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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Can you buy employment in Thailand?
Reader question: Can you buy employment in Thailand?
Dear readers,
Ask the Thailand experts here. I have heard in the corridors that when Thai people have finished their studies, let's take a teacher as an example, they are not just hired with an application, but that large sums are paid to get the job. 200K Bant would be no exception.
Is this nonsense or the reality in Thailand, and does this happen regularly?
Regards,
Rudolf
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Rudolf, these are things that stay 'under water' so whether it happens regularly will not be shown by statistics. But like you, I've heard of it.
In Thailand everything revolves around money. Hirings, promotions, extra favors. This is how sons and daughters of wealthy families receive their diplomas and later jobs and positions. In this way, senior officials in the civil service, police and army move a step higher on the Thai social ladder. Besides money, origin is important as well as the ranking of influential families and clans.
I have been a teacher for 15 years now at a university where mainly rich kids study. They don't just get their diploma, although few fail exams. Their later jobs and positions have much more to do with their networks (clans). They do not pay for this, but there is patronage and cronyism.
It is therefore not directly but indirectly about money and power.
We have an acquaintance who has a high position at the Phuket police.
Was he allowed to put down 3 million baths for it.
3 guesses how he will earn it back.
Is what Chris says correct, but to get a government position you have to buy it, you want to end up well if you don't have a strong network. Especially with the police. Or that happens at schools?, I have not come across it at the Christian school ( not state) on which my daughter was sitting. Inquired, they looked at me in surprise.
I am 100% sure that my Thai brother-in-law's compulsory military service was bought off by my father-in-law.
As mentioned above, everything can be arranged with the necessary money under the table, especially in Thailand. If you have the necessary money you can certainly (mis)use this. These are not corridor stories. Sometimes corruption also has its advantages if you ask me 🙂
My girlfriend's brother bought off his military service for 8 Baht 30.000 years ago.
Indeed, many jobs have to be paid. The costs then depend on how much can be earned or additionally earned in that position. A job at the police or customs is expensive because there are many opportunities for extra income there.
Have heard from a lady that she paid 600.000 baht for her son for an administrative job with the army. In principle, he has that job for life. Seems like a good investment…. TIT.
…. He also had the right training for the job.
A short but powerful response: In Thailand (almost) everything is for sale!
love too?
Even pretend love is for sale, as we all know. This is of course not only visible in Thailand, but money opens doors and many are charmed by it or lack it.
Sex and affection, anyway. But according to my wife, a Cambodian soul in search of economic security, like so many in poor countries, “love comes slowly”.
If you offer this to a woman in Thailand, you can go a long way in terms of love.
We are now 13 years later, have 1 child and are very happy together.
My wife has absolute integrity in her work, labor officer.
When a few years ago there were 4 jobs to be forgiven, she was allowed to get involved
Well, sometimes you suddenly change jobs, it turns out in Thailand.
So there is no HR there. She made the first selection based on the application letter.
On these 4 job opportunities, she had to process about 2000 applications.
So there is no money involved. However, what happens next, decision boss, is another story?
Can imagine that with some money, things in Thailand will work out more favorably for an applicant. TIT
Yes, this is normal if you want a job in the government. Paid every month and a pension.
My stepson's wife had a civil service position in Thailand. When she went to the Netherlands, her parents invested an amount of 500.000 baht to keep her position for 5 years afterwards. It may cost a bit.
Corruption is “the middle name” of almost every civil servant. My wife had been eligible to nationalize as Thai for 7 or 8 years. Language fluent, recommendations from Thai friends, Thai family etc.
After paying a sum to the office manager at Amphur, we had a chat with the boss of the town hall. He showed a pile of 250 files of people who were allowed to nationalize. He was allowed to send 25 to Bangkok each year for recommendation. He took my wife's file, held it first to the top, then to the bottom of the stack with the words, "up to you."
2 months later, and 10,000 euros lighter later, she finally got Thai nationality. The rest is history.
This also happens at banks, because the family of a prospective bank employee is sometimes asked to store their savings, etc. at the bank where the applicant will be working.
You often see that not always the smartest people work behind the counters at banks.
If Daddy is wealthy and his son or daughter wants a job there, Daddy will change banks if necessary.
A cousin of my spouse is a Katoey and they certainly don't like conscription, that's why my spouse's brother, the father of the Katoey, sold a buffalo to buy his son free, it worked.
Now he works at a branch of a large bank in Thailand and after only starting there they regularly came to my door asking if I wanted to switch banks.
So I say I'm not participating in this, I'm satisfied with my own bank branch and why should I also go to a branch that is far from my hometown.
I therefore think that a lot of money is made with this form of corruption, with the major disadvantage that you never get the good and capable people in the place where they should be.
Perhaps also one of the main reasons that Thailand never gets a step further,
Jan Beute.
We know a young lady who wanted to start as a nurse in a hospital in Udon Thani, but she was only allowed to do so after first paying 70.000 baht under the table. She didn't have enough money so she didn't get a job.
I have met many Thais who have paid money to get a certain position. The amount of money they have to pay depends of course on the position they have applied for and the salary they earn with the position. But they must also have the qualities that the position entails. For that money they get a contract for many years and often good health insurance. Thailand still corrupt? Yes for sure. Personally, I know someone from a “fortunately” wealthy family who has killed someone drunk behind the wheel. Bought off death with 1 million baht to the “fairly poor family” as compensation for the loss and received 120 hours of community service. In short, everything can be bought or bought in Thailand if you have enough bath. Thailand is still a country where the legal system depends on how much money you are willing to pay to not end up in jail for years. And if you don't have the money, you will also end up in jail for years. Will anything change in that area in the near future? I don't think so myself.
Coincidentally, after a speech by parliamentarian Rome, the hashtag #ตั๋วช้าง (tǒewa cháang, elephant card) was trending. This is about buying better positions within the police and military. Can't find an English article so 1-2-3 yet. A brief explanation on Twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/lamondonews/status/1362791646673260544
https://www.khaosodenglish.com/politics/2021/02/20/govt-seeks-to-slap-mp-with-royal-insult-charge-for-debate-expose/
https://www.thaienquirer.com/24498/rangsiman-rome-presents-evidence-of-elephant-ticket-police-corruption/
https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%B1%E0%B9%8B%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%8A%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%87
Thanks Theo, I came across TE's article later in the evening, Khaosod also managed to report something about it today (but notes on Facebook that details have been omitted in order not to get into criminal trouble).
Rome just gave a nearly two-hour live broadcast where he elaborated on the corrupt practices of law enforcement officials. My Thai is not yet sufficient to understand everything, but I understood the end clearly. He slowed down and was clearly emotionally touched. He said that he would fight together for a better society. He about this at the end:
“my beloved brothers and sisters, compatriots (..) today is the most dangerous day in my life so far. Before I was an MP I was an activist and could have ended up in jail. That didn't feel nearly as dangerous as this today. I don't know what will happen to me in the coming days. I don't know whether I will still be a parliamentarian in 3 months. But whatever happens, I will not regret representing the people. I represent my brothers and sisters (countrymen). I mean that sincerely. Thank you"
https://www.facebook.com/MoveForwardPartyThailand/videos/268175534696308