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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Is there work for my Thai girlfriend in the Netherlands?
Dear readers,
I have a question about my Thai girlfriend, which is already keeping her very busy.
She would therefore like to get started quickly after passing the Dutch integration course, and when she arrives in Holland. But they all want that 🙂
Just know that when you arrive, you can already register her with the municipality, she will receive a BSN number.
Only the Dutch language will not be optimal at that time. Her English is good.
Now my question is whether there are employment agencies that are at home or have understanding? And starting from Poland, it can hardly be otherwise that there are no options for this. I have never been to an employment agency myself.
Or that I can just walk into any employment agency?
I have no experience with temp agencies at all.
So here are your tips or experiences.
She would like to work in a restaurant as her first wish. Only she realizes very well that you have to do a training for this? And cleaning is second to none.
Please your response
Regards,
Geert Jan
Hi Geertjan,
It is important if you state in which part or city you live in the Netherlands, because one part of the Netherlands has more work on offer than the other part of the Netherlands.
Various Thai friends of ours, some of whom do not speak Dutch well, also work through employment agencies, such as in the flower auction in Westland, or at the vegetable auction in Barendrecht and Maasland, your girlfriend speaks English, so that should not be a problem at all. are, and the employment agencies have a lot of experience in this..
Of course you can walk into any temp agency just do it, gladly even because every temp they can send out is their earnings.
Regards and good luck finding work.
If your Thai girlfriend speaks good English, let her walk into the employment agency herself (!). State all the more independently; Patronizing will not be appreciated by the employment agency, after all, as an English speaker, she is applying for a job at international companies, among others.
Dear Soi,
I don't think it's patronizing at all, and I'm sure an employment agency will feel the same way, I know this one hundred percent because I have worked a lot with employment agencies in the past, and because of the position I hold, I employ temporary workers myself and later also helped to get a permanent job.
There is nothing wrong with this gentleman gathering information for his girlfriend and asking what the possibilities are.
Not every person is equally independent and worldly wise, it is quite a step if you want to live and work in another country.
Each of us can probably still remember his first day of school, at least I do, and I remember I really had a bad feeling then, I think this lady will come to the Netherlands with about the same feelings and will apply for a job.
This lady indicates that she would like to work, which in itself is something that I have a lot of respect for, incidentally, I do not read anywhere that she wants to work for an international company as an English speaker.
It is important that she registers with a reputable employment agency, such as Manpower, Randstad, Tempo team, there she has rights and obligations and a fair salary, so not at such a retrospective employment agency with those blaze lighters who call your cows with golden horns. promise but never deliver.
There is certainly work if you want to work! If she's not too picky, she'll find a job. When she starts working in production, it doesn't matter at all that she doesn't speak Dutch. Tell your friends and acquaintances that your girlfriend is looking for a job, what you need is a 'bridge'.
My wife had not even been in the Netherlands for half a year when she was offered a job at the company where I work. We needed people and my employer suggested we give her a chance. She did not speak Dutch at all at that time.
She currently has a permanent job! You also need a bit of luck… Good luck!
Regards,
Bangkokian
Production work, cleaning,…… Plenty of work!
My wife started working after two months.
Now even has a permanent contract.
But don't think she can get a top job right away.
She herself might think otherwise! 😉
Quite difficult, there is hardly any work for Dutch speaking people.
What is a gap in the market, working as an interpreter .. (There is really not 1 good Thai interpreter here!) But then she will have to master the Dutch language.
Times have changed somewhat, but my wife, who did not speak Dutch, started work 9 weeks after arriving in Belgium. She couldn't go any faster, because she needed a work permit.
She worked on an interim basis at the same company for two and a half years before she got a permanent contract. She started there in May 1990 as an interim, and has been employed there since 1993. With the same employer. On January 1, she will have been employed for 21 years. With a bit of luck she can continue working there until her (early) retirement.
BTW, in the Philippines she had just finished a 10 year career in the same company before traveling to Belgium.
Moral: so it is possible.
