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Home » Reader question » Reader Question: I am enrolled in my wife's original blue también Job
Dear readers,
I have been living in Thailand with my Thai wife for more than 11 years now. We live in a place in the middle of Thailand. It is definitely not a tourist destination.
Because I had deregistered in the Netherlands 11 years ago and my house in the Netherlands (which had been rented out all this time) was recently sold, I wanted to register in Thailand. I was aware that you could be registered as a foreigner in the so-called yellow también Baan. After having arranged and translated all the papers, I went to the town hall with my wife. Before the registration was a fact, my stay was investigated by both the police and the Kamnang of my place of residence.
To my surprise, I was enrolled in my wife's original blue también track. My questions are: Has anyone received a registration like this before, and if so, does it have advantages or disadvantages?
Can I now just consider myself a resident of Thailand? That would feel good.
Does that also affect my 90-day report to immigration?
Regards,
Jan
Registration in the blue Tabien track book is normally only for Thais. Foreigners is yellow.
It sometimes happens that a foreigner is entered in the blue book, but this is usually in pencil, not printed. However, this is normally not provided. I don't think it's actually allowed, but well...
Whatever you are registered in, blue or yellow, it only concerns an address registration at a town hall and does not give you any right of residence.
So don't forget to make your 90-day notifications and request annual extensions.
You also have no more or fewer rights of residence than someone who does not even have a yellow book at all.
This address registration is also not mandatory for a non-immigrant (which you are).
You only need to report a place of residence to immigration, no proof of address registration.
If you want to be considered an official resident of Thailand, you must become a “Permanent Resident”, but this requires more than being registered in an address book.
Being in a booklet, whether blue or yellow in color, does have its practical use. It has the advantage that it allows you to prove your address to authorities that request proof of address. You do not have to obtain a 'Residence Certificate' at immigration. A copy of that yellow or blue tabien web is then sufficient.
You can also get the pink ID card for foreigners with it. That card does not grant any right of residence, but it also has its practical advantages at attractions or the like. This is usually accepted and you then pay the same amount as a Thai for entrance.
Ronny
Thank you for your response. I'm already afraid that nothing will change for me. I will continue to join / report by mail every 90 days. No trouble for me.
Ronny I now read that you can also become a resident of Thailand, my interest has been aroused
I have been deregistered from the Netherlands and am actually stateless as I understand it
How can you ensure that you become a resident of Thailand
Yes by becoming Permanent Residence.
Every year 100 places per nationality are opened for this purpose.
It is not cheap, and there are conditions such as knowing the Thai language.
It is also only reserved for certain categories.
“Retired” is not normally included but can be assessed “Case by Case”
You'll have to read the details yourself.
http://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/base.php?page=residence
The call for 2016 has been out for a while now
Applying for a resident's visa in Thailand
Notification of Immigration Bureau
Admission of application for residential permit in the year BE 2559(2016)
According to the notification from Minister of interior, by approval of the cabinet, issued on August, 23, BE 2559 (2016) regarding quota of aliens to have residence in the Kingdom, for the year 2016 the following stipulations are applied.
1. 100 persons of each nationality, Colony or colonies of each country shall be considered as one country while each Sovereign state shall be considered as one country, 50 persons for stateless people.
2. The application can be submitted on the date September 1, 2016 – December 30, 2016 during office hours.
3. Place to submit the application:
In Bangkok:
contact at Sub-division 1 ,Immigration Division 1, The Government Complex Commemorating His Majesty The Kings 80th Birthday Anniversary,5th December, BE 2550 (2007), Building B, 2 Floor, Counter D, 120 Moo 3, Chaengwattana Road, Thungsonghong Sub -District, Bangkok 10210
In other regions : contact at local or near by Immigration Office/Checkpoint,
I don't think you are "stateless" by the way.
The meaning of “Stateless”” means; “a person who is not considered a national of any state, under its law.”
It is not because you have been deregistered that the Netherlands no longer considers you a Dutch citizen, I think.
Otherwise you would not be able to obtain a passport.
About the stateless.
You lose your Dutch nationality if you live outside the Netherlands, and are therefore deregistered from the Netherlands, and do not apply for a new passport within 10 years.
And an addition to this; I have a daughter who is now 2 years old in Thailand and have also arranged Dutch nationality for her and therefore also a corresponding passport: for children, however, this is first valid for 5 years. This is in connection with the photo that no longer seems real after a few years. And here too, renew on time, otherwise the child will lose Dutch nationality. Of course, only if the child is not registered in the Netherlands.
And if you do not, in this case, apply for a Dutch passport in those 10 years, you cannot obtain a residence permit in another country... So you cannot stay in Thailand or any other country, so... where are you going in those 10 years? year ?
Ger, for the sake of clarity, you do not lose your Dutch Nationality if you are deregistered in the Netherlands and your Dutch nationality is your only nationality.
If you have dual nationality, you can lose your Dutch citizenship if you do not renew your passport every 10 years.
Agree?
Nico B
As far as I know, you only lose Dutch nationality if you live outside the Netherlands for 10 years and do not apply for (read: have obtained) a new passport within 10 years AND have dual nationality. So if you only have Dutch nationality, you will not lose it even after 10 years of living abroad.
You can also apply for a certificate of Dutch nationality at the Dutch Embassy to prevent the loss of your Dutch nationality.
Separate rules apply to a child, see the website of the Dutch Embassy for the current situation.
Nico B
Below are the links where it is described when someone loses his or her nationality (and is or can become stateless):
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/nederlandse-nationaliteit/inhoud/nederlandse-nationaliteit-verliezen
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/nederlandse-nationaliteit/inhoud/staatloosheid
http://diplomatie.belgium.be/nl/Diensten/Diensten_in_het_buitenland/Belgische_nationaliteit/Verlies_behoud_en_herkrijging/Verlies
A correction is in order here: this loss of Dutch citizenship does NOT apply to minors under the age of 18. The 10 year rule does not apply to them.
You are not stateless, but you are considered and treated as a non-resident of the Netherlands. If you go back, you must first, I thought, be registered for six months and live at the same address in order to be recognized as a full Dutch citizen again with all the rights that go with it.
I think there is sometimes a difference between yellow and blue tambien track.
We own a condo in Jomtien in farang name, but both are not Thai.
When we registered at the town hall in Pattaya, we received a blue tambien job just like our Dutch neighbor.
Greetings, Joop
Of course there is a difference between a blue and a yellow Tabien Baan.
Each condo is an address in itself and so a blue Tabien Baan belongs to it.
Whoever owns it, Thai or foreigner, because that blue Tabien job belongs to that condo.
Normally, however, your name will not be registered there because you are a foreigner.
As a Thai, your name would come in there.
That is why the yellow Tabien Baan was invented. As a foreigner you can get a yellow Tabien Baan on top of that blue and your name will be registered there.
At least that's how it should be.
A Tabien Baan only proves an address. It doesn't prove anything else, not even that you are an owner.
I don't need a book. My address is on my DL and I use it everywhere. bank as well as immigration and more.
Am I saying that you need a booklet?
What Ronny writes here is, as usual, 100% correct. The yellow or blue booklet proves NOTHING about being “owner”. The only thing that provides proof of ownership in Thailand is the "chanot". You can best compare this with the notarial deed in Belgium. (and probably also in the Netherlands)
Foreign “owners” of a condo should check who owns the chanot of the entire territory on which the condo is located and whose name is on that chanot. It will come as an unpleasant surprise to many.