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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Who in Hua Hin has already received an M form from the tax authorities?
Reader question: Who in Hua Hin has already received an M form from the tax authorities?
Dear readers,
Hello everyone and specially those who live in Hua Hin, is there anyone who has already received an M form from the Dutch tax authorities? Mail delivery in Hua Hin is abysmal I don't know if that is also the case in other places in Thailand, but sometimes I have to go to the post office a few times to ask where my mail is and then after a long search I sometimes manage to find a mail item for to dive me.
I have the impression that the postmen are just waiting until they have collected enough mail to deliver it in the area. Once I even had to wait 6 weeks.
Greetings.
Linda
My tax return form was sent by the tax authorities at the beginning of March.
Travel time usually 2 to 4 weeks.
An annual overview of the ABNAMRO from January, however, took 2 months.
Submit a written complaint to the regional head. Motivated and preferably in Thai. Showing the envelope showing the six weeks of waiting. That works wonders, especially when you get support from others in their letters.
I haven't lost anything in 15 years and I certainly don't live in the city. Everything comes on time, except when the messenger is sick and then I miss something and go ask. In Thai. In the outlying areas, not every messenger knows the way (if that road already has a name….)
Hello Erik, thank you for your response. I think that the fact that you do not live in a city with 100.000 inhabitants with only 1 post office that has to deliver mail for tens of thousands of people will give you better mail delivery in your case. I went a few times to see how they sort the mail here in HH and you don't want to know what an indescribable mess it is in the mail sorting department. It looked like a bomb had exploded, everything was mixed up, boxes of mail on the floor, mail pieces and packages on the floor, nothing efficient and tidy, so this way of working guarantees that mail will be lost or only found again after weeks among all kinds of junk on the tables and on the floor.
You're lucky.
Regards Linda
Linda, is right here. I live in Sattahip and it's the same there, big mess and just like you describe it. I have also lost mail countless times or it was not delivered. Especially the life certificates from SVB and Pensioenfonds, hit every year. I then figured out, years ago, how it works. The mail arrives at Swampy and then goes to the Main Post Office in Bangkok. There it is sorted by province, Chonburi for me, and then goes to Si Racha Postal Service (where most of it disappears, gone). There the mail is sorted by zip code which is the same for everyone in your village or city. The mail for Sattahip is then taken to Sattahip post office via a regular bus, where it is then sorted by address. If there is a stand-in for the regular postman and he cannot find the address, he throws the letters in the first garbage can. So much for the Thai postal service.
Exactly Theo works that way here in LOS the Thais still have to learn a lot in many areas, but unfortunately they think they can do everything better themselves and they don't want to accept much or anything from foreigners (indoctrination and culture/ loss of face and not against -constructive- criticism can) but I don't let myself get stressed but I have to admit sometimes it is frustrating and this is not only the case with authorities but also within someone's relationship with a THAI.
So take care and keep cool. GR. Linda
Well, then I'm a lucky bastard! But you are right, order is often hard to find.
Incidentally, we have experienced here that Western people with a PO box did not always receive their mail. Cause: an older mail sorter could not read Western script, so mail was put in the wrong mailbox, and the recipient threw it in the round archive….. We take it neatly to the hatch.
Have my ballot paper and envelopes for the 2nd Chamber elections, which The Hague says on
February 21 were shipped to my address in Hua Hin, received only on March 11.
So too late to send on time via the Embassy.
So it must be due to the lousy mail delivery here.
I normally receive my mail from the Netherlands within 14 days.
Take a PO box in the post office, costs 200 Baht per year. Never, ever had any problems
It may not be a problem for you, but it is for me.
I have a POBox in Ubon Ratchathani, which by the way costs 500 THB / year, but that is certainly no guarantee that mail will arrive.
For example, I subscribe to National Geographic. Half the time that sheet doesn't arrive.
National Geographic sends it again on request and it never arrives.
I just canceled the subscription because it is of no use.
Mail from NL has never arrived at my home address in the last three years. Even local mail such as telephone bill and Internet bill are only delivered sporadically.