Just make sure she doesn't end up in a cold or draughty work environment. My wife was offered a job in 1990 in a frozen vegetable processing company. I advised her against this.
Anecdote : sometimes her two student workers are assigned to work on the same machine. Sometimes a student will ask at the start of work whether she will succeed with the settings of the machine. My wife just says she will do her best. After a few hours, the job student comes to the conclusion that my wife has full control of the machine. Then the question often arises: “Have you been working here for a while?” When my wife then says in her subdued way that she has worked there for 20 years, the student worker is left with disbelief. Job students who return like to work together with their wife. They know that they have to work hard, but that there is time for a joke and a conversation.
Moderator: You are chatting. Please respond to reader questions only.
Hello
We are not in 1990 when there was enough work here, now we have 800.000 unemployed.
My Thai sister-in-law has been at home for 1.1/2 years, she worked in childcare. Due to her poor Dutch, she was the first to fly out and is no longer available.
Can only work as a cleaning lady for a few hours a week.
So don't forget it for the next few years
Moderator: Only serious comments please.
Does she have experience in the hospitality industry? Then there is plenty of work for her.
Hi geertjan if your wife has done integration in Thailand then she still has to do integration in the Netherlands takes a year you have to pay yourself very expensive an expired identity card at the IND costs 300 euros after a year a new card 800 euros she can between work and school greetings Harry
If she comes to the Netherlands, I don't think she will immediately receive a BSN number.
I will only receive you if you are naturalised, or if you have a work permit and apply for a citizen service number yourself from the tax authorities.
Whether there is work depends on the region where you live.
Is her English really good, or does she speak the famous Thanglish?
Poles have 3 dashes ahead of Thai people:
Often several are working at the same time, if they do not understand it, they can consult.
Many Poles speak German. Dutch resembles German. Many Poles understand Dutch when it is spoken slowly.
They are used to the temperatures, which is useful when the work is outside.
That information is incorrect. My wife received a BSN when all papers were in order. You do not have to be naturalized for this and you do not have to apply for it yourself at the tax authorities.
Hello
Thanks for the responses!!!
As a short response
Finding work for my Thai girlfriend is then in Eindhoven
I always like to inquire about things,
which are also new to me.
My Thai girlfriend is also moving to a new country. She also likes to work.
Farang tingtong ((thanks))
And Harry
I am now curious about the costs for this integration course, so I have forwarded the question to an expert in this field.
My Thai girlfriend wants to work and has
asked for information.
And this is also new to me.
I myself have a permanent job.
If she has a Residence Visa for 1 year with MVV, she will receive a BSN number (otherwise no MVV visa)
Can work with that (wait for the pass)
Job offer depends on the regions, but as long as she does not speak comprehensible Dutch, it is difficult (my wife and her friends are an example here, are academically trained and speak reasonable Dutch after 3 to 7 years).
You also have the problem that Nuffic has to value the diploma/s. This also makes things easier once this is done.
Work for example as a chambermaid, waitress in a Thai restaurant (my wife and all her friends), production work (packing etc) is possible.
At the moment, the jobs are not for bragging rights in the Netherlands. Depending on where you live, you can also try it in Belgium and/or Germany. Depends on the distance.
@ Rori: A good summary indeed. Since 1 July 2013, the Netherlands has combined the TEV (Access & Residence) procedure, whereby the MVV (the authorization for temporary stay, or the Schengen D type entry visa”) and VVR (the regular residence permit) have been merged into 1 procedure. The VVR pass should be ready shortly after arrival. Registration in the municipality should also be possible within a few days of arrival (is even mandatory), depending on how fast the official moles run, you can therefore have all papers etc. completed within a few days to a few weeks. Including of course the BSN number. The residence permit will also start immediately from the day of arrival, so you should be able to start work almost immediately.
