Welcome to Thailandblog.nl
With 275.000 visits per month, Thailandblog is the largest Thailand community in the Netherlands and Belgium.
Sign up for our free e-mail newsletter and stay informed!
Newsletter
Language setting
Rate Thai Baht
Sponsor
Latest comments
- hein: I never understand the advice to sit near public transport. Just grab a taxi: fast and cheap. My advice is still ste
- PEER: Well, dear André, then I have to disappoint you, because with an hcp of 26.3 you will not be happy with the Wiang Kosai golf course.
- Johnny B.G: Up to 100 million baht is free of tax and the excess is 10%. Very important if you have to pay taxes and you get it because of it
- jerry: on this site https://www.auran.com/ you can make a track with all accessories on a computer, I also have them trainz 2022 platium n
- Teun: Dear Frans, It is an open secret that the ladies, in even 'neat' massage parlors, like to have a little pocket money.
- Right: Choose another Dutch notary, one who wants to think pragmatically and does more than generate standard texts about legalization
- Right: Good preparation is much more than half the battle when applying for a visa. I cannot emphasize enough that (in addition to all...
- Osen1977: I must say that I am also very satisfied with the well-known b.com. What has happened to me sometimes is that the hotel has a part of it
- Hans Bosch: The 'real' Mojito comes from Cuba, made famous by Ernest Hemingway. It was his regular drink at the Bodeguita del
- Eric Kuypers: Cornelis, of course there will be an investigation! 'Suicide' is more common in Thailand and if the servant had any sch
- Ludo: Dear Bert, we have been watching here for quite some time now with a PSI dish, transponder with 4 outputs (we have 3 TVs) and
- Cornelis: Not surprising that government vultures are already looking for a way to get a grain of bread - and if possible a whole saturday
- Frans de Beer: Have you ever been here? Most are just massage parlors. Some bad things (where you can get a happy ending) far
- Marius: https://www.instagram.com/visa_by_rungnapa?igsh=enB2eXJuOW5oeGkw You can easily apply for a visa through her. She ask
- TonJ: Dear Rob V., My experiences date from last March. I checked the checklist dozens of times. Everthing allright. So go to VF in good spirits
Sponsor
Bangkok again
Menu
DOSSIERS
Learning objectives and topics
- Background
- Activities
- Advertorial
- Diary
- Tax question
- Belgium question
- Sights
- Bizarre
- Buddhism
- Book reviews
- Column
- Corona crisis
- The Culture
- Diary
- Dating
- The week of
- Dossier
- To dive
- Economy
- A day in the life of…..
- Islands
- Food and drink
- Events and festivals
- Balloon Festival
- Bo Sang Umbrella Festival
- Buffalo races
- Chiang Mai Flower Festival
- Chinese New Year
- Full Moon Party
- Christmas
- Lotus Festival – Rub Bua
- Loy Krathong
- Naga Fireball Festival
- New Years Eve celebration
- Phi ta khon
- Phuket Vegetarian Festival
- Rocket festival – Bun Bang Fai
- Songkran – Thai New Year
- Fireworks Festival Pattaya
- Expats and retirees
- state pension
- Car insurance
- Banking
- Tax in the Netherlands
- Thailand tax
- Belgian Embassy
- Belgian tax authorities
- Proof of life
- DigiD
- emigrate
- To rent a house
- Buy a house
- In memoriam
- Income statement
- King's day
- Cost of living
- Dutch embassy
- Dutch government
- Dutch Association
- News
- Passing away
- Passport
- Retirement
- Drivers license
- Distributions
- Elections
- Insurance in general
- Visa
- work
- Hospital
- Health insurance
- Flora and fauna
- Photo of the week
- Gadgets
- Money and finance
- History
- Health
- Charities
- Hotels
- Looking at houses
- Isaan
- Khan Peter
- Koh Mook
- King Bhumibol
- Living in Thailand
- Reader Submission
- Reader call
- Reader tips
- Reader question
- Society
- marketplace
- Medical tourism
- Environment
- Nightlife
- News from the Netherlands and Belgium
- News from Thailand
- Entrepreneurs and companies
- Education
- Research
- Discover Thailand
- Opinions
- Remarkable
- Calls
- Floods 2011
- Floods 2012
- Floods 2013
- Floods 2014
- Winter prices
- Politics
- Poll
- Travel stories
- Travel
- Organizations
- Shopping
- Social media
- Spa & wellness
- Sport
- Cities
- Position of the week
- The beach
- Language
- For sale
- TEV procedure
- Thailand in general
- Thailand with children
- thai tips
- Thai massage
- Tourism
- Going out
- Currency – Thai Baht
- From the editors
- Real estate law; and
- Traffic and transport
- Visa Short Stay
- Long stay visa
- Visa question
- Flight tickets
- Question of the week
- Weather and climate
Sponsor
Disclaimer translations
Thailandblog uses machine translations in multiple languages. Use of translated information is at your own risk. We are not responsible for errors in translations.
