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Home » Reader question » Reader Question: Can I legally get an annual visa in Thailand?
Hello editorial,
I have a question I made my last visa run last week and it is valid until October 17, I have a replay for four times. I make the visa run in Nong Kai through an agent there and go to the border by car and then have another 3 months I have a Non immigration 0.
There they offered me a new year visa with four times a run. For this I have to provide documents such as copies of my passport and marriage papers 3 weeks before the 17th of October. I would then be able to travel freely in and out of Thailand. She told me that this is valid only the costs were high: 20.000 THB.
If it is correct, I do not have to go back to the Netherlands for a new annual visa at the Thai consulate.
Can you give me more information about this? I don't believe in it myself but she told me no problem everything goes official. Who has heard more about it.
With kind regards,
Willem
Hello.
Went to the immigration office in Udon last week with my girlfriend.
Needed, a Non Immigration O visa. And then after 3 months back to the immigration office.
If married, 400.000 baht to an account in Thai bank.
Not married, 800.000 baht in an account in Thai bank.
Or combination of monthly income + account bank that together reach the requested amount.
Have monthly income validated at the embassy in Bangkok.
Letter from the bank confirming this. With passport and photo and just over 5000 baht to immigration office, then you get annual visa multi entry.
Very clear explanation.
Still have a question though:
1) The money that must be on an account is this money that must have been officially exchanged and transferred from abroad or can you simply put the money on
Cash deposited money in a Thai bank.
2) does this have to be an account that can be in both names (am married to a Thai woman) or does this have to be in my name only??
The bank account must be in YOUR name only. In addition, the money must have been on it for 3 months, without account movement. Beyond that, you need a written confirmation from your bank (takes 3-7 days = depends on your bank) that the balance is also correct. I never heard. that 20.000 Baht is an official Thai amount for this VISA transaction. They also tried to glue me with 16.000 Baht for the same thing you are planning now. However, I had the phone number of the foreign police in Bangkok with me. When I told him that I wanted to call him to see if his information was correct, he shrugged. I think a return flight to the Netherlands is more expensive at 30-35.000 Baht. All other information can be found on the site of the Thai foreigh affair (Thai foreign affairs) and the Thai embassy in the Netherlands. Good luck
You are right, but it would be even clearer if you broke it down: in Huahin you do not need 800000 in your bank if you can prove that you have more than B.65000 per month (accountant's statement and confirmation from the Dutch Embassy). You then it comes to B.780000, no further fuss is made about that. Then the approximately B.5000, which is B1900,- for the retirement visa and B.3800,- for your multiple entry and you have to apply for that separately. A single entry costs B.1900. Furthermore, you do not have to leave the country and you have to get a note every 90 days that they staple in your passport. Been doing this for 8 years without any problems.
hello joe,
The most important thing is that you are over 50 years old and have a fixed income!
At the immigration office eg here in Jomtien they give you necessary information.
They did this to me too!
I then paid 1900 Bath for a one - year visa and 1400 Bath for the confirmation of my salary at the embassy .
Only I have to report to the immigration office every 90 days.
There you get another extension for the next 90 days (free)
Succes
What they offered you has a bad smell believe me, 20.000THB?
Never heard or read of such high amounts.
The best thing you can do is to personally report to immigration (preferably in Bangkok where they are all in all well informed) and follow up on what they propose to you there.
That's all you can do and then you at least know with certainty that your visa is in order and that you won't be scammed.
But I wonder why so many people apply for an O visa and not a (much simpler in use) OA visa.
With an OA visa you do not have to cross the border every 3 months (visa run) but only fill in a document TM.90 every 47 days and get an extension “stamp” (Receipt of Notification) (free) and you are done kees…
Very correct what you write Roland.
The price of a Visa O Multiple entry and a Visa OA is the same, i.e. 130 Euro.