The practical problem is of course finding a job, but this depends on all kinds of factors: education, experience, language proficiency in English or the Netherlands, etc. The region where you apply, the accessibility of the work (can you cycle there? walk? with public transport? or with someone in the car?*) etc. My girlfriend and I spent months looking for work, did all kinds of applications from chambermaid to catering, shop service, cleaning, etc. Unfortunately, hardly any production work - without heavy physical strain - here where we live in the Randstad. We were often told or the vacancy stated that they were looking for people who have a good command of Dutch, yes also in the cleaning industry. The level A1 plus, so a little more than what you need to complete the exam at the embassy, that wasn't enough anywhere. I guess her English is at level A2+, but we couldn't handle that either. The employment agencies here had hardly any vacancies at all, let alone for people with a language barrier and no Dutch papers. But in your region you may of course find that they can help you, so have a look around at the employment agencies in Eindhoven. My girlfriend eventually started doing voluntary work in the area first, this as a distraction and good for her resume because you don't want to have a huge amount of unemployment on your resume. A few months later we found a job in the cleaning industry. Where we didn't look was at Thai restaurants because that was the only place where my girlfriend really did NOT want to work.
Indeed, also take the integration into account, you have to go after this yourself, the government only wants the immigrant to pass at least the integration exam (A3 level) or the higher NT2 state exams (respectively B2 and B1 level Dutch) within 2 years. After arrival in the Netherlands, first arrange the VVR pass, the registration in the municipality and the TBC long photo. The latter is possible at the GGD, usually free of charge, but some GGDs charge money, so it may be cheaper to travel to another GGD. Also find out something for integration via http://www.inburgeren.nl . If you already have a plan of action about where and when she can take Dutch lessons, you can also see how this coincides with a job. Of course also take your time after she has arrived to enjoy each other together (short holiday? Does she know the area? Have you visited other places in the Netherlands?). After a few weeks, boredom quickly sets in, so some social contacts with Dutch people, Thai people and other people (fellow migrants at school) are a nice distraction.
For more information about arrival in the Netherlands, see also the well-known site Foreign Partner Foundation. Lots of general useful information about immigration and holidays to the Netherlands. Here the sub forum with info about what to do after arrival
http://www.buitenlandsepartner.nl/forumdisplay.php?12-Starterskit-Nieuw-in-Nederland
I wish you good luck, hopefully it will be all right and she will quickly find her way with a job, nice classmates and other social contacts, but if things go wrong you will be looking for a simple job for months. We experienced the necessary stress, in Thailand my girlfriend had a nice full-time job and for Thai standards a pretty reasonable salary and bachelor's paper, then she fell into a hole here, sitting at home will break you down after a few weeks of vacation. With perseverance you will get there and a good preparation is half the work! 🙂
@Rob
Recognize many if not all of your comments.
My wife has completed two master's degrees. In Thailand she was the little lady. Her parents did not require her to work. Have it well done. My wife can and could do whatever she wanted in Thailand and had no compulsion behind anything. Many of her colleagues worked a normal schedule from 8.30:16.00 am to XNUMX:XNUMX pm and then they earned extra by giving extra lessons, etc.
If my wife wasn't outside the gate of the school at 16.01, she would have been much too late.
Matters that play a role in the Netherlands are: the language, the education, the evaluation of the diplomas, etc.
What was and is really tough is the “GAT” someone ends up in in the Netherlands. In addition to missing the family, the food, the Thai smells, the "old" Thai girlfriends, the relative freedom in Thailand, the weather, being able to buy what you can, the hairdresser, the manicure, the nail shop, the taxis a starting rate from 40 baht, Robinson, Futurepark, etc.
Fortunately, we have a single mother as a neighbor of exactly her age and a Thai neighbor in the back. You will only experience the latter as a Dutchman. What a walk with pots and pans and tasting what has now been made.
oh in addition
In general, you should not expect much from temporary employment agencies.
Tempo team and Randstad take the cake here.
my girlfriend did the naturalization but immediately let her do voluntary work at primary school upon arrival.
she spent a lot of time with children and the results speak for themselves.
She doesn't have to work for me, but she likes volunteering so much that she won't stop.
if she were to apply, this is of course also a good reference
secondly the school is very happy with her help.
