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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Can my Thai wife travel to Thailand with a Dutch passport?
Dear readers,
My wife received her Dutch passport in March, but she also still has her Thai passport. However, this expires on February 5, 2020. Now we are going on holiday to Thailand on February 23. There are people who say that Thai customs can be difficult about this. She does want to renew her Thai passport in Thailand.
But can't she just go to Thailand on her Dutch passport and back to the Netherlands on the same passport?
Regards,
Adentuean
Yes, you can on her Dutch passport.
But why not just apply for a new Thai passport at the Thai embassy. Still plenty of time if you do that now.
Dear RonnyLatYa,
This Thai lady now has the Dutch Nationality and also the Thai. I am assuming that if someone with Dutch Nationality and passport applies for another Passport, they will lose Dutch Nationality. Perhaps this also applies to the expiry of the validity of a Thai passport and the loss of Thai Nationality.
Regards Anthony
I think if that were a problem, she should have given up her Thai nationality when she got Dutch nationality.
By the way, it is not because a passport expires that your nationality will lapse.
Unfortunately Antonius a totally wrong reaction. Someone who applies for a new passport does not lose his or her 2nd nationality. A Thai never loses his or her nationality, unless certain criminal offenses have been committed.
No, that's not the case. A Thai holds both nationalities. Unless, see below. In some countries you cannot legally exchange your nationality for that of your new country of residence.
She does not lose Thai nationality when she acquires Dutch nationality, and vice versa. If she is/still in possession of her (valid) Thai ID, she will soon be able to get a new passport.
Indeed, why not via the Thai embassy in The Hague? Questioner reports that his wife wants to renew her Thai passport in Thailand. He doesn't say why she doesn't want to. Maybe because of the costs or not being able to free up a row?
Please note: if a Thai woman also has Dutch nationality and she moves abroad (so not just Thailand), she will lose Dutch nationality if she does not renew her passport in time within the period of validity, in short always 10 years after leaving the Netherlands /deregistration BRP.
my Thai wife has had both a Dutch and Thai passport for over 25 years.
You can always renew your Thai passport at the Thailand embassy in The Hague
When we go to Thailand she always uses her Thai passport
because it is cheaper in Thailand and because I have to take a day off here and also have to go to The Hague. But thanks for the response.
greeting Ad
Dear Ronny, time will be tight. An appointment at the Thai embassy will most likely not work this year and that will soon be the second week in January. However, Adentuean can check that with one phone call. Last year it took quite a long time before my partner received the Thai passport after applying. According to my memory, it was at least a month and since their holiday is scheduled for February 5, it will be short notice.
Sorry, misread. Passport is valid until February 5 and holiday is not until February 23. So that should be easy. But yes, if Ad thinks it's too expensive in The Hague, doesn't want to take a day off and also finds it objectionable to go to The Hague anyway, then that's it.
This need not be a problem. My wife had one too. She is given a form stating that she has applied for a new passport. If the passport does not arrive on time, this will suffice for customs in Thailand
Have now replaced 2 x passport for my girlfriend. Goes very easy and smooth.
1. Make an appointment at the Thai embassy in The Hague
2. Bring your Thai ID and hand in your old passport. I think photos and finger scans are made on site.
3. Passport will be sent by registered mail upon request within a few weeks.
4. So easy and no stress at customs :)
Good trip
And that also cost 1000 baht?
In Brussels since July 2019 – 35 Euro….
In The Hague 30 Euros
http://www.thaiembassy.org/hague/th/services/42927-Thai-Passport.html
Of course she can travel with her Dutch passport, but then she enters Thailand as a Dutch citizen and not as a Thai, she will then receive a stamp in her passport for a stay of 30 days, just like you, unless you have applied for a visa in the Netherlands. she also has to travel out with her Dutch passport, otherwise the stamps (dates) are not correct. I would just apply for a new Thai passport at the embassy, I think it is just as expensive.
Just to the Thai embassy in The Hague.
A new passport will be arranged there including the passport photo.
Then like so many (including my wife): out of the Netherlands with the Dutch passport, into Thailand with the Thai passport, out of Thailand with the Thai passport (handing over the Dutch as well, instead of an entry visa in the Netherlands) and finally back into the Netherlands with the Dutch passport.
Greetings and happy journey,
Frans de Beer
you can just fly with your thai passport and just renew in Thailand is also much cheaper
Indeed. You can just enter on your EXPIRED Thai passport, no problem. Once in your own municipality, you can extend your passport at the amphur for 1000 baht. Easy peasy.
She can simply enter Thailand on her Dutch passport, so no problem at all.
For a new Thai passport, she simply goes to the passport division, which sends her a new Thai passport to her Thai address within a week. Bring your old passport or Thai ident.card of course)
If I am well informed, she can now choose between a passport with 5 years or 10 years validity.
She has a more expensive, and actually unnecessary option at the Thai consulate in the Netherlands.
Yes John, that new Thai passport can be applied for in Thailand. Once went with a Thai family member to do that. First the journey, early in the morning, to Bangkok Division, where the application took place. Got a tracking number and there were over 200 waiting ahead of us. After lunch it was finally our turn, all the while strolling around in the boring shopping center near the location. Passport was then delivered by post within a week.
Dear Leo Th. Of course you are not alone in a metropolis like Bangkok, so this is certainly no different at the passport division there.
Considering the 200 waiting, and the fact that the procedure was arranged in a good half day, I think it's actually not too bad.