Visa OA allows you unlimited travel in and out of Thailand during the validity period of the visa. Every time you enter you get a stamp for a year. If you calculate it correctly, you can stay in Thailand for 2 years with that Visa. Simply enter and leave Thailand the day before the end of the validity date of the visa and you will receive another stamp for one year.
However, a problem has arisen to obtain the OA in the last 2 years.
I had an OA that I applied for at the Consulate in Antwerp.
From January 2012, people suddenly did not want to issue this OA because it is being abused too much (?).
So I was also obliged somewhere to switch to a Visa O multiple entry, which resulted in the necessary inconvenience (visa runs).
I have spoken to the Consul about this and asked for the reason.
So he told me that there was too much abuse, but did not want to elaborate when I asked him what that abuse consisted of. (Are they referring to that 2 year stay?)
He did say that the requirements to obtain the Visa OA have become stricter and he mentioned the medical certificate in particular.
In the past, a doctor's statement from the GP was sufficient, but now you have to visit a doctor who was appointed by the Thai Embassy.
As a result, the application time - 2 years ago it was still a few days - would now be several weeks and also because the applications for an OA Visa are now sent to Thailand for approval.
He told me to view the visa runs every 3 months as a family trip…
Not a nice answer. He views it as an excursion, I view it as an inconvenience that makes my Visa at least twice as expensive.
I will not mention the costs if I make it a trip of a few days with the wife .
Well, I just left it at that and thought my own of it.
After this visa has expired, I will have it extended in Thailand with Multiple Re-Entry and I will be rid of those visa runs again.
Willem,
Someone who wants to earn a lot of money from you,
When you are 50 years or older, a retirement visa is the easiest way, an income of more than 800.000 bht per year is the requirement, have an income statement validated at the embassy, a few passport photos and a valid passport, preferably longer valid for more than 16 months, 1900 bht for a one-year visa and if you plan to leave the country, a re-entry permit for 1000 bht or a multiple re-entry for 3000 bht, your visa is arranged within 15 minutes . Good luck!
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If you already have a non-immigrant O, it is no problem in Pattaya, for example, to apply for a retirement visa at a visa office. Whether it's legal or not, I don't know, but I've done it that way, without the required 800.000 baht. Was arranged in 2 days. Cost 15.000b. Don't you have non imm. Oh then there will be another 10.000b. In the meantime I went to the immigration office for my 90 day stamp and no problem at all.
I don't recognize this story.
Go somewhere to a visa office and not have 800000 THB in your bank account. And yet being issued a retirement visa for one year smells like corruption.
Maybe someone within the Thai emigration has a boyfriend who can arrange something of that kind, but I wouldn't be surprised.
I do not like this , do it legally as it should be .
If there are objections to something , I will certainly open my mouth .
Had too many Thai bank accounts last year.
You must have 800000 Thb on one account, I was told at the Emigration in Chiangmai.
I had many times more than this, and was very angry about it
So did my wife and she supported my story.
Later they kept their mouths shut .
It was difficult for them to control this, she said later.
My wife says it's better to borrow for 3 months from a friend or something like that.
In other words, how do you cheat emigration in Thailand.
Mvg Jantje from Pasang.
As usual, different and sometimes incorrect information.
It is best to get the information from the official authorities / website.
Incidentally, the info from Djoe is correct with the addition that you must be 50 plus (800000 on the bank) or legally married to a Thai (400000 on the bank).
So I don't think an annual income of 400000 or 800000 baht is required, but that amount simply has to be in the bank.
If you meet the requirements, it will never cost you 15000 or 20000 baht….
Henk
It's simple in terms of the amount.
Reference amount is 400 000 (mariage) or 800 000 Baht in all other cases.
Actually, it doesn't really matter how you get there.
Bank receipt (as you mentioned) or a minimum income of those amounts or, and you forgot, a combination of those.
All other ways to get this extension of your Visa O are actually illegal.
No, Henk Udon: you must either have a monthly income of B65000 or B800000 in the bank or a combination of both, which would then amount to approximately B800000. It could not be clearer.