Hello
I find it rather cumbersome and far-fetched.
Naturalized
Also an integration course for a year in the Netherlands.
Work permit
Looks like a dairy cow country
My terak just wants to work. And not that cumbersome hassle.
I do understand that she has to integrate and that
It will be fine.
My Thai girlfriend is very good from my experience
learning Dutch.
I don't even doubt it anymore.
She wants to work against most people who don't even want to from Holland.
And my question is if you look around you there
Perhaps still people from Europe or elsewhere
Still after many years of not being established.
Thanks Bangkok for your comment.
I'm going to visit the IND next Friday after all your campaigns and will certainly visit the above designated employment agencies.
The Netherlands is also a really great country with
The exaggerated rules.
I think the integration course in Thailand is justified, but the requirements are so exaggerated.
Because I still experience that there are people in the Netherlands from abroad who still do not master the language after years.
The Dutch language is therefore not one of the make-list languages. And English is a universal language
With which you can also get things done in the Netherlands.
However, my opinion is that if you are European, you can rather demand that you master the English language as an integration requirement. if you come after the Netherlands or another Member State. Also from outside Europe
The Dutch language will not be left out.
And can a partner teach her this. Or take a course.
Mom this is an opinion
Gert Jan
The story of Rob V complements and will be correct by today's standards.
From your responses I seem to notice that you come from the Eindhoven region. (that is in NORTH Brabant and not in Holland).
Well now congratulations I now live in Veldhoven. During the integration part, my wife and I lived in Eindhoven. This is the most helpful congregation in this……… or not.
Before you send your wife on a course, I think we should meet in person and wake you up.
You don't have to visit the Randstad and Tempo team. Have done 10s for you.
Register your girlfriend, partner, wife through their sites and create a profile.
You will also be told this when you visit one of these offices Centrum, Winkelcentrum Woensel, Veldhoven. Geldrop, Best. When you walk in there you will discover it. My wife and her friends have all experienced it.
In the municipality of Eindhoven you will have to arrange and pay for the integration course yourself. Oh you get a folder with 4 or 5 addresses at the municipality where you can do it. These are bodies advised by the municipality. (Oh yes, in addition to paying MVV students, there are also “refugees” in the groups that MUST from the municipality).
In short, I think it comes down to the fact that this last group is paid by people who send their MVV candidates there.
The quality of most institutions and those advised by the municipality is low. It is even better to look for something private. The institutions recommended by the municipality can be found at http://www.eindhoven.nl/artikelen/Nederlands-leren.htm
Have the idea that the STE is good. Sitting in the old building of Omroep Brabant on the ring road in Stratum. But it also depends on where you live in Eindhoven. My wife took classes elsewhere and we visited all institutions to register first and after my wife had started somewhere, we went several times afterwards to look for another address because the institution where she followed it did not like it. (have visited all of the list).
The trick in this is that the candidate registers for a number of modules and a number of lessons. They try to teach the student 1 to 4 modules. In my wife's group I experienced that 1 student only had to pay 1 module and another 4 and all intermediate forms.
This has nothing to do with the quality of the student, but simply with the time that a student is kept busy.
The lessons consist of. 1. The picture book, 2. A number of manuals (4 pieces), 3. working on the computer. They try to sell this as separate modules when in fact it is 1 course..
The guidance was very minimal, which my wife received 2 mornings from 9 to 12 in a group of 12 people. All on a different level. The teacher has 180 minutes per student at 15 minutes.
The fact that my wife passed and also her friends is not due to the course but to herself. Is a teacher (academic) in Thailand and has done it all at home via the computer. It even goes so far that my wife received information from a Thai from Almere about how things were going in Hilversum at the same organization and with that and together with others started her own teaching group in Eindhoven.
If you don't have a place to live yet and are looking for something try Veldhoven because there is an organization that does the integration (in a different form) for 1 Euro per lesson (for coffee) or at a lady's house for two pack of cookies or so a month (4 students maximum 2 times per week).