Read our full here disclaimer.
Royalty
© Copyright Thailandblog 2024. All rights reserved. Unless stated otherwise, all rights to information (text, image, sound, video, etc.) that you find on this site rest with Thailandblog.nl and its authors (bloggers).
Whole or partial takeover, placement on other sites, reproduction in any other way and/or commercial use of this information is not permitted, unless express written permission has been granted by Thailandblog.
Linking and referring to the pages on this website is permitted.
Home » Reader question » Reader's question: Surviving relatives benefit wife who has never been to the Netherlands
Reader's question: Surviving relatives benefit wife who has never been to the Netherlands
Dear readers,
Can someone inform me whether my wife who has never been to the Netherlands is entitled to a survivor's benefit after my death?
Lived together for three and a half years and never applied for a partnership benefit. I thought that was inappropriate. It is abused a lot. After my marriage before the law, I applied for a married person's benefit and, after submitting all the papers, of course adjusted to the married state. Payroll tax and national insurance contributions are withheld from her part of the state pension she receives. She is younger than I am and of course lives longer than I do. Isn't it the case that if you pay tax in the Netherlands, you are also entitled to a benefit?
I would like to hear a response(s).
Regards,
Paul
Editors: Do you have a question for the readers of Thailandblog? Use it contact form..
Paul, your wife has never lived in the Netherlands, I read. So she did not accrue state pension independently.
Then your information raises questions. What kind of benefit does she receive from the SVB: you write: wage tax is withheld from her part of the AOW. So the question that now arises is: is she independently entitled to AOW or do you mean something else? I do not read in your message whether you have taken out a survivor's or pension insurance for your wife, so I assume that you did not do this.
If you die, your AOW will lapse (and if you live together without being married: also the partner allowance); your wife will then not receive anything from the SVB unless she is independently entitled to state pension and that only at the state pension age.
The widow is entitled to a widow's pension if you have a company or state pension in addition to the AOW, but you must then work on this and have your wife registered as such with a pension fund or insurer.
Finally, paying tax in the Netherlands does not entitle you to a pension or survivor benefit.
Dear Paul,
may I assume that you were married before 1 January 2015 and are therefore eligible for a partner allowance for your spouse? After this date, you are no longer entitled to a partner allowance. I could of course be wrong, but I think that partner allowance will expire after your death. Your wife has never lived in the Netherlands and, in my opinion, is therefore not eligible for an AOW benefit. The fact that tax is currently levied on your state pension and the partner allowance is irrelevant. My answer is my approach but – as I said – I could be wrong. Look forward to comments from experts.
There is still the misunderstanding that a wife in Thailand who has never been to the Netherlands is entitled to a (surviving relatives) benefit in the event of the death of the husband. There are those who believe that an AOW benefit is automatically transferred to the spouse in the event of their own death. This misunderstanding also exists with regard to a pension benefit.
