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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Getting old and sick in Thailand
Reader question: Getting old and sick in Thailand
Dear readers,
Getting old and sick in Thailand. You don't know the language, but you depend on other people. What should you arrange in advance to never fall victim to neglect or abuse or theft?
Regards,
Jo
Dear Joe,
Your question is best asked to someone who can predict the future. Whether in Thailand or anywhere in the world. No one can guarantee that the things you mentioned will never happen to him or her.
Personally, I think that trusting your immediate environment and your loved ones is the only way to grow old peacefully in TH, unless you are fluent in the language yourself, and even then it won't help you if you're demented and alone.
Almost everyone comes at a time in their life when they are dependent on their partner and/or children or their immediate environment. If you don't have confidence in that, you won't have that in NL/BE either and you will have a bad old age.
There is a solution for not knowing the language. Whether you still master that language at an advanced age or if you would become demented is the question…..
And the rest is exactly as harry says: watching coffee grounds both in Thailand and elsewhere. You never have guarantees.
Anyone can become a victim, both from people in the environment and from the regulations.
If I can live to be 80, I will live here longer than in the Netherlands and I should have faith that the human aspect will be faced, but we will see that again, or remain nice and naive against my better judgment 😉
Integration is the magic word in NL so I'll take that with me.
You can also join the Meetup.com group “Bangkok Golden Years Seniors”. Through that platform, events, presentations, discussions, etc. are regularly organized for people who want to grow old in Thailand (or are already doing so), on topics such as this.
Go back to the Netherlands. If you really need care, it is better arranged and the insurance is affordable.
indeed agree with William,
The Netherlands has better facilities and the language is not a problem.
If one is concerned about that, it already says how uncertain it is.
So: Count your blessings
There are no guarantees in life.
If you're alone and going to get dementia, you should be wondering if it's not time to get out.
You can buy care if your purse is big enough. If that is not the case, you are dependent on relatives by marriage in Thailand, friends, etc.
But will they take care of you? Caregiving is quite heavy. And it is, as a few writers wrote, gambling. You can become disabled tomorrow, but you can also turn 100 and run a half marathon.
For myself I made the choice to return to the Netherlands. But I was single. So the choice was fairly easy to make. Here in the Netherlands the care is better, although of course there are also problems with it, but the health insurance pays a lot of that care. And in principle, care for the elderly is well organized.
For me personally, I have no financial worries if I become disabled, but good health is the best thing you have. No excellent care, financial affordability for care, etc. can compete with that.
I thought Thailand was a great country to live in, but you have to be reasonably healthy. Examples enough that people ended up in a financial abyss in Thailand, by becoming ill or deteriorating.
To arrange? Nothing, I think. Just love the people around you. And do for others (Thai) whatever you hope they will do for you when the time comes. In that respect, I have more confidence in Thais than in the Dutch, who are used to shifting care to professional bodies.
Think for yourself that good insurance is the first thing and indeed the right people next to you
Well dear Jo, your question is so general that a single answer is next to impossible. Nevertheless, I'll give it a try.
You wonder what to do in order to never be neglected, abused and/or robbed when you are older and sick (note). You don't ask that question for nothing: either you've experienced it in your own circle, or hearsay, or you're on your own. It doesn't matter, other variants are even conceivable, it has certainly made you think. It is a pity that you do not share this thought process with us, because it would facilitate an answer.
Because what should you arrange in advance? Of course, this has everything to do with what your life situation looks like. Mine is such that I have a younger very loving wife, who I have known for years and years and to whom I have been married for almost 25 years. She is going to take care of me. But what if she dies sooner? Then various members of the in-laws are ready to take over that care for me. I could even join the family of several friends. Because what does the fact mean? My father-in-law died of old age, as did the fathers of others, and because of these events the question always arises as to what should happen to me in the long term. We are that honest and open.
But what if you're on your own? At the beginning of the year I happened to see a German documentary on the WDR about how to spend the 'old age' in Thailand. An elderly woman came to live in Hua Hin after the death of her husband and had a private carer at home. Cost: ThB 15K. She told her to trust this nurse as her own daughter. But what happened? There were kinks in the cable because an increasingly higher monthly wage was requested, and therefore end of story in the long run. The woman in question had come to the realization that no security could be expected even against payment. Life is and remains uncertain, and the older the more vulnerable.
Never (!) become a victim of neglect, abuse or theft: that is what you want. But who doesn't? Intruders, crooks, thieves? That doesn't even work in the Netherlands. From neighbors, acquaintances, (in-law) family, your own partner? That situation can never be completely ruled out, especially if decisions are made without wisdom and understanding. As you say: you have to rely on other people. I think it starts there. Make sure you surround yourself with nice loving people, and make sure you become settled and embedded. That takes a few years, can only be achieved through respect and trust, and can never be bought with money, but with personal investment on your part. Well, another answer has been formulated. Use it to your advantage!
There is a nice senior resort in Hua Hin: Sunshine International. With hotel rooms, villas for rent and for sale. Is also nursing at, restaurant etc. right by the sea.
Costs a bit, but then you also have something!
Actually, Sunshine International is not that expensive compared to the same variety in the Netherlands or Europe. I've already looked at it and I didn't think homes were that crazy either. 24/7 care, transport, coffee and water all day, a swimming pool and company. https://www.sunshine-residences.com/?utm_campaign=7f31bd1b-83e5-49ab-86f8-92fd6b58f286&utm_source=so
You do have guarantees.
Very briefly: as long as you live you have income from the Netherlands. Income that is very welcome.
Necessary!
They really take good care of you even if you are going to have dementia.
And get out?
You don't get that chance.
I have a happy life in Thailand, even if I don't have them in a row anymore, I'm sure.
Who's going to get that income, and how can you be sure you'll be well taken care of, and you won't be lying in your feces and your urine when you're alone?
It does not seem unlikely to me that the Thai government will put you on a plane to your country of birth when your visa or extension of stay has expired.
It's not hard to get out.
The manual is on Wikipedia.
Make sure it was your choice to get out! Make this clear (in writing).
May no one close to you be accused!
For those interested:
In many parks in Thailand you can find the Cerbera odollam that can be very useful for some purposes, say the Asian version of the Taxus baccata that is planted in almost every cemetery in the Netherlands.