Ronnie, Roland,
You call it Non OA visa. I forgot what the difference is with non O, but if I understand correctly, a non O is valid for three months and a non OA is valid for one year?
But once in Thailand you have to convert it to a, say, regular visa, such as marriage or retirement? (the official name is different, I know).
With a non O you go to Immigration before the end of the three months and convert it into eg Marriage visa and then you never have to do a visa run.
I therefore see no advantage of a non OA, but I may be overlooking something.
I know there is a lot of confusion regarding the types of visas, and I must admit that it is not always easy to make sense of it for someone who is confronted with it for the first time.
But dear Henk, you are wrong in your distinction between O and OA.
You can obtain both for the duration of one year.
The main distinction is “the 3-monthly ritual”, ie you must take an action every 90 days to be in order. With an O visa this means that you have to cross the border every 90 days (what they call a visa run) the stamp you get in your passport allows you to keep your visa valid for the next 90 days.
It's different with a visa OA, you don't have to do a visa run at all, just drop by the nearest immigration office and fill in a form TM.47 (can be done at home beforehand because the form is easy to download) hand in this form and there will be handed you a certificate so that you are okay. There is no stamp or anything in your passport. This is also registered in their computer system.
It costs you nothing and (if you're lucky) you're out again in 15 minutes.
I don't know that the OA would no longer be awarded.
I am surprised because I know someone to whom it was awarded in July 2012.
Indeed, the price for an O and an OA is the same, 130 euros.
All those cowboy stories with immensely high amounts take place in the dark twilight zone where a lot of money is involved by all kinds of "intermediaries" who supposedly do you a favor. But the best thing is to stay far away from that. When push comes to shove you are not in order with the established rules and you can get into big (expensive) problems. Be very careful with that.
Roland,
Little to add and correct information as it should be on TB.
However, there is a difference between a Visa O and a Visa O multiple entry
Visa O entitles you to 1 entry and a stay of 90 days.
A Visa O multiple entry entitles you to multiple entries during one year, but with a maximum stay of 90 days at a time.
I also agree that there are often cowboy stories about getting a Visa.
My experience is that people often do not provide the necessary papers.
As for the person who got another OA in July –
It may well be, if he has taken the time to go through the entire procedure. By the way, you don't say where he submitted his application.
My story concerns Consulate Antwerp.
In any case, you do provide the correct information to TB and that is what this is about.
Yes Ronny, I think it will disappoint you and that you will feel frustrated again (rightly so) but also that OA visa of that acquaintance of mine was issued in July 2012 in Antwerp.
If I read correctly, we are already talking about an OA in Antwerp twice, according to the classic conditions that existed before January 2012.
I do not understand why things were different at the time of your application in Antwerp-Berchem, very strange…
Roland, William
I think I have something to set right.
After looking at my passport again (I felt something was wrong and should have checked it earlier) it turns out that the Viusum O was awarded this year in January 2013 (valid until 2014)
So last year I had an OA myself.
I was wrong about the year – My apologies for the stupid mistake.
However, I am curious whether OA visas were issued in 2013 (now the correct year). If you know someone, I would like to know which procedure he exactly followed.
Maybe WIMOL will renew its OA in November/December and he can let us know the result?
I don't understand why you have to pay so much. A friend of mine also thought he was smart and had it arranged through a lawyer, who charged me 20.000 baht for it. However, he still had to go to Bangkok to have his income confirmed.
I did the following: went to the immigration office and asked what I needed and said what I wanted: I am over 55 and would like to be able to travel in and out of Thailand more often. So: a non-immigrant O visa with multiple entry. I have to get a stamp every three months, can go outside Thailand as many times as I want and the whole thing has cost me 7500 baht. I had my (German) income confirmed at the Dutch Embassy. This also cost, I believe, another 1500 baht. (this friend also had to pay extra).
With the confirmation of income and the application, everything was well arranged. Besides, my papers were not looked at once. Both at the Dutch embassy and the immigration service. But I did have proof of my monthly income.