My Thai wife has complained several times but to no avail.
By the way, I received my ballot paper weeks ago at my POBox address. That again.
Sent to the embassy by EMS. Had a tracking number but it gives no info.
So I don't know if the ballot paper ever arrived at the Embassy.
The Thai post continues to struggle
I once asked, but then all boxes had already been issued, but I will now request another box to see if one is available.
Regards Linda
Hi Linda,
I myself live in Cha am and have not yet received the m form.
Degree
Hi Linda,
To find out if and when an invitation to file a tax return has been sent, go to http://www.belastingdienst.nl. There you log in with your DigiD, choose “My Tax and Customs Administration” and click on the “Correspondence” tab.
Also via http://www.mijnoverheid.nl can you find this information. You can also log in there with your DigiD and select the "Message box" tab. Here you can even download a possible tax return letter in PDF format.
Hello Lammert, thanks for the info, but what you are talking about is not a declaration for people living abroad that comes with an M form and you cannot download it, which is sent to your foreign postal address.
Regards Linda
Read well Linda. I am not talking about downloading a tax return, but about consulting the correspondence between you and the Tax and Customs Administration. That is another tab on the secure part of the website of the Tax and Customs Administration.
I have 5 M notes on my desk so far and 3 more are on their way from Thailand. So I do know what an M ticket is. And for all these 8 customers, the date of dispatch of the ticket is indeed stated on the website of the Tax and Customs Administration. The fact that this is not the case with you, while it has not yet been delivered to you by the post, can only indicate one thing: the Tax and Customs Administration has not yet issued you an M form. especially for customers who only receive an AOW benefit. The Tax and Customs Administration can then see that the tax credits and the deduction of social insurance premiums have been stopped in time by the SVB and will not have to file a return! The Tax and Customs Administration has even devised a separate slogan for this, namely: "We can't make it any easier for you."
Incidentally, your comment that an M ticket is issued to people “who live abroad” is very incomplete / careless. As a non-resident taxpayer, you usually have to fill in a C form. You can fill in the C form via Mijn Belastingdienst. Incidentally, there is also the possibility to request a paper C form via the Foreign Tax Information Line. This is especially intended for the digital illiterate among us. A paper C-bill was even sent to a Thai customer of mine unsolicited. He no longer has access to a working DigiD. I have therefore requested a username and password for him from the Tax and Customs Administration. I really hate paper declarations. Unfortunately, you cannot escape this with an M declaration.
The M form only applies to you if you have lived part of the year in the Netherlands and part of the year abroad. But also if you live in the Netherlands again after remigration from Thailand.
Ok Lammert thanks for your further explanation.
Regards Linda
Hi Lammert here I am again, I don't have to check MijnGovernment every time because I automatically receive a notification on my smartphone when something has been posted in my message box, regardless of whether the tax authorities, SVB or any government agency has posted a message.
Regards Linda
And you have not received a message on your smartphone and the form has not yet been delivered to you by the post? Conclusion: see my earlier post.
I have been living in Hua Hin since 2010 and have a PO Box since that year.
Works great and costs 500 baht per year.
Gr, Hua.
It often happens that a Dutch institution changes the address, e.g. because the computer system does not accept a double house number, a zip code without letters or a long street name. So always check the address of late incoming mail.
Dear Linda, We also live in Hua Hin and are always confronted with very bad mail delivery here. Sometimes nothing at all and then again a pile of mail that has been on the road for two months. At the time, we had our M form sent to a postal address in the Netherlands, who then scanned everything and forwarded it to us by e-mail. As far as tax papers are concerned, we always do this in this way and it works perfectly and you can always answer within the set deadline. We do this by e-mail to our postal address, which forwards it to Heerlen.
Why was the M form not sent by email?
That's not possible Carl. The M form is a paper declaration. That also still applies to the Gift and Inheritance Tax, although you can now download the required form and fill it in on the computer. But then you have to send these declarations by post to the tax authorities, to the office that applies to your region.
I really hope that the M form will also become available digitally and can also be sent digitally. That would save me a lot of time and aggravation (and cost the customers).