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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Stranded in the Netherlands and getting married here
Dear readers,
I have a question about marrying my girlfriend. My girlfriend is stranded in the Netherlands due to the corona virus. She had come here on a 90-day Schengen visa. She would fly back to Thailand after these 90 days, but the corona threw a spanner in the works. Our plans were that I would go to Thailand in January 2021 and then we would get married.
Now we have changed our plans and want to get married in the Netherlands (because she cannot return for the time being). Does anyone know what documents she needs to get married in the Netherlands?
And are there disadvantages or advantages to our plan?
Regards,
Ruud
No offense, but a Thai can just go back to Thailand in the meantime, right?
very simple. Can be for more than a month. You will now receive a note for overstay. This dear gentleman has a big problem when his Thai lover returns home…
thank you very much for the info.
The IND gave us an extra 90 days, and that was until July 16, 2020.
If the departure were later due to the corona, customs in NL would not be difficult, because they know the situation. So he didn't know about Thai customs, but this gentleman from the IND made a note in the computer that I had called.
Reading this, we think it would be better to wait before getting married, and that she first just goes back to Thailand.
We are still waiting for the KLM voucher, because that is also a whole email back and forth.
We don't have just 700 euros to call the Thai embassy that will arrange her return.
I will also contact the IND again tomorrow about how I should act.
Once again thank you very much everyone.
Ruud.
In the first place, this posting starts with a falsehood: a Thai can return to Thailand for a long time. It is clear from this self-posted response that there is simply a financial problem that prevents your girlfriend from returning to Thailand: not enough money to pay for a return flight…. I think that 'customs', both in the Netherlands and Thailand, has nothing to do with that. The Douna only checks imported and exported goods at the border.
Until July 16 is now a big month overstay. And I wouldn't assume that customs in NL are not difficult because they know the situation if there is more than a month of overstay. And nice that the gentleman from the IND made a note of it but called you, but that doesn't matter if her visa expires on July 16.
What I also find strange is that you would have money to get married but not 700 euros for her return.
And if you have had contact with the IND, would you mind posting that as I am curious what their response is? Perhaps we are all wrong with our advice.
The town hall of the municipality where you want to get married can tell you exactly which documents you need to submit that are required to conclude a marriage between a Dutch person and a “foreigner”.
I am sure that your girlfriend will have to go to Thailand first to request / collect those documents.
In principle, that is not necessary. A friend of ours had all the necessary documents collected, translated and legalized by her sister, who collected them for her. Even the certificate issued by the police was possible without her being there herself.
I think it's enough to just give power of attorney to a third person. Much more is possible in Thailand than here. A declaration of honor is taken very seriously and always accepted.
thank you very much for the info.
The IND gave us an extra 90 days, and that was until July 16, 2020.
If the departure were later due to the corona, customs in NL would not be difficult, because they know the situation. So he didn't know about Thai customs, but this gentleman from the IND made a note in the computer that I had called.
Reading this, we think it would be better to wait before getting married, and that she first just goes back to Thailand.
We are still waiting for the KLM voucher, because that is also a whole email back and forth.
We don't have just 700 euros to call the Thai embassy that will arrange her return.
I will also contact the IND again tomorrow about how I should act.
Once again thank you very much everyone.
Ruud.
Hello Ruud,
It probably isn't your intention at this point, but I read somewhere that 70-80% of relationships end up breaking down.
If that were to come up (which no one hopes of course), then if you get married in the Netherlands you will be bound by Dutch law. If you get married in Thailand, you will have to deal with Thai law. You can find the possibilities/limitations of both on the internet. Good for orientating you Ruud and of course good luck.
Sake
thank you very much for the info.
The IND gave us an extra 90 days, and that was until July 16, 2020.
If the departure were later due to the corona, customs in NL would not be difficult, because they know the situation. So he didn't know about Thai customs, but this gentleman from the IND made a note in the computer that I had called.
Reading this, we think it would be better to wait before getting married, and that she first just goes back to Thailand.
We are still waiting for the KLM voucher, because that is also a whole email back and forth.
We don't have just 700 euros to call the Thai embassy that will arrange her return.
I will also contact the IND again tomorrow about how I should act.
Once again thank you very much everyone.
Ruud.
She is now in the Netherlands the best thing you can do is make an appointment with the civil registrar of your place of residence, he is the one who can (and may) decide whether you can get married and which translated letters you need.
To get married in the Netherlands you need:
– legal residence
– recent certificate of unmarried status, not older than 6 months, also officially translated into English / Dutch / German / French and Thai certificate plus translation legalized by the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA, more or less Foreign affairs and the Dutch embassy)
– birth certificate, plus official translation and legalization stamps by the Thai MFA and Dutch embassy. The official may want the extract and stamps to be no older than 6 months, although that is nonsense because nothing changes about a birth certificate anymore...
– possibly certificates of change of name if her year of birth is no longer the same as the name in her passport and certificate of unmarried status. Of course also translated etc.
The best option is to check with the civil registry and see whether your civil servant has any special (read: strange, nonsensical) requirements. General information about marrying a foreigner should be available on Rijksoverheid.nl and the website of your municipality.
Thank you very much Rob for the info.
The IND gave us an extra 90 days, and that was until July 16, 2020.
If the departure were later due to the corona, customs in NL would not be difficult, because they know the situation. So he didn't know about Thai customs, but this gentleman from the IND made a note in the computer that I had called.
Reading this, we think it would be better to wait before getting married, and that she first just goes back to Thailand.
We are still waiting for the KLM voucher, because that is also a whole email back and forth.
We don't have just 700 euros to call the Thai embassy that will arrange her return.
I will also contact the IND again tomorrow about how I should act.
Once again thank you very much everyone.
Ruud.
Legal residence is never necessary to get married. Because getting married is a human right.