When the year is almost over, I just go back to the immigration office and ask how things are going.
I do this in Hua Hin. The immigration service is moving or has already moved. When I got there, there was a small office to the right of the main office. There are three women who can explain exactly what you need and how much it will cost.
When you enter the large office, you already have everything ready. It may be that you sometimes need one or the other copy, but you can quickly have it made outside the door.
When I read the stories here on the blog, it seems complicated to me, but if you do it on the spot and also take your time with you (as a pensioner you do have it, I think), it's not difficult.
Dear Roland and Ronny,
Thanks for the good explanation regarding O and OA.
But I now have the impression that the validity period and extension are relevant for those who cannot or do not want to obtain Marriage or Retirement?
In other words, if your goal is to obtain a marriage visa, it is best to start by applying for a non-O and convert it into a Marriage visa in TH within 90 days?
After that, you must report to Immigration every 90 days, but no visa runs are required.
Henk
Each must take the Visa that best suits their situation.
People sometimes have a certain reason to take a certain Visa.
Sometimes it doesn't seem logical to an outsider and it only becomes that once you know the reason.
Of course, if you plan to stay here, you do not need an O Multiple Entry and an O Single Entry is sufficient to have it extended on the basis of marriage or retirement.
Marriage or Retirement visa as it is called is actually an extension of a Visa O.
The reason for extension is Marriage or Retirement.
Your visa will therefore not be converted but extended.
I have no knowledge of the term "marriage visa", the first time I hear of that term.
But as far as I know, an OA visa IS the same as a “Retirement Visa”! That is what I have heard for a long time from people everywhere with knowledge of the matter, farangs and Thais.
Understandable because a Marriage or Retirement visa does not exist.
(see my previous comment)
It is called that but actually it is a one year extension on a Visa O based on marriage or retirement.
Retirement can be taken broadly because you don't really have to be retired.
For Thai regulations, someone over the age of 50 is considered a pensioner.
By the way, you cannot get a visa in Thailand. You can only obtain a visa for Thailand abroad. The airport is an exception to this.
As far as the consulate in Antwerp is concerned, there is of course the possibility that people have switched to the old application system again. I'm certainly not going to let that rest.
That B.20000 for an annual visa smells like illegality. I know that happens in Huahin too. There are a lot of people walking around who I know are not even 50 and are here all the time.
Have an OA visa issued in Berchem Antwerp in the month of November 2012 and valid until 09/11/2013 without special questions or papers with proof of the family doctor and the necessary documents, proof of marriage certificate, good behavior, etc. without a problem.
Wimol
I also had the right papers and already had an OA visa in the past.
So there is no reason to convert an OA into an O on that basis.
It is good to know that he issued an OA to you in November 2012 based on the "old" application system, because apparently this is back in effect since you applied it.
On my next visit to the consulate I will present this to him and ask him why in January 2012 all questions for an OA (I was not the only one there that day) were refused, ie everyone only received an O instead of an OA, he then sent me tells a story about doctor's certificates, only to then issue an OA again in November according to the application system that has been in force for years.
Thanks for the info.
Greetings to all,
There appear to be quite a few differences depending on the competent immigration office, I learned from conversations with other expats, and now also through this newsletter.
I myself have a retirement visa and am married to a Thai.
I entered with a Non-O multiple entry (1 year) visa. At the immigration office in Udon Thani they told me that I first had to cross the border 2 times for a 3-month extension and that I could only then apply for my retirement visa.
I needed an income certificate for a minimum of 65 Baht per month, issued and legalized by the embassy (Belgian) on the basis of a statement from the agency that pays the pension, money in the bank was not a requirement. The cost of this fluctuates around 000 Baht. You don't have to go to Bangkok, you can do it by post (EMS). This income proof must be renewed every year!