Furthermore, the municipality of Eindhoven did not interfere in any way. Have nothing to do with it either. We ourselves have submitted several complaints about the institution, but that has had no effect (not only we, but also fellow MVV holders).
Just check the sites for what the costs are. In my opinion you have to pay the entire amount yourself now, fortunately we received a discount (75%) from DUO after successful completion.
Oh yes this is also something if you do it through one of the organizations mentioned DUO pays for the course (advance). Afterwards you will be presented with the bill and you can pay in installments. I thought my wife's course was something like 3600 euros in total. (3 modules and exams, to be paid separately). Approximately 900 Euro to be paid in monthly amounts of 26 Euro (3 years).
Short resume. If you want I can inform you privately (email or phone). The editors can give you my e-mail address
Advice: Organize an integration course yourself (is much faster) and is cheaper. Also check the DUO sites for the examination schedule.
Work: Through the thai circle of friends, my wife and 3 of her friends have work and income. Other organs read the other messages.
Finally, search in youtube for Holland versus the Netherlands. Also good for your partner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_IUPInEuc
Do you learn, among other things. The Netherlands borders the North Sea, Belgium, Germany and France. In the Netherlands you can officially pay with the US$ and the Euro. And the Netherlands consists of 13 provinces and 6 territories.
Oh yes and Holland is among others. in Montana.
Just checked the links of the so-called providers. What strikes me is that most do not give you a price indication per block or course part.
Was (un)pleasantly surprised
Latest info
Just read that you can still choose to take the exam in the old way until December 31.
Then there will be another arrangement. SO quickly decide what to do
Hello 🙂
Thanks again for the information already
I'm not very happy about it.
Integration course of +- 3600€ Whether or not??
I can't help but adjust the exam. And that was already known to me. Ma this is not final yet.
She must first complete the integration course in Bangkok.
That things are going badly in the field of work in the Netherlands
Is a fact. Yes in 1990 times were better.
Do not get me wrong.
I would do anything for my Sami, but the government can exaggerate with the rules.
I understand the whole integration concept.
So far I don't know what it means. Modules sister and modules that.
Why you should learn unnecessary modules
Finding work in the Netherlands/Eindhoven is more important to her. The integration course itself is not a problem, it comes naturally.
My only concern now is to find work together when the time comes. In any aspect.
I can hope if she can come after Holland
with a residence permit and after registering with my municipality of Eindhoven, she will receive a BSN number.
And then come to work via a work permit.
I'll take a good look at the responses from this one.
I am definitely someone who definitely wants to be and be well informed.
Hence my question 🙂
I will also visit IND this week
And thank you very much for all the responses.
Gert Jan,
It hasn't gotten any easier but you just have to let it come to you. First successfully complete the exam in Bangkok and then look further. This also applies to a job, don't expect too much from it in this time of crisis. Maybe volunteer first?
My wife spent almost € 4000 for the course and exams. I should add that she did day at a certified school.
Bangkokian
Bangkokian
My wife and her friends also went to a certified school.
This afternoon I conducted the situation with my knowledge.
You only have to go to a certified institute if you want to pay via DUO.
It's about passing the exam. Through private lessons you lose 900 Euro and learn much more from it.
You can also go to a certified institute without the intervention of DUO. The reason we chose this is that we just wanted a good school. We paid for everything out of our own pocket, so without a loan or intervention from DUO. She also had private lessons, but then at an institution that appears on DUO's 'list'.
(Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying non-certified schools are bad or less, but I just wanted to make sure)
Gert Jan
Here is some additional information:
You have various modules on language and citizenship, language and preparation for the Netherlands, society and work. In addition, my wife had to make a portfolio with assignments.
The portfolio includes assignments such as taking out an insurance policy, registering with the employment office (UWV), visiting the dentist, a job interview. Opening a bank account etc. There are about 21 assignments. But whether the latter is still necessary is the question.
.
Here's the price link http://www.itomtaal.nl/prijzen-inburgeringscursus-2/
My wife had to do 3 modules and it took less than 1 year + costs for exam.