Everyone who lives in the Netherlands for a year saves 2% AOW. If my Thai wife is alive and well when she is 67 years old, she will have lived in the Netherlands for 26 years and will therefore receive 52% AOW. AOW accrual therefore has nothing to do with paying taxes, because someone without income and therefore no tax payment also receives AOW in proportion to the number of years of residence in the Netherlands.
In the case of Paul as the questioner, he will receive his share of AOW, which is approximately €825 gross.
If he were single, he would receive around €1125.
His wife receives €0 because he is not entitled to AOW, as he has never lived in the Netherlands.
She is also not entitled to ANW via the SVB.
Possibly, if Paul has arranged a possible survivor's pension or partner's pension with his pension fund. This must be done on time, often earlier than the start date of your own pension. Usually part of your own pension is exchanged for a partner's pension. If this had happened, Paul would receive less pension, and his wife would receive a survivor's pension upon his death. The amount of this therefore depends on the size of the ceded part of your own pension.
At the time, I already exchanged part of my pension for a partner's pension for my wife. In order to receive more or less a full pension, I have paid extra contributions for years. In short: when my wife is 67 years old, she will receive both an AOW and a pension, and she will have a (possible) ANW scheme through my pension fund.
Paul's assumption that if you pay tax in the Netherlands that you are also entitled to a benefit, is incorrect. Incidentally, his wife does not pay tax in the Netherlands because she has no income from the Netherlands and in due course no state pension.
You say: wage tax and national insurance contributions are withheld from her part of the state pension she receives.
How can she receive state pension if she has never been to the Netherlands?
Very unclear story from you.
If you are in NL. you are automatically insured for the ANW = "General Surviving Dependents Act", formerly called the "Widows and Orphans Act"
AOW, Pension Fund, Partner Allowance, has nothing to do with that.
If you go to live in Thailand and are deregistered in NL, you are no longer entitled to those national insurance schemes.
However, you can voluntarily insure yourself for the ANW within the year that you have been deregistered if you have a partner and you meet the conditions. The premium is withheld annually from your AOW.
I think from Paul's letter that he has not taken out voluntary ANW insurance.
He also mixes up different concepts. His wife does not have an AOW benefit on which she pays tax. Paul probably has a Partner Allowance.
Your partner has passed away
If your partner dies, a lot has to be arranged. There may be financial consequences. You can receive an Anw benefit if you have not yet reached state pension age and meet the other conditions. It doesn't matter if you were married or cohabiting. Read more about whether you can receive an Anw benefit.
When will you receive an Anw benefit?
You will receive an Anw benefit if, on the day of your partner's death:
cares for your own child, foster child or stepchild. The child is younger than 18 and lives with you, or
are at least 45% incapacitated for work
Some income is deducted from your Anw benefit. That is why we check whether you have any income. We also check whether you live alone or together.
More information about your income and Anw benefit
Learn more about living with someone else
Additional conditions for living or working outside the Netherlands
Additional conditions apply if you live or work outside the Netherlands.
Read the extra conditions on the page 'Your partner has passed away'
Read more about the state pension age
See further: https://www.svb.nl/nl/anw/wanneer-krijgt-u-anw/uw-partner-is-overleden
When applying for an ANW benefit and living abroad, the country must be included in the list of treaty countries. Thailand is not listed there, so the story does not apply.
Regardless of whether Thailand is not a treaty country. In any case, there must be a child under the age of 18 for whom she has the care or she must be 45% disabled. But I think Paul doesn't care because if you ask for more clarity, he doesn't respond.
Dear Henny,,
In 2004 I took out a voluntary ANW for my wife and foster child, for which I pay an annual premium. Will be deducted from my state pension.
You are apparently misinformed.
@leo Bosch: I was therefore misinformed by SVB. Do you have written confirmation that the ANW is paid in Thailand?
Henry,
Of course I received that 17 years ago and the SVB knows that I live in Thailand.
In addition, a premium is deducted for it once a year.
Henry,
And why should Thailand not be a treaty country?
There is also a treaty between NL. and Thailand due to payment of income tax from NL residents.