Incidentally, if someone does not happen to be dependent on Bangkok, there are many passport divisions spread across the country where things go significantly faster.
I always accompany my wife in Chiang Rai at the passport division, where it takes no more than an hour for everything to be arranged.
Moreover, if someone in the Netherlands wants to arrange this personally at the Thai consulate, if he/she lives in the North or East of the country, apart from the fact that it is also more expensive, the application will certainly not be completed faster.
For entering Thailand, she even has enough with her Thai ID card.
Dear Adentuean,
As Jan says, your wife can even enter Thailand with her Thai ID card.
In principle, this is also possible with her expired Thai passport.
To avoid problems when checking in, simply leave with (show) a Dutch passport.
If she enters Thailand with her Dutch passport, she will also be considered Dutch (and the associated visa requirements...)
Have a good trip,
just ask at the counter at BKK airport, immigration is normally aware that she has 2 PP.
We always show my wife's 2 PP upon departure at Schiphol,
At customs she travels with NL PP
In BKK she travels with Thai PP
So your wife asks in BKK if she can enter Thailand with the expired PP
If so, the stamp will be added that she is back in Thailand and then she can apply for a new PP
And when she goes back to NL she will receive a new exit stamp.
If she is not allowed to enter, she can always enter Thailand with her NL PP, but a maximum stay of 30 days.
Of course she has to go back to NL on her NL PP due to exit stamp
Last time, by the way, my wife renewed her PP in Pattaya 2nd road diagonally opposite Lek hotel.
Tha avenue I thought
Dear Adentuean,
If the Dutch passport is still valid for more than half a year, the trip will not be a problem.
If the Thai passport is about to expire, I would quickly make an appointment at the Thai Embassy.
You will have sent this passport back home from Thailand within three weeks.
Fixed all issues, regarding the loss of Nationality does not apply.
Yours faithfully,
Erwin
Thailand prohibits dual citizenship. Embassies do not pass it on to Thailand if a Thai acquires a foreign nationality. Of course, it can come true if a Thai in the airport in Thailand hands over his foreign passport.
Thailand does not prohibit this.
“Dual citizenship
Thai women taking their spouses nationality:
Prior to the 3rd revision to the Thai nationality act in 1992, Thai women who did take up the nationality of their foreign spouse did automatically lose their Thai citizenship.
However, Section 13 of the current act effectively allows a person in this situation to keep both nationalities, and Thai citizenship is only lost if she makes a formal request for renunciation.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_nationality_law
Thailand's Nationality Act BE 2508
As amended by Acts BE 2535 No. 2 and 3 (1992)
Chapter 2: Loss of Thai Nationality
Section 13. Thai Wife Marrying Foreign Spouse
A woman of Thai nationality who marries an alien and may acquire the nationality of her husband according to the nationality law of her husband, shall, if she desires to renounce Thai nationality, make a declaration of her intention before the competent official according to the form and in the manner prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations.
http://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/nationality-act-loss-of-thai-nationality-sections-13-22/
As you can read”…if she desires to renounce Thai nationality….if she herself decides to renounce her Thai nationality.
My wife is traveling to Thailand on her Thai passport, otherwise she must have a visa;
Back on her Dutch passport, and yes otherwise she must have a visa.
Incorrect Eugene. This topic has come up many times, I left it alone with the idea: there will be three of the same correct answers and that's it. Maybe one with attribution (completely unimportant, but apparently I have a fetish 555). I am therefore surprised by the many reactions.
Answer to the question:
A Thai always enters Thailand on presentation of a valid or expired Thai passport or ID. You show this to the migration service, the customs authorities do a goods/suitcase check. Arrange for the new passport once you have entered the country.
How do you travel with 2 nationalities/passports?
Out of Europe and back in Europe in the Dutch (or Belgian, or other EU) passport. Thailand in and out on Thai pass, expired or not. For example, you always report at the border with the nationality that is most favorable at that border. When you leave the border, you use the same nationality as you entered.
Lose Thai nationality?
Exceptional but not impossible. Thailand does not officially recognize a second nationality, nor do they forbid it. You may renounce your Thai nationality.
“Nationality Act, (No.4), BE 2551 (=year 2008)
Chapter 2. Loss of Thai Nationality.
(...)
Section 13.
A man or a woman of Thai nationality who marries an alien and may acquire the nationality of the wife or the husband according to law on nationality of his wife
or her husband may, If he or she desires to renounce Thai nationality, make a declaration of his or her intention before the competent official according to the form and in the manner prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations.”
Source: http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/506c08862.pdf
See also: https://www.thailandblog.nl/lezersvraag/thaise-nationaliteit-verliezen/
Lose Dutch Nationality?
Sometimes. Officially, the Netherlands does not allow multiple nationality. But there are exceptions. For example, if a foreigner (read Thai) is married to a Dutchman. Or, for example, if loss of nationality would have disproportionate consequences due to loss of inheritance rights, land ownership, etc.
Sources:
- https://www.thailandblog.nl/achtergrond/nederlandse-nationaliteit-automatisch-verliezen/
- https://www.thailandblog.nl/lezersvraag/dubbele-nationaliteit-thais-nederlands-en-weigering-verlenging-nederlands-paspoort/
– IND website
Can this not be extended at the Thai embassy?
This can be done within 3 weeks, otherwise she must have a visa.
Apply for a new Thai passport at the Thai embassy.