The 3600 is not correct was less in total. but it gives an idea.
If you want your wife to study somewhere, the best tip is STE. These provide the best care. Many larger companies in the region also have their people study here. So it is also good for building a network
Are you already in Eindhoven?
To find work you need a network, please believe me. You won't get anywhere without a wheelbarrow.
Even as a cleaning lady, the requirement is that you must be able to speak Dutch.
Rori,
Collecting portfolios only had to be done with the old exam, which is (fortunately) no longer the case with the new exam.
You can only choose the old exam this month, so Geert Jan will only have to deal with the new exam.
Bangkokian
Hello 😉
Yes, I can do it on my own
let it come off.
I'm wiser from all the responses, myself
become. And talked to her about it.
This is also new for me.
My employer can use the wheelbarrow in this one
mean.
From an email after editing to get in touch.
As expected, this request was not honored.
So I have created an email for temporary use.
[email protected]
I just don't know if this (email address) is shown.
Yes, I will make the best choice from all the information
going to make.
And in definitely wants a certified choice.
And only what is necessary.
I also have a counselor from a municipal agency and verify everything with him.
Ma first takes the integration test in Bangkok
I have no doubts at all that they fail this test
would get. Or that she would not be able to make it in the Netherlands.
Only she wants to work in cleaning so badly
And with the course in the Netherlands, this is still possible for a few hours in the first year.
And I'll do my very best to get a wheelbarrow
to find. Or appeal to number of people. Ma my legislator may also mean something in this.
Greetings Geertjan.
Bad communication
My Thai girlfriend got me one
time limit promised.
She didn't want to wait longer than a year.
Or after her three-month stay
in the Netherlands did not want to
possibly another year to wait
until she can make the switch.
I was firmly convinced.
that she would have no problem learning the Dutch language.
She was dreading taking the integration course in the Netherlands. and finding work.
Or maybe something else was going on.
That is no longer my or her concern.
So I ended the relationship myself because
I don't want uncertainty.
And certainly don't want to invest money in uncertainty.
I also want to let you know that you can and may find work with a residence permit. Because it comes with the permit.
You do not need to apply for a work permit.
Also no € 300 first year and € 800 every following year. These are ghost stories.
Yes, it is difficult that you do not yet speak the Dutch language
Totally speaks to finding work.
I went to the IND for something else, but I asked the question anyway.
I hope there are still people besides me
who have something to do with this.
Also beware of private lessons. Because there are people who exploit this. And therefore definitely go through a certified designated body.
Greetings Geertjan
Very good and brave of you to break off the relationship. I don't think she had the intention to come to the Netherlands at all if I read your story like this.
It says enough if she is going to set a time limit, not a good sign.
After some private e-mail between Geert-jan and me, 1 comment on his e-mail
You can apply for the integration exam at DUO. You pay this separately.
You can, so to speak, request the exam as long as you pay.
How and where you get the knowledge from is not a problem.
You can take out a LOAN with DUO for the (advance) financing of the course. You can repay this in a period of 3 years. If you use this, you must approach a certified institute.
In Eindhoven there is a voluntary organization (language students Fontys) who give lessons twice a week at 2 euro per lesson.
In Veldhoven the same (up to 3 times a week) with a number of former teachers who also do this.
These organizations are themselves sponsored by the municipality.
What matters is that you pass the exam at the end.
Sorry to hear that Gertjan. Of course I don't know you and her personally, so it remains total guesswork what the reason for that "impatience" is. A year goes by in no time, but within that year your (ex) girlfriend can still pass Dutch at A1 level for the exam at the embassy. It may remain a problem whether the Dutch partner (in this case you) can meet the income requirements of the IND within 1 year. I can imagine that as a partner you want security, you and them. Apparently she didn't get enough assurance from you. Whether that is right or not… who knows. You have done your best and hopefully fellow readers have also become a bit wiser. Good luck/success and follow your heart!
Good thing you're awake. and immediately put a point behind it…