Furthermore, in addition to the copies of all pages of the passport, the completed application form and the 2 passport photos according to the specified format, I also needed a copy of my yellow address book (+ the original to show to the official), and a self-signed card, on which the way from your home to the immigration office must be marked. A simple sketch is sufficient, it doesn't have to be a Google maps-like situation. In addition, my wife also had to act as guarantor and co-sign, of course also accompanied by the necessary copies of identity and address. No wonder that so much is being built in Thailand to house all those papers…
Everything went well, cost 1900 Baht for 1 year. The official therefore discreetly pointed to a jar on his or her desk, in which my wife then deposited 100 Baht. Some immigrants, for example from Laos, usually bring a lunch or some other food for the immigration officer.
Check every 90 days, cost: free. But the jar is always on the desk of course.
You also have to report this if you want to leave the country for a while, but I have no experience with this yet.
Regards,
Erwin V.V
Hello Erwin, I have now traveled out of the country twice without signing out. Nothing was said about it and my visa is still valid. My duty to report again in September has not changed either.
Just to clarify, visa requires 800.000 or a combination of income and bank
and must be fixed on the account 3 months before application, so and-and.
A marriage visa requires 400.000 or 40.000 income per month, so either-or a combination of up to 400.000 is not allowed and must be fixed for 2 months.
I recently experienced this myself and so had a problem.
Quickly topped up the money to 400.000 and explained it to the boss of immigration in Pattaya and he was very friendly and allowed it even though the money was only in the account for 1 day.
Bank account must be in 1 name.
Dear Happyman, how can you claim that you must have money in the account or a combination of income and money? I had no account when I applied for my visa, but I did have an income. So no combination. Only monthly income! And that was enough.
Dear Sjaak, read here and there on this blog: the income requirements are either 65000 ThB per month, or 800000 ThB in the bank, and if neither is sufficient, a combination of monthly income and money in the bank, (e.g. 12 x 40000 plus 400000. With which the 800000 is amply achieved.) Combination of ink + bank balance is therefore possible.
The amount of 400000 ThB in the bank is already sufficient for a so-called 'marriage' visa.
Exactly, KhunRudolf, not as Happyman claims. You can combine, have the money in an account or have enough income. So actually quite a wide choice. If my opinion counts, also an understandable demand. Someone who wants to live with less does not contribute much to the financing of the Thai state economy. And that's what it's all about, isn't it?
Dear scarf,
You are absolutely right , my explanation was not complete .
Thanks for the addition
For editors
Actually, we are no longer answering Willem's question.
(I'm guilty of this too)
Visa and everything related to it is, as we can read, often a subject that provokes many reactions.
I suggest, just like we did with insurance/long-term absence, to write an article in the form of a Q&A with a link that goes into more detail about each visa.
I will be back on Aug 20 and put myself forward as a candidate to draw up this and then follow the same path as we did with the insurance/long-term absence.
If you think this is a good idea, just give us a call
@ Ronny LadPhrao Yes, I think that's a good idea. I suggest that you first make a Q&A to visualize the problems and only then write the underlying article after a few readers have given their opinion. Who wants to join? Sign up via [email protected].
Dick,
Good.
When I get back I'll start.
I will keep in touch about this via your email.
That is a very good proposal and can remove many ambiguities and also avoid unnecessary postings
@ Henk Udon The first co-reader has now reported. After August 20, Ronny will work on a Q&A with the most frequently asked questions about visas. Behind it we hang a document with all the information. The short answers contain a reference to the relevant passage in the document. If you also want to read along, send an email to [email protected].
I'm going to Belgium soon and when I come back I always ask for a new OA visa, with the following papers
Evidence of marriage certificate
proof of good conduct
doctor's certificate
proof of income
Before my marriage I had an O visa but then I had to leave the country every 90 days.
OA visa is much easier, just go to immigration in Dan Kwian and rest assured for 90 days, and free.
Dear Wimol,
Why don't you apply for an extension of an O visa based on marriage or retirement?
You can renew it annually and then you have to report to the local Immigration every 90 days, but you do not have to leave the country.