However, getting married does not help to arrange your stay in the Netherlands. Married couples have it easier to do the so-called EU route. The latter is not possible in all Member States for unmarried persons.
To arrange for her stay in the Netherlands, she will have to take the integration exam and the NL partner will have to start the TEV-MVV procedure. In principle, she has to return to Bangkok at some point (preferably when she feels sufficiently prepared for the exam). But with a handy approach it can also be arranged that things can be arranged elsewhere (eg Berlin).
Thanks for the correction Prawo.
What the reason for getting married is not really clear from this post. Your girlfriend can simply return with the help of the Thai embassy. She can also stay – first with a one-off emergency visa extension. Then consult with the IND. Supplementary to what Sake says (Dutch law and Thai law) and probably superfluous. Even when you are married, your girlfriend must return to Thailand and successfully complete the integration exam there. After all, getting married is not a basis for obtaining a permanent residence permit
Dear Willem, thank you very much for the information.
The IND gave us an extra 90 days, and that was until July 16, 2020.
If the departure were later due to the corona, customs in NL would not be difficult, because they know the situation. So he didn't know about Thai customs, but this gentleman from the IND made a note in the computer that I had called.
Reading this, we think it would be better to wait before getting married, and that she first just goes back to Thailand.
We are still waiting for the KLM voucher, because that is also a whole email back and forth.
We don't have just 700 euros to call the Thai embassy that will arrange her return.
I will also contact the IND again tomorrow about how I should act.
Once again thank you very much everyone.
Ruud.
I don't want to be annoying, but every Thai can go home with repatriation for a long time. Call the Thai embassy and everything is set in motion. The costs are 700 euros and you can choose paid quarantine or free quarantine. I hope that you have made that effort and have proof of it. My wife left about a month ago and had to submit many documents to the Royal Military Police. Her original visa expired on May 21 and we received an extra 60 days from the IND in a letter with an explicit request to leave as soon as possible. If your partner is still in the Netherlands then I can guarantee you that you will have a huge problem when she returns... I really hope for your sake that you have a very, very good reason that she is still here. Returning to Thailand has been a piece of cake for more than a month now.
Dear Saa thank you very much for the info.
The IND gave us an extra 90 days, and that was until July 16, 2020.
If the departure were later due to the corona, customs in NL would not be difficult, because they know the situation. So he didn't know about Thai customs, but this gentleman from the IND made a note in the computer that I had called.
Reading this, we think it would be better to wait before getting married, and that she first just goes back to Thailand.
We are still waiting for the KLM voucher, because that is also a whole email back and forth.
We don't have just 700 euros to call the Thai embassy that will arrange her return.
I will also contact the IND again tomorrow about how I should act.
Once again thank you very much everyone.
Ruud.
As mentioned earlier, there is no obstacle whatsoever for Thai citizens to return to Thailand and indeed a Dutch marriage does not entitle you to permanent residence. The so-called civic integration exam (A2 level) must be taken in the country of origin. NB! from 1 January 2021 the A2 exam will expire and from that date the B2 level integration exam in the country of origin will be required to obtain an MVV. (An MVV visa or D visa is actually an entry visa and the full integration exam will then have to be taken within 3 years) Many Thai people (women) who made it through the ditch A2 will have much more trouble from January 1, 2021 have to do in order to meet the requirements to be able to settle in the Netherlands. If I had the choice I would first make sure that the exams are passed (preferably before January 1, 2021) before I got married, but everyone decides for themselves. A situation being married and you live in the Netherlands and your wife in Thailand does not seem like an ideal situation to me.
khunchai,
In my opinion, the Senate has not yet adopted the bill to amend the civic integration requirements. Only then can it become law.
After approval of the bill by the Senate, the integration requirements will be as of July 1, 2021 at the earliest:
– Basic civic integration exam, which is and remains level A1, must be taken at the Dutch embassy in the country of origin.
– The newcomer must have passed the Civic Integration Exam within 3 years of arriving in NL, the language requirements of which have been increased from A2 to B1.
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/inburgeren-in-nederland/plannen-kabinet-inburgeringsstelsel
https://www.eerstekamer.nl/behandeling/20200702/gewijzigd_voorstel_van_wet_4
The civic integration exam abroad is A1 level and will not change.
Civic integration once in the Netherlands will soon have to be at B1 level (was A2). See https://www.inburgeren.nl/nieuwsberichten/artikel.jsp?cid=tcm:94-105576-16
In addition to what Khunchai states: the date of January 1 is incorrect. That must be: July 1, 2021
See source: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/actueel/nieuws/2020/07/02/nieuwe-wet-inburgering-aangenomen
Thank you all very much for the info.
The IND gave us an extra 90 days, and that was until July 16, 2020.
If the departure were later due to the corona, customs in NL would not be difficult, because they know the situation. So he didn't know about Thai customs, but this gentleman from the IND made a note in the computer that I had called.
Reading this, we think it would be better to wait before getting married, and that she first just goes back to Thailand.
We are still waiting for the KLM voucher, because that is also a whole email back and forth.
We don't have just 700 euros to call the Thai embassy that will arrange her return.
I will also contact the IND again tomorrow about how I should act.
Once again thank you very much everyone.
Ruud.
The fact that you do not have 700 lying around is not sufficient for the IND. It's really not to scare you or anything, but your girlfriend should have gone home a long time ago and could. The IND makes this note for everyone. The fact is that repatriation has been very easy for over a month now. I am 90% convinced that your partner will receive an entry in her passport regarding overstay. Your reasons are, by far, not sufficient for the Marechaussee. Yes, they take special situations into account, but that was until mid-July. There is no legal reason why your girlfriend is staying illegally in Europe at the moment. Please take very good care. I hope the best for you and your girlfriend.