien and may acquire the nationality of the wife or the husband according to law on nationality of his wife
or her husband may, If he or she desires to renounce Thai nationality, make a declaration of his or her intention before the competent official according to the form and in the manner prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations.”
Source: http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/506c08862.pdf
See also: https://www.thailandblog.nl/lezersvraag/huwelijk-thailand-laten-registeren/#comment-288730
Restore!
Abhisit does NOT have British nationality.
Due to birth in England before, I believe 1985, he is entitled to, but must claim this.
And he never did.
He has been accused of having British nationality, but in the past that was automatic if you were born in the UK.
Thaksin has bought some passports here and there, completely legal by the way.
It is rumored that he is now shopping for sister ……..
Incidentatlly:
In and out of the Netherlands on the Dutch passport.
Thailand in and out on the Thai passport.
The Dutch passport is NOT stamped by the Kmar.
the Thai passport is stamped in Thailand by the Immigration Police.
Thanks, learned something again, I indeed thought that Abhisit had British nationality because he is entitled to it and it is easier to enter other (Western) countries on a British passport compared to a Thai passport. The point remains that multiple nationality through birth or naturalization is not a problem. In the Netherlands it is even more difficult because the law says that with naturalization you must give up the old nationality unless, for example, you are married to a Dutch person or that giving up your nationality has disproportionate consequences such as loss of inheritance rights, real estate, land, etc.
Indeed, you will still get stamps in your Thai passport unless you go through the gates. No idea what happens if someone wants to cross the border on the Thai ID card, it may be stated in one of the aforementioned two blogs about this item.
Rob V
“The Thai don't stamp a Thai passport.”
Anyway.
If she uses the normal passport control, she will get the same stamps in her Thai passport as we do.
My wife's passport is full of it.
She has been using the electronic passport control since last year and that is indeed what happens
no more stamps.
In Europe, she uses her Belgian ID card or Belgian passport.
The visa pages are still virgin because nothing is stamped.
Marco
Your wife will NOT be stamped on her Dutch passport when she goes to Thailand. Incidentally, having a second nationality in addition to the Dutch nationality is only permitted if either the other country prescribes this mandatory, or if there are strong considerations for retaining that nationality. Like, for example, owning land in Thailand, which is only reserved for Thais. So be careful with that.
Just do nothing wrong, she always has to enter Thailand with her Thai passport, if she enters Thailand with her Dutch passport, she will get a blow from the Thai customs. Then you are waiting for a nice while, my wife and stepdaughter also happened. They now go in with Thai passports and you don't have to wait either, I don't like entering the Thai queue so easily.
marcel
Agree with the previous speaker. My wife is Thai - American. Abroad and in the EU she comes and goes on her US passport and gets the stamps. Upon returning to Bangkok, she shows besides passports, but enters on her Thai passport.
A friend of ours has both Thai and Belgian nationality and when she leaves Thailand she shows her Belgian passport, as well as when she arrives in Belgium. On return she shows her Thai passport, both on departure and arrival and she never has any problems with that. For the preservation of Thai nationality, it makes no difference whether a Thai owns real estate or not. You keep your own nationality for life, except of course if you have committed serious criminal offenses and thereby lost your civil rights.
Then you can lose your nationality. It can also be done the other way around: when leaving Thailand, show her Thai passport and when arriving in Belgium or the Netherlands, show her Belgian or Dutch passport. Show your Belgian (or Dutch) passport on your return and show your Thai passport on arrival in Thailand and only show both passports if requested.
That's right Roger. In fact, it's simple. As a Thai in Thailand you use your Belgian passport to travel to Belgium. Welcome home. As a Belgian in Belgium, you use your Thai passport to travel to Thailand. There too: welcome home. That is dual nationality, and one of the advantages.
But actually it is a lack of bilateral agreement BE/TH/TH/BE that makes this gap possible. After all, the exemption rule does not apply here, and neither does the visa obligation in the opposite direction. Does anyone know why politicians have not (yet) made an issue of this ;~)
Davis,
Very simple indeed, but it doesn't quite work as you write.
When she leaves Thailand she must use her Thai passport.
If she goes through normal passport control, she will get a Departure stamp in the passport.
If she goes through electronic passport control, nothing will enter her passport at all.
The Be/Nl passport should only be shown when requested, and only serves as proof that she has the Be/Nl nationality, and is therefore not subject to the visa requirement.
The ID card can also be shown as a replacement, because it is usually also accepted. Not even officially, because an ID card is only valid within Schengen countries.
The Thai passport is requested at 3 places in the airport.
At check-in, at Immigration and at boarding. Each time you can also ask about the (Schengen) visa. She then simply has to show her Belgian passport or ID card as proof that she is not subject to that visa requirement.
Once on board the plane, the Thai passport can be put away. No longer needed for anything.
In Be/Nl, the Be/Nl passport or ID card is sufficient to go through passport control.
When leaving Belgium, she must show her Be/NL passport at passport control.
If she would show her Thai passport, people will always ask how she has stayed in Be/NL, and where her visa/residence permit is.
If she then shows her Be/Nl passport, she will note that in the future she must always show her Be/Nl in Be/Nl.
The only place where her Thai passport can be asked for is at check-in, or possibly boarding, if she would fly to Thailand for more than 30 days or without a return ticket.
This is not always the case with every airline, but with Thai Airways it is asked at check-in, I know.
Once on the plane, she can put her Nl/Be passport away again. No need for anything else.
When she arrives in Thailand, she uses her Thai passport.
If she goes through regular passport control, she will get an Arrival stamp in her passport. If she uses the electronic passport control, nothing will get in.
Dual national Thais using their BE/NL passport to enter Thailand will be treated like any other foreigner.
One cannot know that she also has Thai nationality.
Just because she looks Thai doesn't mean she is.
So if she enters with her Nl/Be passport, she will receive a Visa Exemption for a maximum stay of 30 days, or the number of days that is in accordance with her visa.
In brief
– When leaving Thailand, the Thai passport
– On arrival in Be/Nl, the Be/Nl passport or ID card.
– When departing from Be/Nl, the Be/Nl passport
– Upon arrival in Thailand, the Thai passport
The other passport, Be/NL or Thai depending on the situation, should only be presented when requested
What you mean by :
“actually it is a lack of bilateral agreement BE/TH/TH/BE that makes this gap possible. After all, the exemption rule does not apply here, and neither does the visa obligation in the opposite direction. Does anyone know why politicians have not (yet) made an issue of this”
Which gap?
She officially enters with the nationality of that country, so why Exemption or other visa obligation.
I don't really understand what you mean and what solution a bilateral agreement would offer?
Politicians can do something about dual nationality, but there are supporters and opponents of this.
My wife has both nationalities, and this is positive for us. We are therefore in favor of dual nationality.
Currently dual nationality is allowed in Belgium, and as far as I know also in Thailand.
By the way, it also works in the other direction. Belgians who take on another nationality also no longer have to give up their Belgian nationality (this has not always been the case).
Dear Ronnie,
Thank you very much for this very interesting explanation!
This is useful, especially through clear language.
Regarding the hiatus, sorry but was misled. Retract this passage.
Was just before posting the reaction in conversation with a member of parliament. Was talking about Thailand myself, and dual nationality. We got into a little discussion, and he started talking about the gap in the dual nationality legislation. What I didn't realize was that he was talking about countries like Morocco. While I was talking about Thailand. So we had a discussion side by side, my conclusions that I took over from the man - who knew better - are therefore not appropriate here.
Furthermore, you agree that dual nationality is positive for BE-NL-TH. My late Thai friend had that too.
Thank you for your explanation, which, as always, is to the point and substantiated.