Then you don't have to go to Belgium every time to apply for a new OA, do you?
It's starting to get a bit tiring!
Once again it appears that some readers do not read the good comments carefully.
With an O visa you MUST leave the country every 90 days! What they call a visa run.
As far as the OA visa is concerned, the relevant Immigration services in Bangkok (Chaeng Wattana) say that this can also be extended in Thailand, apparently you do not have to leave the country for this. If this information is wrong, then they are also wrong with the competent services and even in the largest immigration office in the country. Which I don't think though.
Roland, I agree with you. It is tiring. There are people here who really don't know how everything works with that VISA. That is understandable. But that is also due to the fact that a lot of confusing and inaccurate information is given here by those who think they know it. It's that simple, if you want and can read and you go to the site of the embassy or emigration or aliens police. Everything is black and white there. Once more. Roland you are right and that for 200%. Kind regards
Just let people ask their questions and make comments. Nothing wrong with that. Things just become clearer. E.g. regarding this subject. The result of all the questioning is once again the conclusion that it is a confusing matter because there are so many interpretations possible. And an even more important result thanks to questions and comments: there is now an initiative by someone who takes the trouble to bundle as many questions and answers as possible into a Q&A section. Can only be praised, right? That's the advantage of a blog like this, and I would advise people that if all that googling doesn't work out for them, to keep posting their questions and comments. For those who find it tiring: don't read it and get back to business as usual.
@RonnieLadPrao: thanks in advance for the effort. Regards, Rudolf
Wimol
The application is not the problem because I already had an OA in the past because I also received it based on my marriage.
What interests me now is whether you will get an OA in Antwerp next time.
Keep us informed.
Henk Udon,
As I wrote before, everyone must take the visa that suits him.
Wimol probably has his reasons, just like me, why we choose OA.
Roland,
It can get tiring. Questions about visas always provoke many responses.
I go to Belgium at least once a year anyway to arrange all kinds of things and to visit family.
The application for the AO visa in Belgium has never caused me any problems. I provide the necessary papers and a few days later I can pick it up.
With O visa you have to do a visa run every 90 days.
It's a pity if people find it tiring to read posts (properly).
I don't think I claimed that an O visa is valid for a year without visa runs.
My starting point is to live in Thailand soon with my family and to stay there.
The NL Embassy has told me that the best way is as follows:
Apply for a non-O (single entry) in NL, which is valid for 3 months after entering Thailand
(this is simpler, less requirements and cheaper than an annual visa).
Once in Thailand, apply for an extension visa based on Marriage.
This is then valid for one year, during which you must report to Immigration every 90 days.
No visa runs are then required.
I don't remember what this visa is officially called, maybe OA.
I understand that Roland and Wimol, for example, have already applied for an annual OA visa several times directly in Belgium, for reasons of their own.
It is not clear to me why they make this choice, because in my opinion this is always accompanied by administrative hassle and costs.
Everyone makes their own choice and I absolutely do not want to suggest that it is a wrong choice.
I am only curious about it because the theme is current for me and it can help me make the right choice.
It looks like you have little experience with the administrative hassle in Thailand. Me personally not for the reason that I always apply for my visa in Belgium
That means to the doctor. (I'm going anyway)
The town hall (marriage certificate and proof of good conduct)
And proof of my income, which I have to find out because in the past this was behind the corner at the health insurance fund, but now I'm retired.
Just go to the consulate, fill in a piece of paper and pick it up a few days later.
Here in Thailand I only have to get a stamp every 90 days, which is usually not too bad since everything is on a computer these days.
Before applying for a visa here in Thailand I am a bit afraid because of the problems my friends and acquaintances have already experienced here and as I said I go to Belgium regularly.
Dear Erwin VV and Djoe,
In a while I also have to go to the Immigration in Udonthani.
I would like to ask you something about this.
Would you like to email me at [email protected]?
Thanks in advance
We close this discussion. Thanks everyone for their contribution.